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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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Alpine615

Last night I installed the front stabilizer bar and upper and lower control arms. This afternoon I'm hoping to get the rest of the front suspension installed. I also think I found a suitable replacement bolt for the steering rack. Grainger sells all sorts of industrial strength hardware, which is exactly what I wanted; and not the crap from Home Depot.
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Alpine615

Hi Bill,


Thanks for the info! I do still have your number, I will try to give you a call tomorrow.



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blink77

Steve
I just did this and looked up the paperwork
#22-200 w/1-1/4 imput shaft. Includes inner
tie rods w/ 2 or 3 mounting holes-are interchangable.
It lists for 242.99 w/ a 91.00 core charge. I paid 115.00
from a friend in the business. He didn't charge me for the
core, but I owe him the old one or one just like it. It was
one of the nicest things I've done for my 79 wagon yet.
If you need more info call me. If you don't have my #
anymore p/m me and I'll send it to you.
Bill

Alpine615

I'm toying with the idea of getting a remanufactured steering rack, as practically everything else going into my car is new or rebuilt. I'm not 100% on it though...the money is starting to dry up.  :(

So my question is: does anyone know the length of the steering rack input shaft for a 1980? RockAuto lists three types for power steering racks:

- TRW gear with 2-1/4" input shaft
- Ford gear with 2" input shaft
- Unnamed gear with 1-1/4" input shaft

I think I read that 1978 and up use the Ford CII (or C2) gear, but that only eliminates one of the above choices. I suppose I could dismantle the unit I have and measure, but I'm not sure how easy or hard it would be. If someone were able to tell me that would save me some time and frustration. Any replies are very much appreciated!

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Alpine615

Wow, it's been almost a month since my last post! I have been busy accumulating lots of parts that I need, including:

- 15" x 7" American Racing Ansen Sprint wheels with a 5 x 4.5" BC from Summit Racing
- 205/65-R15 tires from a friend's old car, just to roll the chassis around on; the engine is still a long ways from actually running
- 11" Mustang II Disc Brake Kit + SS brake lines from RJay's Speedshop
- Pinto/Mustang II control arm kit from Speedway Motors
- 45.5" Aerostar Aluminum driveshaft from local pick-n-pull + new U-joints and U-bolts from RockAuto
- Ford 8" rear with TracLoc posi and 3.25:1 gear ratio (I wanted to modify the 8.8" from the 88 TC, but time was the ultimate factor...I'll save that for my next project)
- New axle pads from ESPO Springs N Things
- New leaf springs from JC Whitney
- New shackles & hangers from CarParts.com
- Every kind of polyurethane bushing that Energy Suspension makes for the Pinto
- Rubber steering rack bushings & sleeves from RockAuto
- Help! steering coupler from AutoZone
- A front sump oil pan, oil pickup tube and various chassis and trim pieces from Fred Morgan (thanks again, Fred!)
- And finally, today I plan to order a rear disc brake kit from The Streetrod Manufacturing Company, minus the calipers and pads. For those, I'll be going to RockAuto again, as they are a bit cheaper.

Last night I tackled a problem that's been a major thorn in my side. The driver's side steering rack sleeve and bolt were absolutely frozen together; no amount of WD-40, P.Blaster, Kroil or even map gas would unstick them... So my buddy and I resorted to using a Dremel to cut up the length of the sleeve, and finally we were able to hammer the damn thing out. The threads on the bolt are horribly corroded though, and I'm not sure if it can be salvaged. This may be a stupid question, but where does one go to purchase replacement fasteners for the steering rack? I've looked through the ARP catalog, but they only appear to sell drivetrain-related fasteners...

I expect by the end of next week to have the engine and transmission mounted, all new suspension and brakes installed, and to mount those tires on my new rims. I am horrible at posting pics, but I will try to post some by the end of this week.

Cheers!
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Alpine615

I found the old pictures I was looking for...


The first is a shot of my brother (sitting on bumper) and I standing in front of the beach house my parents rented one summer...





And the second is a shot of both Pintos (the one on the left is the one my dad was T-boned in) in our driveway... I wished I knew more about cars at this point, because I would've stripped so much more off the wrecked Pinto than the shop did, that's for sure...

(EDIT: This picture is pre-salvage. We got the hood, driver's side door, rear quarter windows, rear glass, lots of mechanicals and interior pieces, etc...)


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Pinto5.0

Don't bother with NOS Ford ones. That nylon material doesn't like underhood heat & eventually crumbles. My draw thru turbo pipe cooked mine worse than yours was. The HELP parts are rubber & will hold up much better in the heat.
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

Pinturbo75

same here, help section and had to slightly modify it....
75 turbo pinto trunk, megasquirt2, 133lb injectors, bv head, precision 6265 turbo, 3" exhaust,bobs log, 8.8, t5,, subframe connectors, 65 mm tb, frontmount ic, traction bars, 255 lph walbro,
73 turbo pinto panel wagon, ms1, 85 lb inj, fmic, holset hy35, 3" exhaust, msd, bov,

Alpine615

I was wondering if the "bushing" as I was calling it was sold separately, but now I have my answer. Thanks!
1980 Runabout

Pinto5.0

That WAS your steering coupler. It's also called a rag joint. Someone on here may know the part number but it's one of those HELP packages at the parts store. They have several different bolt spacings. The ones I found on Ebay required a minor elongation of the holes but thats no big deal.
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

Alpine615

Does anyone know what the orange bushing is called that is crumbling in my hands in the picture below? I took this picture while disconnecting the steering column from the steering rack. I've searched on RockAuto and can't seem to find it, but it is apparent I will need a new one!



Edit: Added a second image.

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Pinturbo75

cool deal,,,,, youre golden then.......
75 turbo pinto trunk, megasquirt2, 133lb injectors, bv head, precision 6265 turbo, 3" exhaust,bobs log, 8.8, t5,, subframe connectors, 65 mm tb, frontmount ic, traction bars, 255 lph walbro,
73 turbo pinto panel wagon, ms1, 85 lb inj, fmic, holset hy35, 3" exhaust, msd, bov,

Alpine615

Huzzah! Thank God I took pictures!



Had to rotate the image 180, but if you were to zoom in on the pic, the piston reads 'L2500F 75MM', which when looked up on the Fed Mogul site, comes out to be a forged piston. Whew!  ::)
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Pinturbo75

me personally, im running weisco flat=tops BUT!!!! im running a standalone ecu and e85... so i have a way to tune for my setup... if youre using a stock ecu id look for a set of either diamond or cp pistons..... both are nice quality... cp is more expensive.... if youre using stock rods id just give them a call, most of their off the shelf pistons are for floating rods.....
speedpro pistons shown on summit havent been made for nearly 5 years now even though they show them on the site...... soooo.... take a look at what i suggested and figure what you can afford.... theyre gonna be near 500 with rings...
75 turbo pinto trunk, megasquirt2, 133lb injectors, bv head, precision 6265 turbo, 3" exhaust,bobs log, 8.8, t5,, subframe connectors, 65 mm tb, frontmount ic, traction bars, 255 lph walbro,
73 turbo pinto panel wagon, ms1, 85 lb inj, fmic, holset hy35, 3" exhaust, msd, bov,

Alpine615

Quote from: Pinturbo75 on June 05, 2012, 10:50:50 AM
just a quick question,,,, i re-read your initial post and you said you did a 30 over bore.... what pistons did you use?  im hoping not hypers....... they are not suitable for a turbo app... even if the machine shop said they would work they wont.....so hopefully you got some forged ones in there....

Yarghhh, that they are. Chalk it up to inexperience at age 18, I guess... ::)

I just searched quickly and found a bunch of forged pistons at Summit, but I would gladly accept advice on the best brand/vendor...
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Pinturbo75

just a quick question,,,, i re-read your initial post and you said you did a 30 over bore.... what pistons did you use?  im hoping not hypers....... they are not suitable for a turbo app... even if the machine shop said they would work they wont.....so hopefully you got some forged ones in there....
75 turbo pinto trunk, megasquirt2, 133lb injectors, bv head, precision 6265 turbo, 3" exhaust,bobs log, 8.8, t5,, subframe connectors, 65 mm tb, frontmount ic, traction bars, 255 lph walbro,
73 turbo pinto panel wagon, ms1, 85 lb inj, fmic, holset hy35, 3" exhaust, msd, bov,

r4pinto

Steve, it was great to meet you at Carlisle this past weekend. Dad & I made it back to Ohio just fine. The car is undergoing some brake work before I drive it again. Looking forward to hearing more about your car.  ;D
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

Alpine615

Thanks racer and pinturbo for your replies. Sorry for my delay in responding, but this is something I will definitely look into as it could save me a lot of $$$ over having a custom 8" rear built.

A quick update on my project:

I gave my Pinto a much needed bath about two weeks ago, and it's amazing how nicely she cleaned up. I somehow feel more motivated than ever to get to work on her, seeing her all shiny again.

I was also able to remove the strut rods by temporarily re-attaching the lower control arms and using my electric impact wrench. They appear to OK, only a minor amount of corrosion. Hopefully they'll clean up with a little bit of blasting...

...Which is why I recently purchased an air compressor and some tools so that I can blast the surface rust from some of the rear suspension hardware as well (upper and lower shock mounting plates, etc.) My intention is to get all those parts as clean as possible, and then have them powder coated. Once everything is coated, I'll swap in the new control arms, leaf springs and front & rear shocks. Polyurethane all around up front too...

-------------------------------------------------
Finally, to all of those I met at Carlisle:

Matt, it was a pleasure to meet you and your dad. I hope you made it back to Ohio safely...

Norm, it was good to see you on Friday. Although, where were you on Saturday? I didn't see you or the Boss Pinto and I returned to PCCA tent 2 or 3 times!  :)

Phil, I hope my contribution to the WWP helps, and seeing your "museum quality" Pinto was the highlight of the weekend...

To Harold, Skip and Bill, I know you aren't on the boards much, but if you read this, please know it was my absolute pleasure to meet and speak with you. I will definitely stay in touch for advice, encouragement, etc...

-Steve
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Pinturbo75

like 99 said, you dont need to cut the axle,   just cut off all the mounts for the fox body control arms and weld on some spring perches....match the pinion angle of the origonal rear end and mount it up... with mustang drum brakes even the parking brake cables work..
75 turbo pinto trunk, megasquirt2, 133lb injectors, bv head, precision 6265 turbo, 3" exhaust,bobs log, 8.8, t5,, subframe connectors, 65 mm tb, frontmount ic, traction bars, 255 lph walbro,
73 turbo pinto panel wagon, ms1, 85 lb inj, fmic, holset hy35, 3" exhaust, msd, bov,

racer99

You dont even have to cut the axle tubes.Our 71 IMSA RS Pinto
has a stock length Fox  7.5 under it. With the factory 10 holes
(15 x 7) we run a 9.5x23.5 cantaliever sidewall om them.

Alpine615

Quote from: Pinturbo75 on May 21, 2012, 08:47:50 PM
why not use the 8.8? i did in mine..... get the axles and drum brakes from a mustang, the mustang axles shorten the rear by3/4 inch each side..... either 7.5 or 8.8 the axles and brakes interchange between the two... strip the control arm mounts off it and weld on spring perches... that what i used...and im running 15x8 rims with 255-60-15s out back and they dont stick out the sides....its a good strong rear that is easy to get parts for...

Hey Pinturbo,

Where did you cut your axle housing? At the flange end or somewhere in the middle of the tubes and weld back together? It's been awhile since I've looked at my 8.8, so I'm wondering how you accounted for the axle bearings near the ends of the housing.

Also, as I mentioned earlier, I don't have the skills of equipment to cut and weld, so will any capable machine shop be able to do this for me? Or do I need to look for a speciality shop?

Thanks!
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Alpine615

So I know I still haven't posted pics of my oil pan, but I'm thinking I'd like to ask around the board and see if anyone has an extra they'd be willing to sell. I will also create a post on the Parts Wanted forum. Please contact me at snatkins5@gmail.com.

Thanks!
-Steve
1980 Runabout

75bobcatv6

im running a pioneer deh-1800 atm. i will be adding 2 8in subs in the back of the wagon in subZERO boxes =D

Alpine615

Thanks 75bobcat!

I needed that thing in high school, as the factory AM/FM radio was crap. Funny thing is, I don't own CDs anymore! I do have an Alpine "media player" in my daily driver, that I will swap over once this car is up and running again.
1980 Runabout

75bobcatv6

nice wheels man. looks good for its age. tho i love the Alpine sterio =D

Alpine615

Unfortunately, even though it's been garaged for the last 9 years, it does have a little bit of rust in the places you'd expect... along the wheel wells, the rockers, and the corners of the doors. The underbody was coated in Quaker State MetalGard (the rear quarter windows proudly display stickers) so the floor boards are clean, thankfully. I know you've dealt with rusty floors, and that does not look fun at all!

There are some minor dents on the body from the previous owner, so I was planning on having work done anyway, this will just end up adding to the cost.  :-\

However, I know it could be worse...
1980 Runabout

r4pinto

Wow that car is sharp! Perfect dash is one thing but perfect steering wheel? Nice!! You got a real gem there. No rust I take?
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

Alpine615

Thanks Dwayne!  :)

Last night I tried getting the strut rods out but found that they just spin when unattached.  ::)  Tried jamming a spare tired in between the strut and the frame, but no go. I think I'll need to temporarily attach the lower control arm, and then bolt the strut to it, to get it out. Dumb mistake, should've loosened it first before removing the rest.

And come to think of it, the first photo might have been in the 2005 calendar,not 2004. I still have it somewhere, probably in storage.

Hope everyone has a great day!
-Steve
1980 Runabout

dga57

Nice looking car!  My family had a '79 Bobcat that color back in the day.

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

Alpine615

These will have to do for now...


There are others I am thinking of and they might be on an old computer somewhere.



This image was selected for the 2004 calendar, I believe... (photo taken at Valley Forge Park)








Pulled into the garage, ready for dismantling... (notice the TC engine block on the stand wrapped in a trash bag  :P )



I don't remember the driver's seat looking that bad...



Perfect dashcap and steering wheel...



30,563.3




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