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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Oooops, I did it again..... A '76 wagon this time :)

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76hotrodpinto

Quote from: dga57 on August 30, 2015, 12:28:12 AM
Isn't it amazing what you find when you start sanding on an old car?

Amazing like a hemorrhoid?! That was awful. I like the hid swap, looks really good. And there's something very cool about the pic with the fender sitting on the semi wheel.
1976 half hatch 2.3 turbo w/t5.

dga57

Isn't it amazing what you find when you start sanding on an old car?  Looks like you're doing some really nice work restoring it!


Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

Pinto5.0

Dug out 1/2 inch of bondo, all metal & fiberglass in the drivers door & found the whole front corner was GONE!



The back was swiss cheese as well.



I cut out the rust with the plan to just patch it to get me by a few years but it's a complete mess in the middle as well.







I've got another door with 90 percent less rust so I'm just gonna use it instead.

I took a break from the body to rid myself of the rubber isolators on the rear axle & make new perches. I needed a welder so I picked up this 110 volt Lincoln mig to run off my generator. It works great.












I painted the axle & springs with gray rustoleum



I also reinforced the shock mounts top & bottom.



'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

74 PintoWagon

Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

Pinto5.0

Now that it's running I moved on to the body & paint. I always wanted to try moving my bumpers in but not all the way. I moved them back almost 2 inches which is perfect. I also got rid of the excess parts of the impact brace I didn't need.





I trimmed the rubber filler 2 inches & it came out great.





Under the red the drivers fender had 1/8" of paint. YES, 1/8" of paint, all 8 layers plus bondo. What a nightmare!





Under that mess was a 30 inch crease 1/4" deep filled with filler.



An hour of careful work with a hammer & dolly gave me a 90 percent improvement.



More dolly work got it ready for some filler, 1/16 inch versus the 1/4 inch I ground out.





A bit of primer later.....



Under the fender was this mess. Just another reason I have another shell to replace this one eventually.





I slathered everything in seam sealer & covered it in gray rustoleum paint.





'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

Pinto5.0

It sure looks pretty with everything clean & painted.





The front suspension was a nasty mess so I cleaned & painted everything. The upper control arms got swapped for a pair I had with new bushings & both ball joints are now new. 











Swapped the headlights for some HID's & installed dedicated headlight wiring that runs power direct from the battery using relays instead of running all power through the headlight switch. All the stock headlight switch does now is turn them on.









'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

pinto_one

Rule #1 with us Pinto People , you can never have enough Pintos . and Pinto5.0 is just short a few to have one for each day of the week to drive , sweet  8)
76 Pinto sedan V6 , 79 pinto cruiser wagon V6 soon to be diesel or 4.0

76hotrodpinto

Quote from: Pinto5.0 on August 27, 2015, 05:57:35 PM
It's #4 on the list after the 80 hatch then the 71 half hatch then the 72 V8 car. Most of the hard work on the 80 is done so it's mostly clean up, detailing & assembly. The 71 I just want to drive so it's gonna get a quickie assembly & I'll go crazy another day on it. The V8 car is gonna get the engine compartment & engine done to perfection & some primer on the body to make it one color so I can drive it. I'll work on it a little at a time while I'm driving it.

Woah! You're up to your "upper inseam" in these things?!
1976 half hatch 2.3 turbo w/t5.

74 PintoWagon

Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

Pinto5.0

Quote from: bbobcat75 on August 12, 2015, 10:52:40 AM
looking good - what happen with the 73 for your boy?!?!

It's #4 on the list after the 80 hatch then the 71 half hatch then the 72 V8 car. Most of the hard work on the 80 is done so it's mostly clean up, detailing & assembly. The 71 I just want to drive so it's gonna get a quickie assembly & I'll go crazy another day on it. The V8 car is gonna get the engine compartment & engine done to perfection & some primer on the body to make it one color so I can drive it. I'll work on it a little at a time while I'm driving it.
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

bbobcat75

looking good - what happen with the 73 for your boy?!?!
1975 mercury bobcat 2.8 auto
1975 ford pinto - drag car - 2.3l w/t5 trans - project car

Pinto5.0

Clutch cable is in & hooked up. I've got good freeplay & plenty of throw.



Made my transmission mount from my old F150 work for the T5. I made this box to adapt the C4 into that truck & it was perfect in the Pinto.



I didn't even need to slot the holes in the stock mount.



I'm going to do the other 2 cars the same way. I like the clean look & no welding part.





I was expecting my shifter to be farther forward than it is.



'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

dianne

Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

Pinto5.0

The loft is filling up with parts week by week. Anything I may need is finding its way there. The toughest problem with working 90 miles from home is making sure I bring every part I could possibly need since there's no running home to my garage to grab it until the weekend. So far, so good. 

I'm definitely glad I mocked up the clutch on the floor. I had a hunch the combo of a 1975 bellhousing & a 1987 flywheel & clutch was going to give me issues & I was right. I checked everything I could think of & the thickness of the flywheel was the only minor stumbling block. I have another D5 bellhousing for my 80 so now I know the fix going into that car since I have another new 87 style clutch for that car too. I could have just used the newer bellcrank bell but I had 2 of the 75's & I have 2 of the 79 D9 versions as well so why not make use of them. 

Even though this car is my DD & beater all these parts will still be transferred to the other shell when the time comes so I want to get it right now for the sake of making the body swap easy down the road.
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

74 PintoWagon

Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

Reeves1

Wish I had thought to test fork movement on the floor like you did.
I installed my engine trans, had lots of stuff hooked up. Finally hooked up the cable......OPPS !
Pivot ball not long enough ! Had a Lakewood adjustable sent from the city for the fix.

Sleeping in the loft ?  ;D

Pinto5.0

My clutch consists of a new Perfection flywheel, pressure plate & disc for an 87 Mustang. I know it's Chinese but they sell to Zoom & have a good rep so I should be in good shape.

I'm running one of my D5 direct pull bellhousings & during assembly discovered there was almost no clutch travel at the fork. I think the 75 flywheel is about 5/8" thicker than the one I'm running.



I swapped on a bellcrank bellhousing to check the travel since that's what my new flywheel was designed for. It has roughly an inch which only about half of that is needed.



I had a cracked bellcrank bell so I pulled the pivot ball out & swapped it for the 75 version since it's about 5/8" longer.



The longer pivot solved the problem & now I have 1-1/2" of travel so I installed everything with some red Loctite & buttoned it up.



I installed it Tuesday in about 15 minutes.







The 38/38 Weber looks great on there & between the NOS Duraspark, NOS distributor & the new MSD coil I have eliminated every single original piece on this car. I have a new NOS American made AC Delco fuel pump to replace the 40 year old original.

If this sucker still gets 14 mpg after all this I swear to god I'll set fire to it & burn it to the ground. 
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

74 PintoWagon

Quote from: Pinto5.0 on July 12, 2015, 10:18:25 AMI'm trying to resist making the engine compartment look pretty. I'm still gonna scrap this wagon body once the new one's ready for the parts swapping but my OCD is at least gonna force me to clean it & spray bomb some cheapo satin black.
Quick and easy and looks good, nothing wrong with that...
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

Pinto5.0

Quote from: Reeves1 on July 12, 2015, 06:15:41 AM
Busy guy !

I've been trying to find time for this for well over a year. It's about time I get my tail moving on these cars.

Quote from: 74 PintoWagon on July 12, 2015, 07:50:59 AM
Lookin good..

I'm trying to resist making the engine compartment look pretty. I'm still gonna scrap this wagon body once the new one's ready for the parts swapping but my OCD is at least gonna force me to clean it & spray bomb some cheapo satin black.
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

74 PintoWagon

Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

Reeves1


Pinto5.0

I found myself switching jobs which puts me 90 miles from home every day of the week. It's not worth the 3 hour round trip to go home daily so I rented a self storage to work on my cars while I'm sitting between runs. I built a loft for parts storage & brought everything I need including a generator for electricity.



It didn't take me long to get started. I had the old engine out by the end of the second day.



I swapped in the manual rack from the 80 after installing new boots, tie rod ends & bushings.



The 87 WC T5 is painted & ready to install along with one of my D5 direct pull bellhousings.



My truck has an air compressor so I use that to run my air tools & did some port clean up on the D-port head.



The engine is all painted up, has new gaskets, an NOS distributor, new timing belt & tensioner & should be going in next week.



At this rate I should have this car finished by mid August at the latest & can then bring the 80 hatch down & get moving on that car.
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

russosborne

In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

Pinto5.0

Quote from: russosborne on July 07, 2014, 02:15:26 AM
I must have missed something, but why do you have to cut up and scrap this body when you are ready to build the other car? Or did you switch cars in the middle of this with the one with the bad floors?

This car was hit hard in the drivers quarter at one time plus again in the front. It still drives straight but there is a lot of hidden damage, not to mention rust. The other body is clean & has never been hit but the title is MIA. I need this car for that plus the interior, dash & all wiring. I'm going to save anything else that's usable but this body is shot.

Quote from: russosborne on July 07, 2014, 02:15:26 AMI also got lost on when the run on stuff happened, it sounded like the car was running great.
Confused.  :-[ Or it could be the lack of a/c right now and being in Phoenix and frying my brain out.
Russ

It ran decent but has never gotten more than 15 mpg on it's best day. I've swapped everything on the engine trying to solve the fuel usage issues to no avail. I'm also now using water with no external leak so I'm thinking head gasket. If I have to tear into it that far I'm going to swap it out for another engine plus every new part I can replace in hopes I solve the mpg dilemma. I hate slush boxes so I'm popping one of my T5's in it while I'm at it. This is the drivetrain that will go in the other wagon shell & eventually become my daughters car so it's not just a waste of time since it has a future date with that car.
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

russosborne

I must have missed something, but why do you have to cut up and scrap this body when you are ready to build the other car? Or did you switch cars in the middle of this with the one with the bad floors?
I also got lost on when the run on stuff happened, it sounded like the car was running great.
Confused.  :-[ Or it could be the lack of a/c right now and being in Phoenix and frying my brain out.
Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

dianne

Quote from: Pinto5.0 on June 23, 2014, 09:44:52 AM
I've had it happen with ads less than 24 hours old several times. I find it hard to believe Pinto parts went just minutes after an ad hit craigs LOL

Honestly, I saw some Pinto Parts on Craigslist and when I called the fenders were already gone (I wanted one instead of doing the bodywork). He sold the seats (blue though) and almost everything else. I called the day after the ad was posted. Yeah, Pinto parts LOL  So now I check twice a day.

I think there are a lot more Pintos being fixed up and restored than we know about :D
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

74 PintoWagon

Quote from: Pinto5.0 on June 23, 2014, 09:44:52 AM
I find it hard to believe Pinto parts went just minutes after an ad hit craigs LOL
It's just luck, there's always someone out there that "can't live without it" just have to find that person, just happen that person was there, LOL..
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

Pinto5.0

Quote from: dianne on June 22, 2014, 04:21:47 PM
A lot of ads expire but people never take them down.
I've had it happen with ads less than 24 hours old several times. I find it hard to believe Pinto parts went just minutes after an ad hit craigs LOL
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

dianne

Quote from: Pinto5.0 on June 18, 2014, 06:19:24 PM

Oh OK, that one is perfect for the turbo engine. That's what I plan to use it with eventually. I get frustrated by people who list stuff on craigs & never get back to you. I've never understood that.

A lot of ads expire but people never take them down.
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

Pinto5.0

Quote from: bbobcat75 on June 18, 2014, 05:03:20 PM
Need one for the 2.3 turbo setup right now then will work on 302-351w stuff later!  Found a 302 w a c4 on Craigslist but guy will not call back! :-(

Oh OK, that one is perfect for the turbo engine. That's what I plan to use it with eventually. I get frustrated by people who list stuff on craigs & never get back to you. I've never understood that.
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze