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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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blupinto

Quote from: turbopinto72 on September 07, 2010, 07:32:17 PM
So, what your saying is ( to coin a phrase I have heard in advertising) Sex Sells?

I believe I mentioned that earlier...
One can never have too many Pintos!

r4pinto

To be honest all of this has been blown out of proportion. I think we all need to take a moment & let cooler heads prevail. No reason to be getting upset. Yes people's opinions are allowed but lets just not get too overboard with that & get pissed at everyone.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

turbopinto72

Yeah, I guess those commercials that cost 1 mil each at the Super Bowl would not appeal to much if Quasimodo was selling the Cadillac  :o
Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

Bigtimmay

Quote from: turbopinto72 on September 07, 2010, 07:32:17 PM
So, what your saying is ( to coin a phrase I have heard in advertising) Sex Sells?

It sure does thats how everything is sold these days
1978 Mercury Bobcat 2.3t swapped.Always needs more parts!

Pintosopher

Would anyone like to buy a runabout from this person? Judge carefully, it's a 19691/2 with a 1600 4 speed?

Oh go ahead, delete this post Hahha haa!


Neeigh Neeigh heee haw heehaww!
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

Check my Pinto Poems out...

turbopinto72

So, what your saying is ( to coin a phrase I have heard in advertising) Sex Sells?
Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

blupinto

And THAT might just be why he started the thread... ;D
One can never have too many Pintos!

Pintosopher

Quote from: blupinto on September 07, 2010, 06:45:01 PM
I don't like having to be the Bad Person here, hence why I didn't ask a moderator to remove it. But as I said, I have the right to an opinion. As far as things getting heated up here it takes two (or more) to tango, so it's not just me. I would love to chill, but I don't like being told to shut up. No one does. Beicholz originated this thread and I would assume he wanted to see opinions. If my phrases were offensive to some then chalk it up to my response to what offended me. I'm a female from way back, and I know what strides women have made in terms of equal rights. Seeing that photo- whoever's idea it was for the woman to pose as she did- was insulting to me. I realize most of the viewers here aren't, but that doesn't mean everybody isn't.  That said, I will still "speak" my mind- in favor or otherwise- where I see fit, as long as I'm a member of this site. We ALL need to chill, not just me.
Chillin just fine in Triple digit Sacto. Beicholz is probably laughing his a$$ off at the content in this thread..
  More Ice bartender please!
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

Check my Pinto Poems out...

Bigtimmay

lol hes also got a monza forsale right now with the same girl thats in this thread up on ebay.

I dont think id buy this pinto the CW ya that chick was smoking hot LOL
1978 Mercury Bobcat 2.3t swapped.Always needs more parts!

blupinto

Hmmm....

Still, if I were in the money (HA!) to get yet another Pinto (and I really REALLY want a Squire) I would not get one based on what's draped or leaning on it... unless it's a big bag of money or Breyer model horses... heck, even a Rickenbacker guitar (natch I would get that along with the car. ;) )
One can never have too many Pintos!

Bigtimmay

yup that CW same guy selling all those car and its always a different girl in all the pics.
1978 Mercury Bobcat 2.3t swapped.Always needs more parts!

blupinto

The one selling the Cruising Wagon?  If that's the one I stand corrected. She (the woman) was not offensive, or not nearly as offensive- as she is in the current one. There's another pic on ebay  (the same Squire ad) where she looks ok.
One can never have too many Pintos!

Bigtimmay

nope remember back like a month ago in your temp shout box i said id by a pinto if the chick in the pic came with it? thats the same seller and the one i looked at on there he had for sale here too.
1978 Mercury Bobcat 2.3t swapped.Always needs more parts!

blupinto

I look on ebay all the time looking for Pintos I cannot afford, and that's the first I've seen of this person. 
One can never have too many Pintos!

Bigtimmay

you guys do know the guy selling that car is on this site right? he has had multiple cars on ebay and everyone of them has had a girl in the pics like a week ago he had a pretty nice svo stang for sale.

He had one for sale on this site too and when it got put on ebay it had a girl in the pics too.
1978 Mercury Bobcat 2.3t swapped.Always needs more parts!

blupinto

I don't like having to be the Bad Person here, hence why I didn't ask a moderator to remove it. But as I said, I have the right to an opinion. As far as things getting heated up here it takes two (or more) to tango, so it's not just me. I would love to chill, but I don't like being told to shut up. No one does. Beicholz originated this thread and I would assume he wanted to see opinions. If my phrases were offensive to some then chalk it up to my response to what offended me. I'm a female from way back, and I know what strides women have made in terms of equal rights. Seeing that photo- whoever's idea it was for the woman to pose as she did- was insulting to me. I realize most of the viewers here aren't, but that doesn't mean everybody isn't.  That said, I will still "speak" my mind- in favor or otherwise- where I see fit, as long as I'm a member of this site. We ALL need to chill, not just me.
One can never have too many Pintos!

turbopinto72

Becky, although this is an open forum, we have moderators here on this site. If something is offensive you can always send a moderator an email asking that the topic be taken down , and for what reason it is offensive. This also goes for posts. If Joe is offended in your post, he can ask me to take it down ( as you said, free America and such ).
No one was verbally attacking you.
Now then, Please...... Lets CHILL................     ;D  ;D   :P   :police:
Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

blupinto

Quote from: pintosopher on September 07, 2010, 06:19:17 PM
Becky and all..
  This Dominatrix attitude will not fly on this site. I have never met anyone who has been  member or is a member of this club. The moderators of this club have done a really good job of keeping the content objective.
I would not welcome the kind of criticism that has been displayed here today, But we all know that we can agree to disagree. In the Big picture it's Scott's Site, and the Club belongs to everyone that are members.
That being said, I will not ask for anyone to adopt "my perspective" on anything that I post here. But I would hope that you would have the objectivity to set your principles on the shelf, laugh at yourself, and even the Irony of the cultures that we have in our republic and the right to see things through other peoples eyes and observations.

In a Word Becky, Chill or you won't have to worry about the people who might " Unfriend You" Here, or on FB or even on the road next year! Think about it before you flame out! :read: :sleep:

Ridin a pale Horse, and leaving the prairie for a few hours.. Jeeessh!

Think before you tie yourselves to a "POST"

Pintosopher

Joe, I really don't care whether I get "unfriended" or not. This is America, and I should be free to express my opinion, same as everyone else. I will not "flame out" as you say, but when people defend exploitation (woman, child, animal)-even those who willingly do it- I'm gonna say something. When I get verbally attacked, as both you and Brad are doing, it makes me all the more stubborn and "vociferous".  I'm not a feminazi or anything of the sort, but as I said before, if it's put in the forum then we all have a right to say something if we want.
One can never have too many Pintos!

blupinto

Well, that said, then the photo doesn't belong here either. Sorry but it IS offensive. I'm sure I'm not the only one offended by it. I'm just the one that voiced her opinion. It is not a family-friendly photo (the site won't let us spell s--u--c--k-- because it could be deemed offensive) but I find sexploitation more offensive.  I realize it's probably the woman's choice to pose like that but I call it as I see it. And no, I don't have any firemen calendars in my possession.
One can never have too many Pintos!

Pintosopher

 Becky and all..
  This Dominatrix attitude will not fly on this site. I have never met anyone who has been  member or is a member of this club. The moderators of this club have done a really good job of keeping the content objective.
I would not welcome the kind of criticism that has been displayed here today, But we all know that we can agree to disagree. In the Big picture it's Scott's Site, and the Club belongs to everyone that are members.
That being said, I will not ask for anyone to adopt "my perspective" on anything that I post here. But I would hope that you would have the objectivity to set your principles on the shelf, laugh at yourself, and even the Irony of the cultures that we have in our republic and the right to see things through other peoples eyes and observations.

In a Word Becky, Chill or you won't have to worry about the people who might " Unfriend You" Here, or on FB or even on the road next year! Think about it before you flame out! :read: :sleep:

Ridin a pale Horse, and leaving the prairie for a few hours.. Jeeessh!

Think before you tie yourselves to a "POST"

Pintosopher
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

Check my Pinto Poems out...

r4pinto

Brad,

I can certainly see what you are stating & you definitely have a point. With that said I am as guilty as the next guy & should not have made those comments aimed at an individual. They weren't nevessary & why cast a bad look on the site, since there are those that look at the site but do not belong to it. Why give us a bad name by making comments that were not called for.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

blupinto

No as you can see YOU did direct your reply to me... you said so yourself. This is a forum, and yeah, I'm offended by the picture in the post. Funny how YOU take me to task, saying we ALL have an opinion but because mine doesn't mesh with yours I'M the bad guy (girl). You have censored my opinions in the past (re: the 1,000 MPH thing) so please get off your high horse. We are all free to express our opinions here- not just the pro-ho crowd.  I pay my charter membership dues so I WILL speak my mind when I feel the need to. No one has to agree with me, and I don't have to agree with everyone else.
One can never have too many Pintos!

turbopinto72

I think YOU are the one that gets defensive about a lot of things here Becky. Just read your last post. It was directed to ME. My post was not directed to you. I never said I did not like your opinion, I never said I was defending anything. I was stating a thought. Anyone could have said that. It would seem that you are the only one who is free to state your opinion. You can certainly state that you do not " like the photo"  I was trying to make a point that this could be a Pinto owner and you have formed an opinion about Her with out even knowing who it is ( maybe she is on this site) ? who knows.
Yes, Vive La Difference but don't  get your Dasie Dukes in a wad please......   ;D   :P
Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

blupinto

If I dressed like that and was pulling my daisydukes "off" like that I would deserve it too. Why are you defending that?!  And anyway, I'm free to express my opinion, same as you and everybody else does.  You don't like my opinion... I don't like the photo... or the defense thereof.  Vive la diferance.
One can never have too many Pintos!

turbopinto72

I hope She is not the owner of that car, Imagine how you would feel if someone you didn't even know talked about you that way..........
Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

blupinto

One can never have too many Pintos!

r4pinto

Quote from: blupinto on September 07, 2010, 03:19:02 PM
Of course you didn't. :rolleye:

I didn't either Becky, cuz garbage would be more appealing than that gutter trash on the car  ;D
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

blupinto

One can never have too many Pintos!

turbopinto72

Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

blupinto

Quote from: pintosopher on September 07, 2010, 02:17:03 PM
Hey ,
I'm with Chris & Brad on this one. Without having met this chickie, it would be prejudicial to assess her attributes on just her Looks alone. Becky, would you be so critical if it was Male Beefcake leaning on the fender?
Our culture is what it is, for better or for worse.  :cheesy_n:
We should all just "roll with it Baby" and enjoy the car!

  Horsin around by the corral.. Pintosopher

Yes, Joe, I would be just as critical. Sell the car for the car alone... not because some scantily-clad person is draped on it. Sex sells- WAY more to males than to females, hence the popularity of girlie mags like Playboy, Penthouse, etc. as opposed to Playgirl. The sad fact is (and it is proven) that males are influenced by barely-dressed or undressed females in terms of goods and services (see Hooters). And yes I will be judgemental when someone dresses like that damn near pulling her daisydukes off to appeal to male prospective buyers. I like the car- not the garbage leaning on it.
One can never have too many Pintos!