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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Bad Tranny Deal

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powderblue76

Gives Texans a bad name, and I don't much care for that.

entropy

1972 Hoonabout
SBF swap
-308 cid
-CNC ported Brodix heads
-Edelbrock Super Victor intake
-QuickFuel 750 double pumper built by Siebert
-Single stage NOS Cheater system
8" rear 4.11 posi
G-Force 5 Speed
10 point rollcage


450-ish rwhp on motor.....something a bit more than that on the spray

map351

73 2.3Turbo Pinto
6S1941 / 289 Slab Side
40 Ford Sedan Delivery  For Sale

Pinto FiberGlass
https://picasaweb.google.com/73turbopinto/PintoHotpantsKitNewFrontAirdam

Windwoman

ok if I am wrong for posting this forgive me and delete the message.
His name is Gary Eastrup.
I do have his address and Phone number.
I will call Tuesday morning to see what can be done legaly.
If anyone else needs his address I will happily share.
WW

Windwoman

no unfourtunatly I did not ask for pictures but I still have all of his email and I will be calling the FBI and check and see what eles I can do. He shipped it UPS so not sure on resources there.
WW


Quote from: map351 on May 29, 2010, 07:57:26 AM
It's called Internet fraud, keep all his contact info contact your local branch of the FBI.

Did he send you pictures of a C-4 trans?


Windwoman

ok I was wrong I don't have is address.... but I have the address of the shipper so... Tuesday I will
call there for more info then I will share what I have.
WW


Quote from: Starsky and Hutch on May 29, 2010, 06:55:04 AM
Someone find out his name and sick the cops on him,plus post his name up here so all can see it , and do a you tube video about him...How much did he get u for W.W ?

Windwoman

I still have an address!
WW

Quote from: entropy on May 27, 2010, 11:59:59 PM
Here's a  highly articulate private message I just received from R2Racing:

i wanna see your little resources give a lil butt whoopen ha i got pleny. with yalls lil stupid dump butt pintos!!! im selling the piece of shizod i got or crushing every damn one i see now screw you an this site!!


Anybody got an address on this rocket surgeon?

Oh....btw.....I advise against doing business with this subliterate primate.

Windwoman

I will thanks so much.
I though I was safe where he told me in his emails that the tranny was a c4 and he actually told me the bolt pattern was the same as a C4 which was a bold face lie.
WW


Quote from: Carolina Boy on May 27, 2010, 07:32:13 PM
Windwoman, Next time you are in dought about a deal, You can ask us before you buy.

entropy

Going through the U.S. Postal Service might get you better results than the Bureau....this is, after all, mail fraud (a Federal crime) and possibly wire fraud as well.  Also, Paypal will get involved, if that's how the money was transfered and, finally, get word to this little bastard's local cops....if anybody's got an address on him.

Failing any of that, I'd like to send him Bikers: the gift that keeps on f**kin' giving...
1972 Hoonabout
SBF swap
-308 cid
-CNC ported Brodix heads
-Edelbrock Super Victor intake
-QuickFuel 750 double pumper built by Siebert
-Single stage NOS Cheater system
8" rear 4.11 posi
G-Force 5 Speed
10 point rollcage


450-ish rwhp on motor.....something a bit more than that on the spray

map351

Quote from: Srt on May 29, 2010, 10:52:00 AM
I like this idea.  Would they take it seriously though?

Yep he's easy pickins!
73 2.3Turbo Pinto
6S1941 / 289 Slab Side
40 Ford Sedan Delivery  For Sale

Pinto FiberGlass
https://picasaweb.google.com/73turbopinto/PintoHotpantsKitNewFrontAirdam

Srt

Quote from: map351 on May 29, 2010, 07:57:26 AM
It's called Internet fraud, keep all his contact info contact your local branch of the FBI.

Did he send you pictures of a C-4 trans?


I like this idea.  Would they take it seriously though?
the only substitute for cubic inches is BOOST!!!

map351

It's called Internet fraud, keep all his contact info contact your local branch of the FBI.

Did he send you pictures of a C-4 trans?
73 2.3Turbo Pinto
6S1941 / 289 Slab Side
40 Ford Sedan Delivery  For Sale

Pinto FiberGlass
https://picasaweb.google.com/73turbopinto/PintoHotpantsKitNewFrontAirdam

Starsky and Hutch

Someone find out his name and sick the cops on him,plus post his name up here so all can see it , and do a you tube video about him...How much did he get u for W.W ?
1977 Pinto Accent stripe group Runabout                                                                    interior(Code PN) Color (Code R2)

blupinto

Quote from: beegle55 on May 28, 2010, 09:16:15 AM
Every now and then we get a bad apple. But luckily this site is relatively tame and in good spirits compared to some other forums so we have that to be thankful for. Sorry for whoever got burnt by him though...maybe when he crushes them he will forget to get out...although that may be a bit much  :P

     -beegle55

Naah...we don't want that piece of $#!* rotting in the dearly departed Pinto and stinking her up! :P
One can never have too many Pintos!

75bobcatv6

He more then likely deleted his Account, it was r2racing.

turbopinto72

I dont see this guy in the member list on this site.
Where did you get the contact from ?

( dont make me get the ban stick out, I will beat him down )   ;D  ;D  :police:
Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

beegle55

Every now and then we get a bad apple. But luckily this site is relatively tame and in good spirits compared to some other forums so we have that to be thankful for. Sorry for whoever got burnt by him though...maybe when he crushes them he will forget to get out...although that may be a bit much  :P

     -beegle55
2005 Jeep GC 5.7 HEMI
1993 Ford Mustang
1991 Ford Mustang GT
1988 Ford Mustang
1980 Ford Pinto Cruising- Mint, Fully documented
1979 Ford Pinto Trunk- 2.3L 4 speed
1978 Ford Pinto HB- 302 drag car
1976 Ford Pinto Runabout- 40,000 mi, V6
1972 Ford Maverick Grabber (real)
1970 Ford Mustang 302

dga57

Quote from: entropy on May 27, 2010, 11:59:59 PM
Here's a  highly articulate private message I just received from R2Racing:

i wanna see your little resources give a lil butt whoopen ha i got pleny. with yalls lil stupid dump butt pintos!!! im selling the piece of shizod i got or crushing every damn one i see now screw you an this site!!


Anybody got an address on this rocket surgeon?

Oh....btw.....I advise against doing business with this subliterate primate.


Geez ::) :-\ :P

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

entropy

Here's a  highly articulate private message I just received from R2Racing:

i wanna see your little resources give a lil butt whoopen ha i got pleny. with yalls lil stupid dump butt pintos!!! im selling the piece of shizod i got or crushing every damn one i see now screw you an this site!!


Anybody got an address on this rocket surgeon?

Oh....btw.....I advise against doing business with this subliterate primate.
1972 Hoonabout
SBF swap
-308 cid
-CNC ported Brodix heads
-Edelbrock Super Victor intake
-QuickFuel 750 double pumper built by Siebert
-Single stage NOS Cheater system
8" rear 4.11 posi
G-Force 5 Speed
10 point rollcage


450-ish rwhp on motor.....something a bit more than that on the spray

Carolina Boy

Windwoman, Next time you are in dought about a deal, You can ask us before you buy.
If life gives you a lemon, squeeze it in your moonshine and buy a Pinto.

Windwoman

he is young but sounds like he could use a refresher course in Honesty.
But I think the group needs to know not to deal with this slippery little monster.
WW.

entropy

I've got some...let's call them "resources" in Dallas and Austin.  Maybe I can send this guy an asswhoopin'....    ;D
1972 Hoonabout
SBF swap
-308 cid
-CNC ported Brodix heads
-Edelbrock Super Victor intake
-QuickFuel 750 double pumper built by Siebert
-Single stage NOS Cheater system
8" rear 4.11 posi
G-Force 5 Speed
10 point rollcage


450-ish rwhp on motor.....something a bit more than that on the spray

75bobcatv6

I was also dealing with him. I wanted 100 dollard for the centerlines that were on the back of my car. I dropped the price to the cost of shipping so i could get the cargo panels i need for my bobcat from him. have not hear a word back from him since.
so if there is anyone with Wagon cargo panels that will fit a 75 bobcat that are not cut up ill trade my centerline rims for them. they are 14x7.5 i think 4 lug pattern one needs restore work the other does not. I would not suggest this seller to anyone else.

popbumper

Thanks for the "heads up" and very sorry you had to go through this. Being a Texas resident I am appreciative!

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

Fred Morgan

Bryan Texas I had a few prob's with him.  Fred   :)
Fred Morgan- Missing from us...
January 20th 1951-January 6th 2014

Beloved PCCA Parts Supplier and Friend to many.
Post your well wishes,
http://www.fordpinto.com/in-memory-of-our-fallen-pinto-heros/fred-morgan-23434/

entropy

What city is this a-hole working out of?
1972 Hoonabout
SBF swap
-308 cid
-CNC ported Brodix heads
-Edelbrock Super Victor intake
-QuickFuel 750 double pumper built by Siebert
-Single stage NOS Cheater system
8" rear 4.11 posi
G-Force 5 Speed
10 point rollcage


450-ish rwhp on motor.....something a bit more than that on the spray

Windwoman

I realize this. Just don't want anyone eles falling for his deceipt.
WW>

dga57

Quote from: Windwoman on May 18, 2010, 11:10:55 PM
I was offered a Transmission from R2Racing on this site.
He told me the tranny was a C4. We asked him how many pan bolts it had and he told us 11.
He was also suppose to ship a crank pully with the tranny. So mistakenly trusting him I sent him the money
when the tranny got here it was a C3... pan bolt pattern was 13. I checked with the group as I am just
learning this stuff to make sure I was right and was sent a jpg of both tranny bolt patterns.
I also recieved from R2Racing a water pump pulley instead of a crank pulley.
I emailed to see what happened and he claimed he sent me what I asked for and then failed to answer
any further emails.
The transmission appeared to be damaged in shipping and I did offer to send him pictures etc. to file a claim against shipper and he still failed to contact me back.
I belive that he took advantage of me being new to the automotive hobby and a woman
I would think twice before purchasing anything from him.
WW

Sorry you had a bad experience, and thanks for putting the word out so others don't fall victim.  Most of our members are not like that at all.

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

Windwoman

I was offered a Transmission from R2Racing on this site.
He told me the tranny was a C4. We asked him how many pan bolts it had and he told us 11.
He was also suppose to ship a crank pully with the tranny. So mistakenly trusting him I sent him the money
when the tranny got here it was a C3... pan bolt pattern was 13. I checked with the group as I am just
learning this stuff to make sure I was right and was sent a jpg of both tranny bolt patterns.
I also recieved from R2Racing a water pump pulley instead of a crank pulley.
I emailed to see what happened and he claimed he sent me what I asked for and then failed to answer
any further emails.
The transmission appeared to be damaged in shipping and I did offer to send him pictures etc. to file a claim against shipper and he still failed to contact me back.
I belive that he took advantage of me being new to the automotive hobby and a woman
I would think twice before purchasing anything from him.
WW