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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Just SHOOT ME!! Starting another Pinto project, a '73 this time :)

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Pinto5.0

Quote from: Reeves1 on July 25, 2014, 07:51:08 PM
Your OCD going to let you re-install that heater without taking it apart & Por15ing the metal parts ?  ;D
How bout the bare metal parts under the dash ?  ;D
Floor pan ?  ;D

Just trying to help , ya know ?  ;D

LOL. yeah I plan to POR the metal on the heater box. Most of the under dash is going to get sprayed with cheap black in cans since it doesn't see salt or weather.  I'm going to POR both sides of the floor pan. If it wasn't $150 a gallon I'd coat the whole car in it. It's good stuff.
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

Reeves1

Your OCD going to let you re-install that heater without taking it apart & Por15ing the metal parts ?  ;D
How bout the bare metal parts under the dash ?  ;D
Floor pan ?  ;D

Just trying to help , ya know ?  ;D

Pinto5.0

I got everything seam sealed. It looks excessive but it's only 2 tubes thinly spread over the seams. The welding & the POR 15 closed up most seams but I want this to last a lifetime.





I covered the cowl vent area because there were a dozen pinholes & some pitted steel that was close to rusting through that the blasting revealed.



I welded new metal to attach the vent & sealed both sides. It's now all covered with POR & looks amazing considering the rot under here.



The new corner is all sealed up & painted too.



The passenger vent looks great & is ready for the heater box. I'm proud of myself on this one. Considering the Swiss cheese I started with that almost doomed this car I managed to save it with some panel bonding adhesive & the rust free vent from the 79 I scrapped.



As for the heater box this car had factory A/C & the box was in bad shape. The non-A/C box from the 79 was perfect & fits perfectly after drilling 2 new holes for 2 of the studs. All other holes line up. I had no idea it was that simple.



I flushed the core & it flows great & doesn't leak. I saved a ton of cash by salvaging the newer heater box.

'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

74 PintoWagon

Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

Pinto5.0

Quote from: dianne on July 13, 2014, 12:13:10 PM
LOL, I think we all overkill :)

Looking good though!

I was just planning to toss this together as cheaply as possible. It never fails that hidden stuff turns things into a nightmare. It's turned into a full blown project before my eyes & my OCD forces me to do it right.

I got the 1st coat of POR on it. I think my fingers are gonna be black for a month. This stuff does not come off skin!





I epoxied the new vent in place. I still need to seam seal it after I'm done painting & I still need to weld in metal where the battery rusted the inner fender.





It's definitely looking better than when I started but I need to get this thing on the road.
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

dianne

Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

Pinto5.0

Got the corner welded in today. Some of my welding looks like crap but it will all be hidden anyhow.







After welding I got to blasting everything clean.







Tomorrows agenda will be POR 15 & more seam sealer. I did some areas already that had been clean from blasting.





I'm busting my tail on this one but my OCD still forces me to overkill it on every step.
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

Pinto5.0

After sandblasting the swiss cheese showed it's extent. Luckily the one from the 79 I just scrapped was perfect.



I also cut out the rust on the drivers side under the cowl. It looks better now that the rust is gone.



Cut this section from the 79 to replace it.



I still have some minor trimming but it's close. Once I get all the metal replaced I'll POR15 the heck out of it.

'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

Pinto5.0

Quote from: Reeves1 on July 06, 2014, 06:13:52 AM
Ugly Yellow has rust under the cowl, though not that bad.
I was going to use a spot weld drill bit to remove the top.

Your way may be easier..... let me know how it goes.

Drilling out the spot welds was going to be an insane amount of work for a driver so I took the easy way out. Once it's welded back in none of the areas I cut will show anyhow. It's definitely a ton of work but I can't halfass it since it will need done right in a couple years no matter what I do.
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

74 PintoWagon

Wow that sucks big time, I couldn't deal withat stuff, lol.. :o :o
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

dianne

That sucks, but sometimes you don't know what's under it or inside of it. Well, you'll get it :)
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

Reeves1

Ugly Yellow has rust under the cowl, though not that bad.
I was going to use a spot weld drill bit to remove the top.

Your way may be easier..... let me know how it goes.

Pinto5.0

I don't mind bodywork until I hit something like this.



The pinholes in the floor clued me in to a leaking vent but it turned out to be serious rust. This was a Florida car & never undercoated so a couple Ohio winters took it's toll on it.





I hated the idea of cutting the cowl off but I really had no choice. Luckily none if the areas will show when I weld it back together. I have some POR 15 & top coat on order & I'll weld in the metal from the 80 I cut apart since that vent area is clean. All the seam sealer is history too.



This car is gonna get driven & I didn't want to band aid it just to have to tear into it a couple years from now & fix it right.

'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

74 PintoWagon

Quote from: dianne on July 05, 2014, 12:11:54 PM
Now we just need to get Art to travel LOL
Well now, if I could just get the money tree to grow!!!!............. ;D
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

Pintosopher

For a Nominal per Diem , My OCD demeanor could be had for the Non mechanically inclined. However, it's not cheap and it must pay better than Futures Stock trading, No 1099 reporting will be tolerated :o

Have Wench, will unravel! :D
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

Check my Pinto Poems out...

dga57

Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

dianne

Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

dga57

Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

dianne

Looks great! I love doing the bodywork :) Hate the greasy stuff!

King Cobra gets finished today and a good start on the Spitfire :)
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

74 PintoWagon

Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

Pinto5.0

Had my stepson take most of the paint off the fenders so I could get to work knocking out the dents & dings.



Both bottoms were folded under on the fenders & there were too many dents to count. No rust on them but they were loaded with bondo from all the dents.





I spent 5 hours with a hammer & dolly getting these as straight as possible.




They look amazing considering what I started with.



This was the worst of the dents. It had 3/4" of bondo in it & was caved in all the way to the marker light. It shouldn't take more than 1/16" of filler to make it perfect now. I wish I had a before pic.



You can also see the crease where it was folded under but it's flat now & shouldn't even need filler.



'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

Pinto5.0

'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

dick1172762

Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

Pinto5.0

I haven't touched this car for 2 years & had no plans to since it wasn't going to be needed anytime soon. That changed recently when I decided to get it running & press it into service for my stepson. He needs a car &  I found a clean 72 sedan to replace this car so it's perfect for him.

I picked up a low mileage 2.0 & auto trans a few months ago that are perfect for this car.



The cover came off for the 1st time in a year & we dug in. I have him sanding the old paint off the fenders & wire wheeling the engine compartment in preparation for paint & assembly work.





I found a little rust hidden behind the drivers fender that's an easy fix but no surprises. I decided to keep the 4 wheel drum brakes so I bought a new master cylinder, 4 new wheel cylinders, new hoses, brake shoes & all new hardware for them. I also have a rebuilt rack & pinion, wheel bearings, tie rod ends & boxes of other parts to R&R this car.

I'll swap the clutch pedal into my 72 & put the auto pedal & shifter in here. I already installed the sport wheel in it. I'm hoping to have it on the road by September but there's a lot to do.



Luckily I had rounded up most of the parts for this car ahead of time. I'm not using any NOS or mint parts incase it gets banged up. Both fenders will have dent repair, both doors & quarters will have patches welded due to rust & the hood has a few pinholes underneath.

I figure this way if it gets totaled (he totaled his mom's Cobalt already) I wont blow a gasket over flawless parts being destroyed. This is all stuff I would have tossed in the scrap pile anyhow. I figure I'll have about 3K in it & I'm gonna make him carry insurance that will pay me that 3K in the event of a wreck. 
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

Pinto5.0

I stumbled into the deal of a lifetime yesterday. A guy said he had a couple of NOS Pinto bumpers in his rafters if I wanted to take a look. $100 bucks got me a pair of early rears, one with holes & one smooth.

'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

Pinto5.0

I found this set of Wilwood brakes 140-10440-BD on Summit's clearance table for $400 bucks. I really didn't need them but that was too cheap to pass up. I already had Granada rotors & a set of Wilwood calipers for this car. I think I'll use the rotors on my wagon & run the GM metric calipers I have on 'em & save the Wilwood calipers for another day.

'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

Pinto5.0

I forgot I started a thread for my '73. Now that I bought the '76 wagon I'm not as pressed to get the '80 on the road & since I'm digging into this one once Callisto is rolling I'm guessing next fall is when I'll hit this one hard.

I was at Summit today & found a Milodon 30926 oil pan on the scratch & dent table. It's for the 351W but dimensionally it's identical to the 30925 pan other than leaving room to clear the larger main caps. I figure if I use the 302 pickup with this pan I'm good to go.



Found a Ram 434 pressure plate 3 weeks ago in clearance for 40 bucks that fits my T-5 so all I need is a good 10 spline disc to go with it.



Check the glass parts off my want list & I'm getting a serious bug to put this one together.



'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

Pinto5.0

That's how I ended up with 4 Pinto's. I wanted one for a driver with a V8 & the '80 hatch was just too nice to tear up so I'm gonna keep the 2300 in her & make it my 11 year olds 1st car.

I bought the '78 coupe to put all my V8 parts on but once I dug into it I realized it made a better parts car due to the hidden rust I found. I paid $800 for it which is $300 too much but I will use or sell nearly every part of the car by the time I'm through.

I bought the '79 V8 car because it was too good of a deal to pass on but it isn't what I want & I'd be insane to change everything on the car to turn it into what I want so I'll drive it till the '73 is on the road then sell it after I make a few improvements to it.

I've seen the '73 on Craigslist for over a month but I just couldnt bring myself to buy a 4th Pinto project so I ignored it but it was an hour from my house so I just had to go see it. It's an ugly mother but it's clean & well worth the $700 I paid for it. I may even put the 2.0 & 4 speed back in it & drive it around for a while so I dont lose interest.

It's amazing how fast you end up with a fleet of cars in your driveway.
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

Reeves1

Actually, the B2 I'm getting has a Shelby two 4 intake already.

I have a dumb idea floating around my head I should build a second Pinto. I already have the 302w with T-5. I bought a set of motor mounts for a 71-73 Pinto. I had been in touch with a couple fellows that have headers (if memory serves, they were not sure what year they were for ?)
I also have a line on two 9" locker diffs.

The 302w I have has stock heads. They would need replacing.......

Pinto5.0

Quote from: Reeves1 on September 23, 2011, 09:32:00 PM
Eye candy, that intake !

Wanna part with it ?  :lol:

That wont fit a Boss anyhow  ;)  Actually I gotta get it powdercoated chrome still to go with the chrome bowls & polished scoop. I got outbid on 2 different Weiand mini-blowers & I just said "screw it" & went tunnel ram instead.
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze