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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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beicholz

OK....weighing in a bit late on this topic.

Just Dashes charges $800, including removal and re-installation.   They also need the car for a full day at the beginning and end.

So, I'm considering a cap for my '76.  There seems to be several companies out there who make them.   Does anyone know which one(s) at the best?   Does it really make any difference?
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78_starsky

Thanks dave,  Thanks all who have shown interest in this project.  Updating a bit here,  We are waiting for a test pad so that every cover that is made will be fit tested before it leaves our door.  We are busy with our build keeping the pace for our projected completion date of (hopefully early august, if not before)  after that we will be starting to work on the covers again. If you are thinking of redoing your pad and are thinking of ordering one of these keep in mind that we will be offering the choices of any colour patterns you would like.  we still want to experiment with tufted cluster tops.  will post pics when we get to that to show you all the ideas we have. 

thanks for all your support on this venture  :)

dave1987

1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

78_starsky

Thanks cookie,  that looks sharp, and looks like a ton of work to make forming like that.  I would venture heat to form then stretch and glue.  nice job!!!

Today we finaly were able to get the dash pad on the car.  This is the design that we feel has the easiest and best form fitting around the console.  putting the cover on the dash does pose a challenge to a bit of degree,  this pad has a 1/8 foam underlay to give it that nice cushioned look.

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n69/ru_ready_4_r_n_r/dashpad1.jpg

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n69/ru_ready_4_r_n_r/dashpad2.jpg

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n69/ru_ready_4_r_n_r/dashpad3.jpg

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n69/ru_ready_4_r_n_r/dashpad4.jpg

Cookieboystoys

I don't think it was "made" so much as just a piece of vinyl stretched over and attached then trimed. I don't have closeups of the recovering process, I only got to see the finished product. His first attempt left minor burn marks from the heat gun and he didn't remove the bumps and cracks from the pad before recover. His second attempt I don't know "exactly" what he did to remove the bumps and cracks and how he filled but looked and felt smooth when he was done and no burn marks from the heat gun. I do recall it "looked" like a stretch and glue, possible some staples were used to hold the vinyl.

the best closeup picture of the recovered pad I could find


and 2 of it installed

It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

78_starsky

hey cookie,  thanks for the padcap vid.  that was helpful to see.  You said you have a one piece cover that was made?  could I ask for you to post a pic of it?  we would love to see how they did that for we have thought about doing the same thing,  however,  the problem would be when a person who has never installed before wouldn't be able to get it on properly.  If you can, we are really interested in a close up pick of how they "one pieced" around the cluster.  did they use heat to form fit? 

thanks muchly!!

Cookieboystoys

Quote from: 75bobcatv6 on June 18, 2010, 04:15:12 PM
cookieboy, thats an awesome tutorial. all i can say is *Thank You!!!!!*

I'm just glad I found it to repost  ;D

I have installed 2 of these, the one in the video and another on a dash pad that was in much worse condition. I like the dash pad covers, easy to install and look good when done. If you carve down the bumps before installing they fit good and cover all but the ends tight. Only when you open the doors and look at the end of the pad do you really notice.

I also have 1 pad recovered in vinyl... 1 piece was used and no seams. The pad was carved of bumps, fill was used to smooth out, I don't know what was used for fill, covered with a thin padding under the vinyl and it looks good too. Done by a professional reupholster and 2 attempts before I was satisfied.

I have 2 cars right now that are so close to "origional" I am strongly considering the cost for the Just Dashes restoration... I have a driver '80 that is in need of a cover or replace but... I have a color matching dash pad that is very nice but I'm still considering the cover because I don't want to have to tear the dash apart to install a pad that is in very good condition but not absolutly perfect.

anyhow... that's some of my experience/thoughts with covers, pads and options.

I'll repost the video so it isn't lost in the past posts
http://www.youtube.com/user/cookieboystoys#p/u/0/SI_vl6GqneM
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

75bobcatv6

cookieboy, thats an awesome tutorial. all i can say is *Thank You!!!!!* this will help me alot when i go to do both our bobcats

Cookieboystoys

Quote from: phils toys on June 18, 2010, 01:19:26 PM
thanks for repostoing

Phil, I didn't realize it wasn't posted on my YouTube anymore... took me some digging to find a copy.
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

phils toys

thanks for repostoing cookieboy
2006, 07,08 ,10 Carlisle 3rd stock pinto 4 years same place
2007 PCCA East Regional Best Wagon
2008 CAHS Prom Coolest Ride
2011,2014 pinto stampede

Cookieboystoys

Quote from: 78_starsky on June 08, 2010, 12:54:17 PM
sorry to say that the video has expired, if that could be re-posted I would love to watch it. 

here it is ~~> Pinto Dash Cap Install
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

78_starsky

Hey all, thought I better give an update on this project.  After pulling our hair out on 6 different prototypes we finally feel confident enough to make the one for our build.  Hopefully we will have it finished and in place this weekend.  I have the feelers out for getting a second dashpad that we are going to using to test fit every one that we will be making from here on in. I will update with pics when we have it together and all will be good.  Hope to be able to have these being shipped out the door to you guys in 6 or so weeks.  Time is flying by here, and work is interfering with fun and projects... arrrhg. So far we found that the instructions for placing them onto the pads need to be followed to a "T" I know this sounds elementary, however, fitting can be only one way to make it look good.   Will update soon (hopefully with pics)  and yes we will be making 79-80 pads should have one coming pretty soon.   cheers

TIGGER

Here is a pic of the dash from my 79 wagon.

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phils toys

you are welcome . yes mine was raied up from the splits and  the cap fit very tight side to side  after several test fits and minor triming  i had it looking better then i painted it. then  cleande both surfaces with alchol   did another test fit and found blocking to give  the right pressure points  applied the silacone adhasive they sent  and let it dry  it still looks great. unless you hit it you can not tell it is not vynal. i had some people commenting on how good it look  while at carlisle.
i will see if i can get the original video  again it belonged to some one else who did his cap about the same time as mine.
phil
2006, 07,08 ,10 Carlisle 3rd stock pinto 4 years same place
2007 PCCA East Regional Best Wagon
2008 CAHS Prom Coolest Ride
2011,2014 pinto stampede

78_starsky

Thanks dave,  :)

ok tossing this out there as well,  we have a line on a bobat pad from 1980, we can use this as a pattern for 79-80 cars. just wanted to let you know that if we can get the dash pad we will be also looking into making them for your car if you have one of these years and are interested in a custom pad.

can anyone post up a 79-80 pic of there dash? (i haven't seen one is why I am asking to see)

thanks

dave1987

I likey! :D I may replace the capped one in my 78 with one of these, but I know Brownie will be getting one for sure! Just something about stitched vinyl in a classic car that makes me drool...... :)

1/16" - 1/8". 1/16" sound more accurate, but it's been a couple years since I installed it. I might be washing and detailing the 78 Sedan tomorrow, so I will see then.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

78_starsky

We have been busy today on this adventure.  Here are 2 pics of the 1st prototype of the work so far.  We will be changing some of the way it is made tomorrow to make this cover become more form fitting.  We are getting there and know in a few days we should have it perfected. (Our project can't continue in the interior till this is completed) so we are pushing this now.  :) 

first pic,  all pieces cut out....

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n69/ru_ready_4_r_n_r/1stprototype2.jpg

the start of the first trial and error.  (we are going to revamp a few things on the next one)

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n69/ru_ready_4_r_n_r/1stprototype1.jpg

cheers  Casey

78_starsky

thanks phil  for that link,  sorry to say that the video has expired, if that could be re-posted I would love to watch it.  that was a nasty split on your original pad...  ouch!!!  from reading what you wrote you said you took time to cut and mold so there are/were no bumps and got a good fit...  on our covers we will be sending along thin foam for the same purposes,  for those who will want to fill in the cracks by lightly glueing in foam to make a smooth finish.  :)  thanks for the link.

Bigtimmay,  please take pics of your process,  this will be valuable info for us and others of your adventure.  keep us posted.

thanks

Bigtimmay

ill be removing the dash pad then taking the cap off of it and starting from scratch and im sure the glue will tear up the original vynil but since im gunna be glassing mine it should be fine. Now i just gotta wait for it to stop raining so i can pull part of the dash apart to find exactly what holds the pad on.
1978 Mercury Bobcat 2.3t swapped.Always needs more parts!

phils toys

2006, 07,08 ,10 Carlisle 3rd stock pinto 4 years same place
2007 PCCA East Regional Best Wagon
2008 CAHS Prom Coolest Ride
2011,2014 pinto stampede

78_starsky

thanks dave,  that was what I was afraid of.  if you were to guess how thick or added thicknesses would a cap add to the original dashpad? maybe 1/16 of an inch all around? or would you guess more/less?  for this might not actually make too much differences.


one other question,  how many interested people in here would feel comfortable taking out their dash pads?

I knew in our build it was coming out and was going to be recovered anyways with red vinyl, this is to protect the perfect one that we have and to also "customize" the rest of the dash with our buildup.  Angie has tossed around the idea of making these pads for 80's trans ams, firebird,  for they have the same dash, however, the work involved in making the patterns and the installation would be greater than what the average person could install. the only way to install them would be to have the dashpads on her table to form fit them properly. The ones on the pintos are nice neat dash pads, hence how we came up with the idea for doing this and to help you guys customize yours.

cheers and thanks

dave1987

I would guess that removing the car would destroy the original dash. the glue used is pretty strong stuff!  The vinyl on the dash gets pretty brittle on these over the years.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

78_starsky

thanks guys,  this made me actually think about another question,  will the original pad be destroyed if you have to remove the cap? will the glueing compound tear the other one to pieces if someone glued the crap out of it?

next question,  after you take the dash pad out of the car (for our install) and could the cap becovered over? or does the cap add to any dimensions?

the covers we are building will require for complete removal of the dashpad to install the full wrapped "new" dashpad.  They will be held into place by the "lips" under the pad, and wrap to the secureing screw/bolt. they will be built in any colour you request. or damn nearest to it in shades.   thanks

dave1987

The caps are glued on with a silicone type adhesive. The cap is installed with the dash still in the car on the dash. I used the glue on the top and the sides, even though the sides probably didn't need it, I just didn't want it to warm from heat later and have the ends wing out. Once the glue is applied to the dash and cap and finally installed, you put pressure on it by wedging something between the windshield and the dash, or by placing something of fairly heavy weight on top of the cap to hold it on until the adhesive dries for 24 hours.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

78_starsky

thanks bigtimmay,   would you venture to guess that the glue/tape stuff is only on the edges? or is it over the whole pad?

if you yank yours off are you going to be takeing the dash apart to get it out? or jsut taking off the cap?  and can you take a couple pics of before and after you take the cap off?  thanks

Bigtimmay

theres a cap in my bobcat and it has some nasty glue/tape looking stuff holding it to the original dash pad.

Im gunna be pulling the cap off the dash pad prolly in the next couple days so i can start build a new one outta fiberglass dont like the vynil look want it smooth and painted.
1978 Mercury Bobcat 2.3t swapped.Always needs more parts!

78_starsky

Ok all,  here is the start of the thread for the "new" dashpad covers that we are going to attempt to create!!!!  we are hoping to be able to ship these out the door for $70.00/75.00 + shipping (which should not be much for shipping for weight should be light).  I will be asking questions about aspects of the dash pad that I will need answers to. Feel free to ask us questions in here also. I will be posting pics of the progress as we venture along.  Today I started to make the first (tight fitted) pattern, and after this in the process will be a looser fitted pattern that will have all the extra added lengths for the seams. 

My first question is concerning capped original pads,  how do they attatch to the original?  are they just popped on with out taking off/out the dashpad? or does the whole original pad need to come out?

and second  are they glued to the orignal pad?

thanks