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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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D.R.Ball

So it's one of the so called rare rear ends.....Cool find and on a seperate thread show us how to install one...BTW the guy at Trucks are working on a Ford Ranger with a V-8 Mod motor and a IRS rear end...And it's for the twisty racing that this thread is about...

Grumpy

D.R.Ball

Yes, it's out of a 03 Cobra with 3.55 and a traction lock+the beefy halfshafts.
79 Pinto Hatch, Yellow w/White Pony stripes, Pony wheels, 6650 miles

slooldracer

Also recommend PRO SHOCKS company. They will custom make shock ends for lowered Pinto. I am using Corvette rear shocks, PRO SHOCKS fitted the two correct shock ends for very low price. Front shocks fit perfect on lowered racing Pinto
The older I get, the faster I was

82expghost

wheels are first, if you decide to use drop spindles, you can use stock front springs not cut, addco rear springs are normal height, landrum rear springs drop the rear of the car perfect with the drop spindles, when using the drop spindles, there will be clearance issues, i would suggest new rotors with arp wheel studs ready with wheel spacers, also your brake lines will need to be moved closer because at wheel lock you will be pulling them apart, you can run a 750 rate spring in the front, don't skimp on shocks, addcos will act like drag shocks after a while of "spirited driving" or hooning as i call it, so in my opinion go for pro stock shocks, thats the name of the company, ugly gold color
1st wheels
2nd front spindles with new rotors with arp wheel studs
3rd springs and shocks
4th adjustable upper a arms for camber adjustment if you want to make finer tuning
sway bars can go any time in the order and change all of those decrepit bushings

this is what i run, and its my daily, it works, just watch where you drive and potholes hurt
98 taurtus, now in heaven
82 exp, the race car, cancer took it away
77 pinto, weekend warrior
92 grand marquis, daily

dennll

Thanks for keeping us on topic! But the diversions have been helpful as well. Just as a teaser, I hope to have a significant update to this post mid-week. In the meantime, I'm following that the best path from stock is to upgrade suspension before engine? If I were to create a project plan that could be implemented in a modular fashion as money is available, what would be the breakdown and order? Here's a list in no particular order; feel free to break down or combine components and rearrange as necessary to make things continue to work along the way:

- rims: taller? wider? lighter? Taking into account other suspension changes (drop spindles, bigger brakes, spring/shock changes)
- tires: wider/lower profile/matched to rims obviously
- drop spindles
- sway bars
- springs (lower, or higher to counteract drop spindles?)
- shocks (any real advantages to coilovers?)
- performance leaf springs (added stiffness - but lower too?)
- what other chassis stiffeners? (do not want roll cage, want this still a street car with a tolerable ride)
- lowering overall? (covered with above components, but curious how much handling gain for lowering front/back; not looking to slam it, would almost prefer to keep it looking stock, but lower geometry of drop spindles then back up with springs or tires if there is actually a handling improvement)

Similar list for drive train separately (can do in parallel)
- Intake mods? (air filter, placement, etc.)
- Exhaust? (don't mind a new "growl", but want it still somewhat "factory", i.e. not too loud)
- flywheel?
- cams?
- pistons/rods?
- over-bore?
- crank?
- head?
- carb?
- supercharger? (would love to see this work vs. turbo; something different; see fast forward supercharger for Miata)
- rear-end size/ratio?
- driveshaft?
- 5-speed vs. 4-speed? (what performance gains, or just better for gas mileage at cruising speed? :-])

Thanks for playing!


racer99

Heres 2 more tidbits,
"When your a$$ is hung out,both feet in!!!
Translation,
If you get in over your head,1 foot on the clutch and the other on the brake.

Exit speed is king!!!
Faster out = faster at the braking point for the next  corner=
quicker lap times.

To keep this on topic,
bigger diameter bars doesnt always equal faster.
Its all about balance front to rear.
Anything to stiffen the chassis will help also.
On our old IMSA RS Pinto they used 3/4 inch square tube
welded to the back side of the pinchwelds and tied it into the
rear suspension and rollcage.

Srt

Quote from: racer99 on March 15, 2012, 03:59:18 PM
Its not the in you need to worry about, its corner exit speed you want.

After tracking the differences on a race GPS setup I finally got it.

I remember a quote from a drivers school I was at for one of my roadrace licenses.A Brumos Porsche driver
said," Slow in,fast out  fast in,spin out, you will find the arc of the infinite apex!"

i remember taking a couple of laps at riverside a (long) while back.   The ride was in a Chevy Van driven by a course instructor at a CalClub event.  All track 'virgins' were required to take a lap this way to help familiarize them with the track & the best way around (relatively speaking).

This guy took a lap around that track with one arm on the drivers side widow sill quicker than 1/2  the guys 'racing' later that day.  Your 'slow in / fast out' saying is some good advice
the only substitute for cubic inches is BOOST!!!

D.R.Ball


oldkayaker

FYI, Addco still advertises large (1" F & 7/8" R) sway bars for the Pinto and Bobcat.  Might be easier to locate than a parts V8 Mustang II.
Caution: this is a 10 MB download pdf catalog.
http://www.k2graphicservices.com/ebooks/AddcoSwayBars/document.pdf
Jerry J - Jupiter, Florida

dick1172762

Find youself a V-8 Mustang II from way up north (Canada) and  look at the front sway bar. A 1" bar was on some and was ease to fit on a Pinto.  Had one on my 72 race car, and its still on there after 37 years. By the way, if a sway bar doesn't line up with your control arms, just tie it down, stick a pipe over the end and bend it. It will bend very easy, even a 1" bar.
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

dick1172762

Look in a very old Racer Walsh catalog (mid 70's) and you will see the one he sold back then. Really simple, and easy to build, and it 100% bolt on.
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

Srt

Quote from: dick1172762 on March 13, 2012, 03:00:45 PM
You must run a panhard bar if and only if you use long shackles to place the rear spring eyes on a level plain like the GT-Pinto boys do. Otherwise you will never see a differance on any thing short of an all out race track. Been there/done that!!!!

good point. i hadn't thought of that.
the only substitute for cubic inches is BOOST!!!

bbobcat75

those wheels look almost stock on that car!!!!


1975 mercury bobcat 2.8 auto
1975 ford pinto - drag car - 2.3l w/t5 trans - project car

Grumpy

Canyon carver? Get a set of early 90s 16x7 Pony wheels, some good 205 or 215 45 16s(the later will require a spacer in the rear)tires, the best you can afford and a good set of performance shocks. It will be a go-cart. Beefing up the brakes is a good idea but then you might as well go five lug, then you need new rear axles, which means you might as well go to an 8.8 with discs.........

Or this...





Those wheels really do look good on a Pinto!

Grumpy
79 Pinto Hatch, Yellow w/White Pony stripes, Pony wheels, 6650 miles

racer99

Quote from: dennll on March 14, 2012, 06:02:14 AM
If I've got the low-end torque to get into the corner faster and back out the other side, should be fun. Thoughts?

Its not the in you need to worry about, its corner exit speed you want.

After tracking the differences on a race GPS setup I finally got it.

I remember a quote from a drivers school I was at for one of my roadrace licenses.A Brumos Porsche driver
said," Slow in,fast out  fast in,spin out, you will find the arc of the infinite apex!"

82expghost

it would be even cooler if you can get a taurus 3.0 24v bolted to the tranny, its alittle lighter and its stock 200hp, thats my route someday after im bored with th 2.3
98 taurtus, now in heaven
82 exp, the race car, cancer took it away
77 pinto, weekend warrior
92 grand marquis, daily

slooldracer

Dick is right. The 2300 has  lots of stuff available. I personally chose a 2000 for vintage racing, but if you are streeting the car, or racing SCCA or NASA choose the 2300. I am at a great disadvantage in SCCA and NASA because the 2000 and 2300 are in the same class, the stock 2300 has 40 lbs of grunt more than the 2000.
The older I get, the faster I was

dick1172762

2300 is the only way to go!!!! You can't get go fast stuff any more for the other two. Theres tons of stuff out there for the 2300.
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

dennll

That's what I like to hear! Frankly, I'm not too concerned about 0-60 as much as off the line. If I've got the low-end torque to get into the corner faster and back out the other side, should be fun. I read another thread where folks suggested the V6 might even be better due to weight distribution, if you can fix some of the performance issues with tuning. Thoughts?

82expghost

chassis and weight and where the weight is, and how deep your pockets are and resources, build wheels and go from there, doesnt feel stiff enough, change springs and so on, i think it can be done, i beat my buddys m3 all day in handling, hes running r compound WIDE wheels, raceland coilovers, huge sway bars, it will pin you to the door, my pinto will put you through the door, my only problem is my 0-60 is five days long
98 taurtus, now in heaven
82 exp, the race car, cancer took it away
77 pinto, weekend warrior
92 grand marquis, daily

dennll

And therein lies the challenge. So what does the pinto need to come close to the miata? Is there a horsepower amount that is the breakeven on performance? Or is it a suspension issue?

racer99

I second what Dick is saying.My GT3 Pinto was a killer
at the autox and did well roadracing(down on hp) without all the exotic
stuff such as a panhard bar and a coil over front end.

The thread asks best stock setup,so for a minimal outlay
I would lower the car(cut front coils and use  blocks in the rear) clamp the rear springs on the front half,13x 7 or 8 or 15x7 10 hole Mustang wheels with sticky street tires (less than 200 tw rating).The Mustang wheels would throw off the sleeper look though.
Move the battery to the right rear and get the car on a set of scales.
A PERFORMANCE alignment will go a long way to help handling but isnt
optimal for treadware.

You dont want to hear this but,the Pinto will never be on a level playing field
with the Miata.I have run GT3 with a Pinto and a RX2/RX7 and now run Spec Miata
and the Spec Miata will beat the spats off of the Pinto with less hp.The SM is also
quicker at the autox than the Pinto.

dick1172762

You must run a panhard bar if and only if you use long shackles to place the rear spring eyes on a level plain like the GT-Pinto boys do. Otherwise you will never see a differance on any thing short of an all out race track. Been there/done that!!!!
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

Srt

the panhard rod & the watts link are really best suited to a live axle non leaf spring car to limit lateral movement of the 3rd member under the chassis. 

the leaf springs will provide more than adequate lateral motion restraint in most cases.

i don't think that the trouble gone thru to apply either to a leaf sprung Pinto would be worth the gain. (if any).

that's not to mention the rather tight space available at the rear of a Pinto.

others may have a differing opinion. please chime in if you do.

just my $0.02 worth.
the only substitute for cubic inches is BOOST!!!

82expghost

most range rovers come stock with them, cut it off of the frame, pretty simple when you look at it long enough
98 taurtus, now in heaven
82 exp, the race car, cancer took it away
77 pinto, weekend warrior
92 grand marquis, daily

D.R.Ball

Try Racer Walsh.They have most of the other go fast stuff too. They do not update their web page however, best thing to to is call them with the part number. Also Speedway has some Pinto parts.

Starliner

OK, anyone installed a watts linkage system on their Pinto? 
The pivots are more complicated than a simple panhard rod.    I would guess it is best to get a kit. 
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1979 Pinto 2300 - Sold!
1984 Audi 5000 Avant - 60,000 original miles
1987 Audi 5000 S Quattro - The snowmobile
1973 Volvo 1800 ES wagon -  my project car
1976 Mustang II - Wifey's new toy

82expghost

panhard is old school, go watts linkage, unless u drive in circles then panhard bar is fine
98 taurtus, now in heaven
82 exp, the race car, cancer took it away
77 pinto, weekend warrior
92 grand marquis, daily

Starliner

Great message thread. 
Anyone here fabricated a rear panhard rod to their Pinto rear end? 
1973 Pinto 1600 - Sold!  
1979 Pinto 2300 - Sold!
1984 Audi 5000 Avant - 60,000 original miles
1987 Audi 5000 S Quattro - The snowmobile
1973 Volvo 1800 ES wagon -  my project car
1976 Mustang II - Wifey's new toy

82expghost

You could use the IRS out of a thunderchicken or a merkur, that's a lot of work for a gain not worth the hassles, the leafspring rear end is so much better in my opinion in so many ways, for instance the rear steer, and is lighter than the mustangs four link binding crap
98 taurtus, now in heaven
82 exp, the race car, cancer took it away
77 pinto, weekend warrior
92 grand marquis, daily