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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Soundsystem tips - My how to and advice

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I had to use the spacers on my kick panel speakers because of how deep the basket is, as well as the size of the magnet. The bottom door hinge bolts protrude right where the speakers are as well. To keep the magnet from running into the door hinge bolts the spacer was necessary. Even if the bolts were trimmed it would still require the spacer because the wire access opening behind the kick panel isn't big enough for a 6.5" speaker basket.

If I wanted to use these speakers in the doors I would have to do the same thing with the spacer or it would run into the glass when the window is rolled down. However I don't find the acoustics of the car to be very desirable when the speakers are mounted in the doors. The doors are so big and hollow that it would vibrate and echo more than anything.

Dave, the size of the Pinto makes it perfect for smaller subs!

One idea my brother and I had was to turn the entire trunk into a sub enclosure, or even to put a divider at the rear deck where the deck lid hinges are, and to mount a 10 or 12" (if possible) sub on the rear deck instead of having 6x9 speakers. It would give some awesome clean and loud bass if I were to do it right with insulation to keep the sub "enclosure" isolated! I like having some cargo space, even if it is limited.


In 2001 my brother was building some custom kick panel 6 1/2" speaker enclosures out of fiberglass. The kick panel was left in one piece without any cutting with a mold formed by hand which angled 45 degrees towards the driver and/or passenger. They were sleek and would have been great to finish, but my dad threw them in the trash not knowing what they were. The only down side to that would be the lack of a floor mounted dimmer switch, but that can always be relocated! I'm considering reviving that idea of my brother's.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1957

I have a ten inch cerwin vega..pointed to the rear of my all glass hatch  awesome acoustics..had the same sub in thestinkbug but sounds better in the 79
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r4pinto

That's awesome Dave!  I wonder how the fronts would sound if I would use 4x6 speakers instead of 6 1/4s.. On the round speakers did you find that you had to use the spacer?
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dave1987

Matt (r4pinto) asked about sound system tips or advice for his Pinto. I thought this may be beneficial to others as well, so I am posting this for future reference and for all to use.


I am using my personal project log for my 78 Sedan for references for this post. It includes pictures of some things I have done to the car regarding the sound system, as well as notes and descriptions of what I did. The links are below.


This link takes you to the first post of the sound system install. It is two posts, the speakers and the deck:
http://www.fordpinto.com/your-project/restoring-my-78-sedan/msg54456/#msg54456

This link takes you to the first post of the redesigned rear deck panel. It continues to the first reply on page 3:
http://www.fordpinto.com/your-project/restoring-my-78-sedan/msg56340/#msg56340

I use 6 1/2" Pioneer model TS-G671M 4-way speakers in the kick panels. The install was pretty easy, even if I did feel somewhat guilty about cutting up the kick panels. I do have a couple spare sets in storage of other colors, so if I ever decide to go back to stock I can just paint them landau black and install them.

The kick panel speakers sound great, they really help to balance out the sound between the front and rear and fill the car with some clean balanced sound. I stick with Pioneer as the tone frequencies they are rated for seem to be less high pitched and "tin can" sounding as Sony's do.

For the rear, I actually am using a set of 6x9 Pioneers. I can't remember the exact model though. The 6x9s are a 3-way speaker pair, matched as closely as possible to the front 6 1/2s for tone frequencies, although the fronts have a slightly higher frequency range, but that is preferred since I adjust my speakers so that I hear a majority of the sound to come from the front. The rear 6x9s are more of a bass speaker than anything and used to help give more "umph" to music, as well as balance out the mid range frequencies.


For bass, I am still using the 8" Sony Xplode that I bought when I first put a sound system in the car. It came with the box it is in, and with it in the trunk, it gives a nice smooth bass tone, but can put out some punch depending on the deck adjustment for bass settings. If the amp is adjusted, it can get pretty loud in the car, but outside of the car you wouldn't guess that it sounds amazing inside!


My amp only powers the sub, all of my speakers are powered by the deck. I am using a late 90s model Rockford Fosgate 300W RMS two channel amp, of which I only use one channel. It has a nice option of a remote adjustment knob to give the sub more power. It is wired using a 4 wire phone cable. I keep it located between the kick panel and the hood release.

Currently I am using a Pioneer DEH-P3900M, which is outdated, but works well. It has 50W mosfet power to all four channels, with a coax output to the amp, and a front panel 1/8" stereo input for MP3 player/iPod input. It has the option for Sirus radio as well as an RF steering wheel remote (I don't have that yet but hope to in the future). It does have a small rectangular remote control which I find handy while driving, it eliminates the need to lean forward to adjust volume, change audio sources and change tracks or radio stations. The faceplate is also removable which I like so that no-one has any clue as to what type of stereo I have and helps as a theft deterrent.


For adjusting my speakers, I adjust the front fader slightly more than the rear, with balance to the left just ever so slightly higher than the right. For the driver, these adjustments are PERFECT, and it sounds better and much more "full" sounding than my 5.1 home theater (not a HT in a box setup!)!


So, the keys to keeping it sounding smooth and balanced, even at higher volumes, I highly recommend the following...

A deck with 50w mosfet power to all four channels (this channel power eliminates the need for an amp to power the speakers under normal listening volumes)

4-way speakers for the front if you decide not to use tweeters (I don't like tweeters, they are tacky looking and don't change the sound that much)

3-way speakers for the rear (you don't need higher pitch sounds emanating from the rear, you get plenty from 4-ways in the front)

8" or 10" sub in a small wedge enclosure powered by at least a 300W RMS amp high quality amp. Anything larger than 10" for the sub is overkill unless you are a bass fanatic and really want to rumble the car. In that case, build an enclosure to house dual 10s or 12s that sits in the back seat (I did this and it really gets LOUD!), however that eliminates your rear seating and takes away from the stock appearance. If you are like me, I like having the back seat available and a semi-stock appearance.


Note that going with cheaper and less quality components will take away from the crisp highs and mid range sounds for your speakers,  and they will most likely distort more. A cheaper less quality amp will give you muddy bass and it won't get very loud without distortion.


While my setup in my car is pretty much finished with the option to upgrade later, I still want to cover the particle board spacer rings (for the front 6.5 speakers) with bondo or fiberglass, as they are starting to deteriorate and look pretty cheaply done. Bondo or fiberglass will give it a smoother appearance and match the speaker grill much better.

Also my rear deck is re-made of particle board and I want to coat it with a lacquer, or even with black vinyl to give a smoother/sleeker appearance that looks more classic. Covering with carpet as it was stock just seems tacky, and carpet on the rear deck will fade over time unless you cover the rear windows with sunshades when the car is outdoors during the summer. And who wants to wedge a vacuum hose into that small space anyway
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!