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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Gave my Parents the Pinto Bug...

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larjohnson

Well, the little squire has a new name.  I'm going to call her Phyllis.  I use to work with a lady in the mid 80's, who was near my mother's age, and we became good friends.  Work being the way is is sometimes, our friendship became strained.  Some 20 odd years later I tried to find her, but learned she died a violent death.  She really had no family, and I hated the circumstances she found herself in.  To honor her I'm naming my parent's little squire Phyllis.  A classic beauty with a little spunk!!!!!  R.I.P. Phyllis.....Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

blupinto

One can never have too many Pintos!

dga57

Larry,
I LIKE that plan!  I can't think of anything I'd enjoy more than seeing all three of your Pintos!  I'm really looking forward to Carlisle too!

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

larjohnson

blupinto:  My Mom and Dad told me the same thing yesterday, they think I too should take the 71 to Carlisle.  I just thought the 72 may do better, because of the low miles.  I'm not sure how many miles the 71 has, but it does purr like a kitten.  What I may do is try to have my two sons go along with me, I can drive the 71, one could drive the 72, and the other could drive the 77 squire.  Would be a great family time together.  At best, if my sons cannot go, I have great friend, whom I'm sure will drive the 77 and go with us.  I'm really looking forward to Carlisle.  I want to meet up with all of you from fordpinto.com there.  I can't wait to meet my new Pinto family.  BTW, I don't think I'll ever have as many Pintos as Kimmy.. :lol: See ya there.....Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

blupinto

Why not bring your '71 trunk model, so she can meet her California 4-speed sister? lol. ;D
One can never have too many Pintos!

larjohnson

Dwayne:  My Parents probably couldn't make the trip to Carlisle; however, my wife and I are planning to making the trip in the 1972 Pinto Runabout.  I wouldn't miss this event for the world.  I'm really looking forward to it.  If I can persuade one of the boys to bring the wagon, we may do that.  Who knows.  I'm just hoping nothing keeps me from coming to Carlisle...I simply am excited about the event.  Have a Happy Holiday Season...Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

dga57

Larry,
Congratulations on the "new" Pinto!  Like you however, I hope your Mom and Dad will enjoy it for a good long while before you take possession of it.  It truly is a beauty!  Might you persuade your parents to bring it to Carlisle in June? (hint, hint!)
Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

blupinto

Larry, if you don't stop acquiring Pintos you're gonna rival our Kimmy! lol.

I've had to somewhat re-learn patience too. After driving 1997 and newer cars for about 10 years I had to remember that carburetors with automatic chokes need time to warm up. lol.

Larry, you will have the prettiest herd of Pintos that side of the Pecos! lol. ;D   I, too, hope your parents will be driving that Squire for many years to come.
One can never have too many Pintos!

larjohnson

Mom and Dad were in for Thanksgiving, and Dad was raving about the 77 Squire Wagon.  Mom wasn't as happy, she forgot you can't just start the car and go like the cars of today.  She gets a little impatient I guess.  Anyway, they told me over dinner the Squire was mine, imagine my surprise.  They are going to keep her at their house and drive her for now, but it's been titled in my name also.  I  hope they're able to keep her for a lot of years to come, as I'm certainly in no hurry to get this little beauty.  They are going to fall in love with her too, and have a great time when the weather turns nice.  Have a Safe and Happy Holiday Season.
Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

larjohnson

Hallelujah!!!! I found another guy who will work on my Pintos.  I took him Mom and Dad's 1977 Pinto Squire last week.  We had some minor body work done on the driver's rear, and the original woodgrain had to be removed.  I took him a piece of woodgrain I got from Woodgrains for Wagons out of California, and he installed it on the Pinto.  It nearly matched perfectly.  Mom and Dad were thrilled, and Dad even had to take her for a quick drive.  I cleaned her up, and when I left Mom and Dad had a big smile on their face.  I hope it was because the Pinto looked so good, and not because I was leaving.... :laugh:   The car looks fantastic, Mom even said it was the prettiest car they've ever owned.  Maybe that's not completely true, but pretty darn close.   :lol:   Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

larjohnson

Dwayne:  Yes it is, I was trying to download some pictures the other day and had a lot of difficulty.  I finally realized my membership was expired, and this would not allow me to download pix.  I paid my membership last night, as I'll always want to be a member of this club.  Once it's all good to go, then I'll post some more pix.  Have a great day.
Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

dga57

Quote from: larjohnson on October 27, 2010, 08:26:50 PM
Well....got the seat back from the shop, it looks spectacular.  There is just a slight color difference, so I guess I'll be taking the passenger side seat in and having it redone also.  They may as well match, and besides, this is one beautiful little car.   Larry :police:

From the pictures I've seen, it is, indeed, a beauty!

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

larjohnson

Well....got the seat back from the shop, it looks spectacular.  There is just a slight color difference, so I guess I'll be taking the passenger side seat in and having it redone also.  They may as well match, and besides, this is one beautiful little car.   Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

dga57

Sounds great, Larry!  You never know... there may be enough distance between the two bucket seats that the color discrepancy won't be noticeable.  At least you have the extra material if you need it!  Hope your parents are happy with their beautiful little Squire!

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

larjohnson

Got the 77 wagon back from the shop, heater core in, air conditioning working great!!! Yay!!!!  Took the driver's seat to the upholstery shop with the fabric I got, going to have it recovered.  The new fabric of course is just a little darker, due to it being new and not faded; therefore, once I get the driver's seat back, I guess the passenger seat is going to go in also.  Even though the passenger seat is is wonderful shape, I guess it should match the driver's seat, and look like showroom.  The backseat should look like a great match, as I don't think you'll notice the color difference, since it won't be directly beside the new fabric.  We'll see, I know this shop does a great job, so I'm not worried.  The wood grain on the side had some oxidation on it and I was told pledge furniture wipe would bring it back to new.  Well....it sure did, the oxidation is gone.  Once the wagon is waxed, I'll post some pictures.  I've just been busy on the new house, haven't had time to give the wagon any love......haha  Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

dga57

Quote from: larjohnson on September 08, 2010, 07:43:40 AM
So hopefully by next weekend I will be putting on the Macquires 3 step wax process, and make that little baby shine. 
Larry :police:

That should do it!  After all, as the PCCA logo clearly states, "Shiny is good!"

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

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larjohnson

Hello Blupinto and Dwayne:  Yes...she'd be a great addition to Carlisle.  She is one beautiful little Pinto.  The new mechanic is much better than the one I had been using.  The new guy, Wallace did most of the work on my 1971 I got from Reed in Washington, and he does a far better job in mechanics and such, as he's just a little more particular.  He should have her done this week.  So hopefully by next weekend I will be putting on the Macquires 3 step wax process, and make that little baby shine.   You all have a great day.

Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

dga57

Larry,

Once you finally get it all together, you should bring your parents and their Squire to Carlisle with you!  What a gorgeous addition to the display she would be!

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

blupinto

Larry, I'm sorry for your latest misfortunes, with the house and now the Squire. I wish I could see your parents' "new" Squire in person. She looks delectable! ;D
One can never have too many Pintos!

larjohnson

 Well...after getting on the mechanic to finish my parents 77 Pinto Squire, I finally got it back from him unfinished.  I have taken it to another mechanic who will finish putting the new woodgrain on the driver's side rear, and install the new heater core.  I cleaned the car before taking it to the mechanic, and it looks amazing.  If all goes well, she'll be at her first car show September 19, 2010 in Vevay , Indiana.  You all have a great day...Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

larjohnson

Stopped and seen the mechanic yesterday, he thinks he'll have the squire done by the weekend.  I sure hope so, I'm anxious to get her back on the road.
Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

dga57

Larry,

Sounds like you might have to light a little fire under this guy's  :showback: to inspire him to get that Squire finished up!  It's such a pretty little car... I'm sure your parents are anxious to start enjoying it!

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

blupinto

One can never have too many Pintos!

larjohnson

Well....my parent's 77 Squire is still at the shop.  Guess the guy is just wanting to take some time off.  I've been calling him and asking him to get the car ready, guess he will in due time.  Look forward to getting the squire home.  He has all the materials, he just has to put the car back together, shouldn't take him long.  I know I haven't posted for awhile, but my wife and I have been dispaced from our home.  We sold it (Yay!!), but the deal fell thru on our condo.  We're now purchasing a house in Anderson, Indiana, and should have a home again in about 3 weeks.  Should do better with postings after that.  You all have a great day!!!!! Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

larjohnson

78squirewagon....I'm sorry, the body shop is taking the trim piece off...I wouldn't have a clue to know where to start...lol lol lol  I'm thankful I have a little guy down the road who knows how to do this sort of thing, takes a lot of stress off of me.  Have a great day....Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

78squirewagon

So, you are going to do a step by step post on how to get all of the trim pieces off correct?  ;D  I know how to get the back sections (tail gate and rear)  off but have no clue where to go to from there. I am going to be doing both sides on mine in the near future and can use all the help I can get.
Oh yeah, Brian says HI  :D
1978 Squire wagon,red, 69000 and counting original miles

1978 Hatchback, red (built four days after  the Squire)

dga57

Quote from: larjohnson on June 02, 2010, 06:48:52 AM
Woodgrains for Wagons sent me a sample of their woodgrain, and guess what??? It's a near perfect match.  I have placed two calls to them to order the piece of woodgrain I need, I'm just waiting for their response.  This will be a wonderful find, to bring this little beauty up to par.....Larry :police:

Larry,

I'm glad to hear that!  I stumbled onto Woodgrains4Wagons a year or so ago and it appeared that they carried most everything anyone would need for restoring a wagon.  Although I did not have a wagon, I tucked that information away in the corner of my mind.  Since then, more than one person has asked about woodgrain vinyl for wagons they were working on and I've directed them to the website, simply because I knew it existed.  It's nice to finally hear from someone who has personally seen their product.  I'll be anxious to hear how it all works out! 

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

larjohnson

Woodgrains for Wagons sent me a sample of their woodgrain, and guess what??? It's a near perfect match.  I have placed two calls to them to order the piece of woodgrain I need, I'm just waiting for their response.  This will be a wonderful find, to bring this little beauty up to par.....Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

larjohnson

Well....Mom and Dad's Pinto is getting finished up at the body shop.  I guess the woodgrain I found is being put on today.  It's not an exact match, but will do fine until such time I find better.  I think the wood grain I found in California is going to be a really nice match.  Will probably order it this month, and have it put on sometime this summer.  I had to go ahead and do something, so I could get the fuel fill pipe hooked back up.  The guy is putting in a new heater core, so it should be really nice in a couple of days.  I'll post some more pictures as I get them taken.  Have a great day!!!!! Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!