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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Camping At Carlisle?

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Cookieboystoys

Quote from: phils toys on March 02, 2011, 06:48:40 PM
http://s195.photobucket.com/albums/z206/Philstoys/carlisle2010/?action=view&current=PICT0246.jpg
close up of camp site

Thanks! for the great pictures Phil and all your info! Just what I was hoping for when I started this thread  ;D
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

Cookieboystoys

Quote from: blupinto on March 02, 2011, 06:32:36 PM
Sorry Brian... the way you worded the previous response sounded (to me) like I was being criticized for not just paying for the camping, since I already dropped $50 for the other stuff. I get what you meant now. Again, sorry. :embarassed:

No problem Becky, I would never ride you about your financial situation. I know to many others that have it much worse than you, out of work for years, losing benifits at work as well as hours, friends that have lost long standing businesses and their own houses, it's a sad state of affairs that so many have right now and I do feel their pains as well as yours. In all things you have to do with what you have and sometimes tough choices have to be made and things we want are not always what we get. I have to make those choices too. Keep your head up, I know you will do what you can with what you have, I place no demands on you and I'm sure no one else in the Pinto community will either.

Keep the faith and I will too, you will make it to Carlisle be it in heart or body, doesn't really matter, we will all know you are there :D
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

phils toys

2006, 07,08 ,10 Carlisle 3rd stock pinto 4 years same place
2007 PCCA East Regional Best Wagon
2008 CAHS Prom Coolest Ride
2011,2014 pinto stampede

blupinto

Sorry Brian... the way you worded the previous response sounded (to me) like I was being criticized for not just paying for the camping, since I already dropped $50 for the other stuff. I get what you meant now. Again, sorry. :embarassed:
One can never have too many Pintos!

Cookieboystoys

Quote from: blupinto on March 02, 2011, 01:49:50 PM
Brian, I get that... but I don't have THAT much money to put up at one time.  Remember... I am a single person paying a mortgage by herself. Otherwise, I'd have WAYYY more money saved for this trip! :-\

Becky, I just wanted to be sure you (and anyone else who may look) understood Phils answer. I did and apparently so did you.

but... the way it was worded I wasn't sure everyone one would.

quote from PhilsToys " $30 for the weekend carr is included in the regristration "

so it was just about makeing sure EVERYBODY was clear on the prices and not about your own personal cash situation.
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

phils toys

Quote from: Cookieboystoys on March 02, 2011, 07:44:39 AM
Thanks for the Pictures Phil. Is your car and that tent in the show area? and the camping area way off in the distamce where you see the campers and such? and does the camping area look similar to the show area as seen in the pictures with paved roads and spots to park on grass?

yes my car and tent are on top of the hill   in part of the show area to the right  from the hill top  in the distance is the camping  it is fenced off  just a short wire fence . in between there is more show feild that is about 1/8 of all to the left is the main show feild  and 1/2 of that is just mustangs . the grand stand is to the left as well as the buildings . yes the camping area is just the same as the  show area paved roads and parking /camping on the grass
thank you for starting the other thread  i ran out of spare time at work to do  it .
phil
i have a map of the show feild some place and will scan it when i find it .
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2008 CAHS Prom Coolest Ride
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blupinto

Brian, I get that... but I don't have THAT much money to put up at one time.  Remember... I am a single person paying a mortgage by herself. Otherwise, I'd have WAYYY more money saved for this trip! :-\
One can never have too many Pintos!

Cookieboystoys

Thanks for the Pictures Phil. Is your car and that tent in the show area? and the camping area way off in the distamce where you see the campers and such? and does the camping area look similar to the show area as seen in the pictures with paved roads and spots to park on grass?

Becky, I paid

$40 for car registration for the weekend
$30 for entire weekend camping spot
$10 for the parade
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

phils toys

2006, 07,08 ,10 Carlisle 3rd stock pinto 4 years same place
2007 PCCA East Regional Best Wagon
2008 CAHS Prom Coolest Ride
2011,2014 pinto stampede

blupinto

Cool! Thank you Phil!  ;D

Somewhere in this mess I call Home is a two-man tent and I did put it up by myself. lol. The last time I used it was 1995.  :o
One can never have too many Pintos!

phils toys

Quote from: Cookieboystoys on March 01, 2011, 06:02:32 PM
one other question.... are we parking on grass? or pavement? I'm wondering about tents and awnings and the ability to drive stakes into the ground.
the answer is yes
tents and campers  are in grass with paved streets /alley in between car haulers are on pavement in a different spot
lets start another thread  camping  who and how many

blue $30 for the weekend carr is included in the regristration there will be some one who can / and will hepl with a tent  but i used to set up mt 7 man tent by my self
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2008 CAHS Prom Coolest Ride
2011,2014 pinto stampede

blupinto

I am very interested in camping there... but I'm unclear on the price... is it $30 a night or for the weekend for me and my car? I saw they (Carlisle Events) offered to rent me a spot, but at the time I couldn't afford to add $30 to the car entry fee + parade fee. I will be buying a tent soon or at best I'll sleep under the stars. BTW, do they even make tents that don't take two people to assemble anymore!? Walmart had tents- even one to two person tents- that needed two people to put up.  :P   Thanks all!
One can never have too many Pintos!

Cookieboystoys

one other question.... are we parking on grass? or pavement? I'm wondering about tents and awnings and the ability to drive stakes into the ground.
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

Cookieboystoys

flash041, yes! ask rick to see what he has to say.

I would "guess" that if we all pull in together we have a good chance they will put us together if they do it on a first come/first serve basis.

It would be really nice however if we could get a list of names and see if it's possible to reserve something and have at the very least a central gathering place for the camping Pinto nutz even if not all can get in together at the same time and a few are scattered. If they don't normally reserve spots however it's unlikely they will just for us.
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

phils toys

generators are alowed but have to be turned off by 11:340 or midnight
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2007 PCCA East Regional Best Wagon
2008 CAHS Prom Coolest Ride
2011,2014 pinto stampede

78squirewagon

I have two spots reserved and hope they will let me park my trailer in one of them. I might be bringing a 20' enclosed and that would make a great club hangout or a place to sleep in case it rains.
I might be willing to buy a generator since there's no electric. I think the wife would be OK with that
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1978 Hatchback, red (built four days after  the Squire)

Pinto1600

I've used the facilites there and they run a pretty good operation. Showers are clean and neat and they have attendants during the show at the lav's. They also have 24 hour security for the cars,I have no problem with leaving my cars at the showfield. Food is also good at the fair grounds.
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flash041

I will be camping at Carlisle with my pop-up . Since mose of us will be arriving on Thursday , hopefully we could all be in the same spot.Ill e-mail Rick and ask him.
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phils toys

camping is first come first served, but maybe we could request something ?
i have camperd there 3 times,  and set up in the same place each time sence i had kids  i was close to the port a potty. phil(pinto1600) has friends that setup thereand they are very close to the same place each year
showers are  a little walk  , food at the edge of camp ground  or in the middle of the grounds at the grand stand. i dont think there are electric  hook ups there.
from there web site
Camping & Parking Information
Camping, trailer parking and general parking availability varies based on the size of each event (fees apply). Pre-registration for camping and trailer parking is offered to only pre-registered participants of the showfield or swap meet. All others may register at the event should space still be available.
FOOD AND CONCESSIONS
Great food can be found throughout the Fairgrounds at various locations, including undercover seating in the Food Court behind the Grandstand.
RESTROOMS AND SHOWERS
Numerous clean restrooms are located throughout the facility. Free hot showers are located behind the two-story white stone building and the Main Bath House on G-row south of the Grandstand.
INTERNET ACCESS
Unsecured Wi-Fi Hot Spot - A broadcast internet service (public signal) is broadcast from the stage area during events. You are responsible for maintaining the security of your information and your equipment when accessing the Internet via this hot spot. Carlisle Events assumes no responsibility and shall not be liable for any damages to your computer equipment or other property on account of your use of this hot spot.
anymore questions i will be glad to answer
also ther is a wlamart / plaza about 2 miles away
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2007 PCCA East Regional Best Wagon
2008 CAHS Prom Coolest Ride
2011,2014 pinto stampede

PintoMan1

i was wondering the samething?
1973 pinto runabout

Cookieboystoys

Hey, just wondering how many others are planning to camp at Carlisle?

and if it's possible to make sure all the Pinto nutz are gathered together vs. being spread out at the camp grounds?

anyone camp at Carlisle before? do they group clubs together? any advise for better camping, availability of showers? food? electricity?
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!