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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Oooops, I did it again..... A '76 wagon this time :)

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bbobcat75

Need one for the 2.3 turbo setup right now then will work on 302-351w stuff later!  Found a 302 w a c4 on Craigslist but guy will not call back! :-(
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1975 ford pinto - drag car - 2.3l w/t5 trans - project car

Pinto5.0

Quote from: bbobcat75 on June 18, 2014, 03:48:02 PM
cool!! have quick question what radiator are you running in your 80 again? going to get one to put in my 75 pinto street/strip project.


thanks

It's for a Dodge Durango V6 but I think the hoses are on the wrong side for a 302. The in/outlets are also the same size as stock 2.3 hoses. If you play around with Summit's parts finder you can input hose sizes & locations & find ones that should fit. I have an aluminum Griffin 2 core (1.25" cores) for a street rod with SBF in/out locations that should cool 450 HP & it only cost me $120. I forget the exact size but it's something like 19"x21" & it fits between the framerails.
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bbobcat75

cool!! have quick question what radiator are you running in your 80 again? going to get one to put in my 75 pinto street/strip project.


thanks

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1975 ford pinto - drag car - 2.3l w/t5 trans - project car

74 PintoWagon

Quote from: Pinto5.0 on June 17, 2014, 07:26:21 PM
The shame of it is that I'll be cutting this car up & scrapping it when the other wagon body is ready to roll. Luckily I'll be using all these parts on the new one.
 
Yeah but on the positive side, you'll be using all the parts so that's good...
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

Pinto5.0

Quote from: 74 PintoWagon on June 17, 2014, 05:59:41 PM
Should be a cool deal when it's done..

The shame of it is that I'll be cutting this car up & scrapping it when the other wagon body is ready to roll. Luckily I'll be using all these parts on the new one.

Quote from: bbobcat75 on June 17, 2014, 06:48:21 PM
Are those the pedals and cable I sent ya!??

No, this car took the late pedals. I haven't looked under the dash of the other wagon to see if it takes late or early style. The set you sent me will probably end up in the 71 I'm bringing home Saturday. It's been a V8 automatic for decades but I need the brake pedal for my 73 to run a 2.0/auto. for my stepson & the 71 has to get a T5.

Quote from: pintoman1 on June 17, 2014, 07:11:36 PM
thank you! I put them in my watch list. looks good! opens up for a variety of different options in air cleaners.

No problem. They will sell just the adapter by itself if you message them. $89 sounds like a lot until you see the prices people want for adapters that wont fit the 38 & only fit the 32/36 carbs.
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PintoMan1

thank you! I put them in my watch list. looks good! opens up for a variety of different options in air cleaners.
1973 pinto runabout

bbobcat75

1975 mercury bobcat 2.8 auto
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Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

Pinto5.0

Quote from: pintoman1 on June 17, 2014, 04:18:32 PM
looks nice. may I ask as to where you got the air cleaner adaptor? thanks!

I got it from propane-kits on ebay. The opening is too big for a 36 though they claim it would fit.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/171341984916?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
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'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

PintoMan1

looks nice. may I ask as to where you got the air cleaner adaptor? thanks!
1973 pinto runabout

Pinto5.0

I have a nice polished plenum & filter I wanted to run on it so I found this billet adapter that is a perfect fit on the 38.







I'm also ditching the automatic for a T5 so I bought a new clutch kit & flywheel to go with the 87 Mustang bellhousing & T5 so I'm not guessing on throwout bearing length or flywheel to starter issues.



I put the pedals in the car a few days ago & I'll install the cable after I clean & paint the engine compartment.



I also stripped an 80 that had a tight manual steering rack & coupler so while the engine is out I'll swap out the worn power rack for the manual.

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'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

Pinto5.0

I'm getting closer to my engine/trans swap in the wagon. I picked up a rebuilt 85ish Ranger engine that is .040 over & ran great.





I'm saving the round port head for use with my buggy since I have a matching dual Weber intake that's going on it. I cleaned up the block & a D port turbo head I had on the shelf.







I need to get it assembled & painted ASAP but time is at a premium lately. I have matching D port intake for the head ready to paint.



I bought a brand new Weber 38 to replace the stock progressive. I'm tired of messing with the NOS stock carb & not getting anywhere.



In an attempt to eliminate every problem this car is giving me, especially the 14 mpg issue, I am changing EVERYTHING I can think of. Besides the new engine, head & Weber I picked up an NOS distributor, NOS Duraspark box, new MSD Blaster 2 coil, NOS Ranger header & a new 2" in/out Dynomax muffler.



'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

popbumper

Definitely want to get my hands on one of those rear spoilers. There's an antique junk yard close to here but the prices they put on ANYTHING are extraordinary. Eventually....

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

Pinto5.0

Since winter hit in early October I only use the wagon a couple days a month but between the crappy gas mileage & the pre-ignition I'm just frustrated with this car. Today I picked up a fresh 2.3 turbo shortblock with all ARP hardware, gapless rings & new bearings for $300 so as soon as we thaw out I'm gonna put my fresh 79 turbo head on this shortblock as well as my spare D6 intake, new distributor & another NOS carb I have & swap this sucker in.

I'm debating on throwing another ignition box on it as well just to eliminate every last remaining part that could be causing either the fuel mileage or run-on problems. Eventually this bottom end will get a ported head & T-3 turbo but I really need to fix the issues with this wagon so this seems like the easiest solution. 
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

74 PintoWagon

Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

oldkayaker

I am with you in that the ignition upgrades should not cause run on.  Verify that there is no voltage at the   12V coil terminal during run on.  With no voltage, I can not see how the ignition system could cause run on (the new cold plugs should eliminate them as "glow plug" sources).  If possible, try lowering the idle speed to see if it reduces run on.
Jerry J - Jupiter, Florida

Pinto5.0

OK, I've swapped in Autolite 103 plugs which are 2 heat ranges colder. I also pulled the top off the carb & swapped in all 4 jets from the factory carb which were larger in an attempt to richen it up. I still have run-on & pre-ignition with the timing backed down. This week I'm going to file the rotor tip & see if that cures it.

If it doesn't I think I may put the smaller air jets back in with the larger fuel jets & if this 5200 works like a Weber IDF it should richen the A/F ratio considerably. As a last step I'll try premium fuel but that's gonna get expensive over the long term & I'm still clueless how changing to a quality plug wire could cause me to need premium fuel.
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Pinto5.0

I changed the EGR to manifold gasket because it was leaking along the front. The new one got a light coat of Permatex on both sides to keep it sealed. I also picked up a new carb gasket because I was having doubts about the sealing ability of the 37 year old NOS gasket that came with the carb.



After all this work & swapping to the late model cap & rotor I now have pre-ignition & run-on that wasn't there before. I backed the timing down to 16 from 20 & it helped with the valve knock under load but this thing still isn't right.

Does anyone know if the increased rotor sweep(nearly 3x the stock style) is causing any of this by allowing longer spark duration from the coil?? I may have to start a thread on this one.

I also swapped out my oil pressure gauge that wouldn't read steady. Now I show 60 psi at 70 mph.

'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

74 PintoWagon

Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

Pinto5.0

I spent a few hours under the hood & the choke is now adjusted & functions correctly. Yay me! Now if it still does it in the winter I'll be thrilled. I also installed the new late model cap/rotor, plugs & MSD wires. When I pulled the old cap off I found another ruined rotor under it.

I checked the distributor for a bent shaft but it's fine. I have no explanation for how 2 different rotors got torn up in 2 different caps. All I know is the late model cap/rotor is fine & I've pulled it 2x just to make sure. I'm also carrying a spare cap/rotor in the car now JIC.

I still have a bobble & variable idle that I can't seem to eliminate so I buttoned everything up & sprayed starting fluid around the base of the carb & the idle smoothed out instantly. Apparently the EGR plate to manifold gasket is leaking. That's next weekends job. I may change the intake & valve cover gaskets while I'm digging in. At some point I have to run out of stuff to replace!!

The wagon came in handy fixing my trailer. I parked it on top of the center rail to bend them back the other way before welding the new crossmembers in place. It worked perfectly.....



I've overloaded this trailer many times over 27 years so the 5/8" sagging in the center is expected but it's gone now & it's perfectly level. As soon as it's done I can go pick up the '71 & bring it home.



One more project nearly off my TO-DO list  8)
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'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

74 PintoWagon

Yeah probably would have made a big difference, but a new one at a good price is good too..
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

Pinto5.0

I didn't soak the carb when I rebuilt it, I just tossed a kit at it & hoped for the best. I'm sure a thorough rebuild may have fixed it but the NOS carb was a bolt on & fairly cheap. Since this engine will eventually end up in my '80 I figure it was worth getting it right now.
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74 PintoWagon

Quote from: Pinto5.0 on July 28, 2013, 07:49:45 PM

It's an NOS 5200 for a '75 2.3/auto. I had to swap water choke housings but otherwise it was a perfect fit. I still can't get the choke set correctly but I'm working on it. 

I was only getting 13-15 mpg with the factory carb though it ran flawlessly. It just didn't have any response & rebuilding didn't help
Had to have been something internally wrong with it then to get that bad of mileage, didn't check the mileage on mine when I drove it home but seems like I went a heck of a long ways before the needle started moving. 
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

Pinto5.0

Quote from: 74 PintoWagon on July 28, 2013, 07:08:25 PM
Wow, 35% is quite a bit, what carb did you put on there??..

It's an NOS 5200 for a '75 2.3/auto. I had to swap water choke housings but otherwise it was a perfect fit. I still can't get the choke set correctly but I'm working on it. 

I was only getting 13-15 mpg with the factory carb though it ran flawlessly. It just didn't have any response & rebuilding didn't help
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'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

74 PintoWagon

Wow, 35% is quite a bit, what carb did you put on there??..
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

Pinto5.0

I finally went through 3/4 tank of gas with the new carb. It still needs some tweaking but 21.3 mpg with mostly around town driving isn't too shabby. That's at least a 35% increase over the stock carb & I hope it keeps up. I think with the correct adjustments it can pick up another 10% so tuning is next.

I also picked up a new cap/rotor with brass HEI style terminals & a set of MSD 8.5 mm wires for an '87 Mustang 2.3 along with a set of Denso Platinum TT plugs. I picked up a slight miss after swapping the junk cap/rotor & wires for some used ones I had lying around while I waited for the good parts to come in. Hopefully I can get to that this coming weekend.
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'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

74 PintoWagon

Nahhh not lowered and the wife don't want it lowered she likes it just the way it is(ok with me less work,lol)right now it has 175/80/13 all around but nobody here has them and want a fortune to order them, 185's would look nicer though. But I don't know wife don't want to spend a bunch of money on looks just have a nice reliable car, so I may just go with the 13's be still cheaper than buying 15" wheels and tires.
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

Pinto5.0

Quote from: 74 PintoWagon on July 15, 2013, 09:11:48 AM
Thanks, love slots I may go this route.

It's a shame they only come in 7" width but a 205/55/15 should fit the front without rubbing if you didn't lower it. A 245/50/15 would be a good match for the rear & it's an inch taller.

BTW, my rears are 185/80/13 which is why they fill the wheelwells up. My fronts are shorter & I think they're 175/70/13
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'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

74 PintoWagon

Thanks much for the info, that should be an easy change over.. 8)
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

bbobcat75

REAR END DEPENDS ON SIZE IF ITS A 8"" JUST NEED A SET OF MUSTANG FIVE LUG AXLES, FRONT JUST NEED ROTORS AND CALIPERS FROM A GRANADA 75-80.

GOOD LUCK AND TAKE CARE!
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