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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Oooops, I did it again..... A '76 wagon this time :)

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74 PintoWagon

That's even better can this be done with bolt on parts?. Thanks.
Art
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bbobcat75

IF I WAS TO GO TO 15" I WOULD UPGRADE TO FIVE LUG AT THE SAME TIME!


JUST MY 2 CENTS
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65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

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'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

74 PintoWagon

Thanks, getting hard to find 13" tires anymore was thinking maybe I could put 15's on it?..
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

Pinto5.0

Those are stock Pinto 13 inch slots on it. I forget the tire sizes but the rims are 5.5" wide
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

74 PintoWagon

I like the looks of this, what size wheels and tires you running if you don't mind me asking, I'd like to get rid of the 13's that I have now.

Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

Pinto5.0

I picked up an NOS carb for the wagon last week & decided to install it Friday since I'm tired of this cars crappy 14-17 mpg. While I was at it I decided to install the rebuilt distributor I had as a spare.



When I pulled the cap off the stock distributor I found half the rotor contact plate was gone & the button in the cap was history. These were replaced before I got the car & had maybe 5K miles on them. I'm betting this wasn't helping my mpg's any but the car was running awesome & I put 2500 miles on it this way with no clue it was bad.



The carb needs some tuning yet but it feels like I gained 50 HP in this car. Wow, what a difference going 35 mph barely touching the gas where before I was giving it 1/4 throttle with the 36 year old carb.



Now if I can get it tuned correctly it should be a pleasure to drive.
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

Pinto5.0

Quote from: Pinturbo75 on May 28, 2013, 07:23:01 PM
so how ya comin along with the  new wagon?

So far I just moved it over & covered it. That never ending winter we just got out of has me over 2 months behind on my to-do list. I did get the '77 scrapped & got the '80 in the garage & started working on it so hopefully I can get to the wagon this fall.
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

Pinturbo75

75 turbo pinto trunk, megasquirt2, 133lb injectors, bv head, precision 6265 turbo, 3" exhaust,bobs log, 8.8, t5,, subframe connectors, 65 mm tb, frontmount ic, traction bars, 255 lph walbro,
73 turbo pinto panel wagon, ms1, 85 lb inj, fmic, holset hy35, 3" exhaust, msd, bov,

Pinto5.0

I've had an issue with this car draining all the brake fluid out of the master cylinder to the rear brakes since I bought it & a left front caliper that sticks when the car sits for a couple weeks. I've never found a leaking brake line nor a leaky wheel cylinder to account for it so I assume it was the master cylinder.

I had Friday off so I installed a new master cylinder, rear wheel cylinders, rebuilt calipers, front brake pads, front hoses & all new rear brake springs. The rear brake shoes were in great shape & probably have another 20,000 miles left in them so I didn't replace them or the front rotors which looked like they were replaced less than 5K miles ago. I already re-packed the wheel bearings when I bought the car & they looked near new as well.

Wow, what a difference that made to my stopping ability. They felt fine before swapping everything but now it really feels firm. Best part is I'm no longer losing fluid. Thanks to discount codes for Advance Auto I spent just under 100 bucks(Gotta love how cheap most Pinto parts are) to completely R&R my brakes.

Next on the list is gonna be swapping upper/lower control arms since the upper bushings are pretty dry rotted. Ball joints & inner/outer tie rods as well as rack boots look great(60K mile car) but I have a full set of control arms I got off Ebay for 100 bucks that were blasted, painted & fitted with a full Speedway kit so I think I'll make time to install those before winter & get an alignment.
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

Pinto5.0

I haven't had much spare cash lately but I followed up some leads on some cheap turbo parts & combined with what I had laying around I should have everything I need for this wagon & the '80 Runabout plus enough spare parts to keep me running indefinitely.





This is the shortblock I plan to use in the wagon. It has 52K miles on it & the $100 price included the 52K mile T-3 from an 83 Turbo Coupe. The bottom end is buttoned up but until I get the head on it I stuffed the cylinders with WD-40 soaked paper towels. It seems to be keeping rust away for now.



I splurged a whopping $67 on Ebay for the front mount intercooler. It should get the job done & it fits nicely up front.



Now I just need this neverending winter to go the eff away......
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

Pinto5.0

Quote from: racer99 on December 18, 2012, 10:20:13 AM
The CABOV might suprise you.

You mean it will actually hold up? That's good news. I gotta figure out where the 2 vacuum ports connect
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

racer99


Pinto5.0

Finally snapped some pics of the turbo parts for the wagon. I have the complete bottom end from an '83 Turbo Coupe with 52,000 miles on it. I think I may re-do the hed off my '87 parts car, install a roller cam & bolt it on this engine.



I have the E6 manifold which I didn't want to run because of the blower motor clearance issue. I'm still leaning towards a center exit header by the time I'm ready to assemble this car but right now money is tight.



I have the inline intake which I wanted so I can build a box plenum down the road when I start pumping up the power. I gotta find 30# injectors & a fuel rail but that's easy stuff.



I also have the small VAM which I'll use untill I jump to bigger injectors & a bigger turbo.



I have plenty of intercooler piping, silicone connectors & clamps. It's a generic kit with 2 1/2" tubing & a blowoff valve. I got it all cheap from an abandoned project so the price was right.



It looks pretty but my assumption is that it's cheap Chinese junk that will self destruct the 1st time I bang through the gears. I guess I'm gonna find out in about a year.



I also have the stock '83 turbo but I need an exhaust housing & downpipe. I need to find a turbo shop that can assess it & let me know if it needs anything or is good to go as-is.
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

Pinto5.0

This car has turned into a major project since I got the replacement shell for it. So much for just making a nice driver out of it on the cheap.  :'(

I was planning to use the stock EFI from the '87 Stang until I found a Merkur harness cheap. Now it's getting a turbo & I think I'll install the EFI on Callisto in a year or two.



I also ordered Wheel Vintique Smoothies with a 4-bolt pattern in 14x6 & 15x7 as well as '42 Ford hubcaps & ribbed trim rings for it. This should compliment the black suede paint I decided on.



I need to get them powdercoated red but this is what I'm gonna end up with.



I love rounding up parts for a build, it lets my imagination run wild. I always wanted a street rod but it's even more impractical than my Mustang so giving my wagon the "rod" treatment should check that one off my bucket list.
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

Pinto5.0

Oh, that's you I bought the front spoiler from lol. I'm the guy who messaged you on Ebay about whether you had those missing pieces.

I paid way too much for the porthole panels because they were local & saved me 70 bucks shipping but I never owned a Cruising Wagon to know I was going to be missing pieces. My plan was to shoot them red & pop them on my wagon over a weekend. Instead I gave up & went back to my original plan.

I always wanted a true panel wagon & after talking with Pinturbo75's dad about how easily his were welded solid I'm just going that route on the '74 wagon shell.



^^Here's my replacement body^^. Mine needs quarters, doors, floor repairs & I found a few hidden issues that are probably much worse than they look. I can now whip this body into shape, get the 2.3L EFI out of my '87 Stang installed & wired & get it right while I drive mine till I'm ready to strip the last parts off it to complete the new one.



^^This is the vision of a panel I always had in my head anyhow so I may as well do it right the 1st time^^. I'm also leaning towards welding up the rear window like authentic deliveries & the Ford parts don't fit the theme.  I'll hang the porthole panels on my wall as a lesson on how to waste 175 bucks on parts I can't use unless someone out there really needs them.
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'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

TIGGER

Quote from: Pinto5.0 on October 06, 2012, 04:09:17 PM
I picked up my Cruizin' Wagon side panels friday.



I just have one question about how they mount. At the front & rear are vertical flanges with screw holes running vertically. Does something cover those once they are screwed on? Am I missing some trim pieces?

The side panels mount along the vertical flanges as well as inside along the window channels.  If you flip the panels over you should see a bunch of small holes along the inner edges.  Inside the window channels, there are some plates that are spot welded that hold the inner carpet panels on along the bottom.  Those carpet pieces should have some plastic channel pieces and clips up top.  Unfortunately I do not have any pictures of those.  On the outside there are some corner pieces needed to trim out the drip rail and some moldings that cover the vertical screw holes.  The ones on the rear are metal and are painted body color.  The moldings near the doors is grey and are rubber with a metal strip in them.  I have a set of the corner moldings if you are interested but none of the other pieces.  Here are some pictures from the wagon I used to own.








79 4cyl Wagon
73 Turbo HB
78 Cruising Wagon (sold 8/6/11)

Pinto5.0

I finally swapped wheels to rid the wagon of the "grandpa" look. Now I can drive it as-is until I whip the new wagon body into shape.



This one is already built in my head, now I gotta bring it to life in steel.
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

Pinto5.0

I picked up my Cruizin' Wagon side panels friday.



I just have one question about how they mount. At the front & rear are vertical flanges with screw holes running vertically. Does something cover those once they are screwed on? Am I missing some trim pieces?
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

Pinto5.0

I just picked these up for the wagon an hour ago down in Cincinnatti. These will be on it by Saturday since the hubcaps just aren't doing it for me.



My Neon is nearly finished & should be back on the road in 2 or 3 weeks so then I can get back to my Pinto's.........
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'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

bbobcat75

you could always sell the body to some one wanting to build a race car either drag or circle. just a thought.

good luck
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Pinto5.0

Quote from: bbobcat75 on September 09, 2012, 09:25:37 PM
i would pop in the 5.0 in the mustang and let her fly, every kid out there wants one and a easy $5,000.00 if its cleand and runs strong! just my 2 cents.
plus like you said gas prices keep climbing thats why im doing the 2.3 turbo set up in my wagon!

I took a good look at the car today & while the car is clean I will literally need a parts car to replace all the trim & interior pieces that the previous owner bought the car for. I'll end up wasting a year & a couple grand to get this car rolling & ready to sell. I'll just strip it out, sell the parts I don't need & scrap the remains.
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

bbobcat75

i would pop in the 5.0 in the mustang and let her fly, every kid out there wants one and a easy $5,000.00 if its cleand and runs strong! just my 2 cents.
plus like you said gas prices keep climbing thats why im doing the 2.3 turbo set up in my wagon!
1975 mercury bobcat 2.8 auto
1975 ford pinto - drag car - 2.3l w/t5 trans - project car

Pinto5.0

Yesterday I drove home an '87 Mustang LX that I found for $350 bucks. It has a 2.3L EFI with a T-5 trans. I wanted to do an EFI(non-turbo)/5-speed swap into this wagon down the road so I got a jump on it.

The only problem I face now is what to do with the rest of the Mustang after I strip out the drivetrain & wiring. I was planning to sell some parts off it & scrap the remains but this car is clean. I cant find any rust through & the floors are nice. I'm now debating on installing my 5.0/T-5 that was destined for my '73 & selling it for a profit.

I've been leaning towards a 2.3L turbo in the '73 with these $4.00 gas prices anyhow. Decisions, decisions, decisions....... :-\
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'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

Pinto5.0

Quote from: Bart68 on August 11, 2012, 01:09:28 AM
Very Nice Car and what a Great looking interior!
Congratulation to this Catch
Bart

Thanks Bart. The pics make the interior look 10 times better than in person but it's not bad for 36 years old. The dash pad is still soft & has a small split which I can live with but the drivers seat is worn paper thin. I haven't made a plan for this car yet other than a driver but I have some ideas in the back of my head.

I always wanted a thin bumper sedan delivery & this may be the perfect car to do that with.
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'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
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Bart68

Very Nice Car and what a Great looking interior!
Congratulation to this Catch
Bart
'75 Runabout from Munich Germany

Pinto5.0

I spent all day dodging rain drops & installed a new water pump, radiator, thermostat & upper & lower hoses. While I had the timing cover off to replace the pump I checked the timing at the belt since it was replaced before I got it & holy shizod it was off.

That sure explains my lack of power. It was off 35 degrees. I'm amazed it ran as good as it did though it really was a sled & couldn't maintain 65 mph.



I need this to be reliable so I just bought everything new. Grand total was roughly $170 which money was well spent. My engine temps went from 195 deg. in traffic to 175 deg. after idling for 45 minutes in my driveway.



Out with the old.....



and in with the new.....

BTW, the car runs great now that I solved the timing issues. I ran it to 80 mph & still had more left in her.
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

Pinto5.0

Thanks guys  8)  but the pics make it look a bit better than it does in person. The paint shines somewhat but the bodywork under it is rough. There are deep sanding marks & the whole car will need re-done at some point. It's a 20 footer but at least it's better than primer & rust. For a grand I did OK but I have a long road ahead on this car.

With the exception of both lower quarters that are loaded with patches & bondo & the drivers floorpan I can't find any rust on her. A panel wagon(no portholes) was always a future build on my to-do list & I think this is a good candidate.

It will make a good driver/parts runner for a couple years while I whip my other cars into shape. My daughter wants my Neon(48K orig miles) as her 1st car which is 6 years away but that gives me time to get this car right before it becomes my main driver. With that in mind I'm not planning anything radical for this wagon. No V8, no turbo, just a good running 2300 & since I have all the parts probably a 4-speed swap.

I put near 100 miles on it over the weekend & it ran great other than a tendency to run close to 200 degree water temps in the 90 degree heat. Someone already replaced the 36 year old hoses & belts recently bit it's still sporting the ORIGINAL radiator, water pump & thermostat.

I ordered a brand new radiator from AutoZone($115 with discounts) & a new, not rebuilt, water pump plus a thermostat from Advance($32 after discounts) & I'm hoping that's all I need to spend on her for awhile. That's on this weekends to-do list along with checking the timing since I can pull the belt cover while it's apart.

Supposedly it's got a new timing belt & I suspect the lack of power is the 36 year old carb but I wanna double check the belt while I can. My '75 wagon was a 2.3L/auto & I seem to remember it having some balls. This thing isn't getting good mileage & power is non existent & that's going to get resolved real soon. I'll rebuild the carb & see where I need to go from there if that doesn't solve it. The cat's already been removed BTW.

I'm not enthused by the interior colors but at least it's not shredded.





'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

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