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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Oooops, I did it again..... A '76 wagon this time :)

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dianne

I just looked again. WOW, what a build. I just did my first rear quarter on a Camaro, but your welds are beautiful. Well compared to mine and the amount of welding.

That's awesome work!
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

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Pinto5.0

Quote from: bbobcat75 on November 17, 2015, 09:27:47 AM
the air shocks look like gm ones from a sedan!

They're Chrysler Cordoba I think with custom made upper mounts
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

bbobcat75

1975 mercury bobcat 2.8 auto
1975 ford pinto - drag car - 2.3l w/t5 trans - project car

Reeves1


74 PintoWagon

Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

Pinto5.0

Quote from: 72DutchWagon on October 20, 2015, 03:05:32 PM
Thanks for all the pictures, really makes a build come alive!
Also like your bench, I have one Freightliner mudflap (used, million miles approx.) hanging in the garage, haven't found any particular use for it, other then nice decoration.

I've built so many cars & barely took any pics but I made up my mind to document these cars because even I forget what I do to get them back on the road & these threads are a great reminder.

My truck has come in very handy during this build. I can honestly say I doubt I could have gotten this far without it.

I finally got to paint the fenders. I propped them up in my storage & used my trucks air compressor to lay some street rod black on them.





And hung them on the car.....



I also primed the drivers door.



Then painted it though it wasn't quite ready & could have used some more blocking to get it perfect. I'll take care of that when the other shell is ready to paint. I put the glass in & the rubber on as well as the mirror.





Hanging a straight door showed me the quarter was hung in the wrong place entirely but I'm not worried about the mess. This will get scrapped eventually once I strip all these parts back off anyhow.





I buttoned up the engine



Installed a pair of air shocks



Screwed some sheet metal inside the rotted driver side wheelwell







I mounted my subwoofer out back. The 250 watt amp tucked nicely under the seat.




'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

72DutchWagon

Thanks for all the pictures, really makes a build come alive!
Also like your bench, I have one Freightliner mudflap (used, million miles approx.) hanging in the garage, haven't found any particular use for it, other then nice decoration.

Pinto5.0

Quote from: 74 PintoWagon on October 18, 2015, 10:23:05 PM
Looks good, I'm diggin the dual axle work bench, lol.. ;D

Yeah, that truck is the perfect height & a LOT of work took place on those tires. Necessity at it's best.

Quote from: Reeves1 on October 19, 2015, 06:21:06 AM
3rd last picture - the sound (?) deadener on the floor. Is it tar backed ? Meant for this application ? Light weight ?

It's not real heavy. I think it's made for sealing ductwork but it's adhesive backed. After they half baked the floor installation on that side they sealed it up with that stuff. The bubble insulation is just spray glued over that.
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

Reeves1

3rd last picture - the sound (?) deadener on the floor. Is it tar backed ? Meant for this application ? Light weight ?

74 PintoWagon

Looks good, I'm diggin the dual axle work bench, lol.. ;D
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

Pinto5.0

A little POR15 followed by some Blackcote on the inside & bottom of the doors. All that's left is to primer & paint it & get it back on the car.



An 1/8" indentation on the body line doesn't sound like much but it takes some work to get it straight.



I got back on mechanical work because winter is coming fast in Ohio. I put new U-joints & a new T5 yoke on the Aerostar aluminum driveshaft & installed it.



Next was cutting up the stock throttle cable bracket & welding it up to work with the Weber 38/38 which pulls down rather than up like the stock carb. It works perfectly.





I cut up the stock 76 downpipe & welded it together to work with the Ranger header.



It tucks neatly into the stock location.



I built the midpipe from 2" heavy wall aluminized exhaust tubing & some mandrel bends.



And I made an over the axle pipe the same way.



It's got plenty of clearance & does not rattle.



The U clamps are temporary. My flat band clamps arrived this week to replace them.



I welded the stuck muffler hanger to the new Dymomax muffler & tucked it in the stock location.



The tail pipe is just some scrap pieces. When the other shell is ready I'll make a nice dual exhaust to finish it off.



I cut & welded the stock battery clamp for my shorter battery & bolted it in place.







I closed up the shifter hole with some sheet metal. I'll weld it up nice on the next shell but I'm not wasting time on this mess of a back half so I screwed it down.



Here's a good shot of the buckled inner structure down the drivers side. This has always been a driver but there is so much damage it made another shell mandatory.



After all that I finally took it for a spin around the storage lot & got it up to 45 mph on the entrance road.



All that's left is the stereo which I'm working on now & throwing some paint at the fenders & door & getting it ready to drive this winter.
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

Reeves1

Sort of know what you mean.

I had originally wanted to "quickly" go over the blue car, get a go fast toy on the road.

OCD kicked in.....

I think some may be surprised on how much I'm going to get into this to removed rust & strengthen the car (ie: welded seams, torque boxes, over built cage etc).

Will be a good start for the next owner, if I die of old age before getting it done  ;D

Pinto5.0

Quote from: Reeves1 on September 22, 2015, 06:59:24 AM
You are making good progress !

My next flurry of activity will likely be over the xmas break.

I'm behind where I wanted to be on this car. Since it's a driver my plan was to zip tie the body together just to get it on the road but it's so bad I can't even halfass the stupid thing. I'm just going to finish the doors, Tiger Hair what's left of the quarters, blow some cheap Street Rod satin black on it & call it a day. After I get the 80 hatch running I'm gonna bring the other wagon shell down & prep it for the parts swap ASAP.
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

Reeves1

You are making good progress !

My next flurry of activity will likely be over the xmas break.

Pinto5.0

I stripped it with wire wheels on my die grinder & my D/A sander. Blasting is the one thing my storage owner may frown upon. I can do it at home but dragging the door back & forth is a pain.
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

76hotrodpinto

Are you soda blasting? We are waiting on a whole new pressure pot system with a foot pedal to come this week. I can't wait!

Nice job making a good door out 2 crap ones. I build a lot of my cars that way. Things tend get pretty rusty before I get a hold of them. I love rust free projects too, but what do those owners do for fun?! Paint?!
1976 half hatch 2.3 turbo w/t5.

Pinto5.0

So last week I got back on my door issues. The red door is junk. There's nothing left to fix so I used my spare drivers door which has it's own rust issues but they are fixable.







I chopped out the rot & cleaned it up for welding.



Patched the holes in the doorskin.





Repaired the front corner with fresh sheetmetal.



The rear was replaced with part of the red door that wasn't completely rotted out plus some sheet steel.



Stripped the rest of the paint & it's all steel now. A few minor dings to smooth over with filler and it will be good to go plus some POR15 inside & out to keep future rust at bay.





'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

sedandelivery


bbobcat75

1975 mercury bobcat 2.8 auto
1975 ford pinto - drag car - 2.3l w/t5 trans - project car

74 PintoWagon

Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

Pinto5.0

I've always wanted to try frenching lights but this is my first attempt. I always thought Pinto markers were massive & I really like the smaller 79-80 fronts but decided to try these Ford oval shaped ones & like the look.



I found some oval LED tail lights I might try out back plus a 3rd brake light I want to recess into the hatch.
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

76hotrodpinto

Nice. I love "frenching" when it's done tastefully(insert joke here). So clean and simple.
1976 half hatch 2.3 turbo w/t5.

Pinto5.0

All painted up with new rustproof brake lines, wheel cylinders & an upgrade to 1/2" U-bolts.





Finally tackled my frenched marker lights. Welded up the stock ones.



Laid out the new location & drilled the perimeter.



Connected the dots with a pencil grinder then cleaned it up with a sanding roll.



Made a 3/8" deep ring & hand formed it to the new marker.



Welded it & cleaned it up & got a tight fit.





I fit it to the inside of the fender, tacked it then welded & ground it from the outside.





Some bodywork later



A coat of primer & it's ready for final blocking.



'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

dga57

Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

Pinto5.0

Quote from: pinto_one on September 01, 2015, 08:11:40 PM
Hope you made to hold more future pintos ,  just in case 😏

I've got another one like this that's 18x30 & a 24x24 to work in so once I get organized & sell off what I don't want I should have plenty of space for a new addition or two.
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

74 PintoWagon

Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

pinto_one

Hope you made to hold more future pintos ,  just in case 😏

76 Pinto sedan V6 , 79 pinto cruiser wagon V6 soon to be diesel or 4.0

Pinto5.0

New storage garage is finally built! Now I can get all my Pintos out of the weather.

'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

Pinto5.0

Both fenders were off different cars. The passenger side had 3 colors on it but the drivers side had 8 without ever being stripped. The paint was do thick & had chips so deep that I originally thought there was 1/8" of bondo covering the entire fender until I sanded it down. The fenders will get used on the new shell in a few years so I took the time to fix them right.

The semi makes a good work bench LOL. The storage owner is nice enough to let me park it at my unit while I work which also makes it a 600 horsepower air compressor. Now that I have the ability to weld using my generator I can do pretty much anything there which is nice because I may have this job another year & a half before switching to the terminal near my house.

I installed halogens when I bought this car & never had much problem at night but the HID's are an experiment. They're a cheap $70 set from Taiwan but the quality is better than you would expect. If they perform as well as I think then the plan is to upgrade a couple other cars down the road with a better quality version NOT made in Asia. I'm also planning to french some LED fog lights into the bumper & out back some LED tail lights will replace the stock ones.

If I don't like any of the mods I wont duplicate them when I start prepping the new wagon body down the road. This car is still going to be my winter beater for a few years & this body is a mess but I want to take it from a nasty beater & make it presentable.
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

dga57

The HID's have to be a huge improvement!  When I bought my '72 Squire and started back (about a four hour trip) from North Carolina with it, it got dark about halfway home.  I couldn't see a darned thing!  My friend Charlie was following behind me in my Lincoln MKT and whenever we were on these kinds of trips, we always kept a walkie-talkie set up for communication between us instead of fooling with cell phones.  I told him to pass me so I could follow those distinctive MKT taillights!  Between that and the light he was putting out with the HID's on the Lincoln, we made it home safely.  Other than that maiden voyage, I have not driven my Pinto at night so it has not been an issue. 


Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.