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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

77 Cruisen Wagon

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pintogirl

Well, as some may know, Bella is on hold! She is waiting a rebuilt carb. Hubby got the kit, but wants me to pick up some more vinegar to soak the carb in. We won't get the good carb dip from Fred till Knotts, so someone told us about vinegar and water. I will get some tomorrow. Then hopefully by the time hubby is done reinstalling his truck's motor, he will be able to put the carb back together. Then hopefully Bella will be done!!!

On the bright side, she has been outside during the past couple of storms, and one was a doozy!! She does not leak a drop of water inside of her!!!! I can actually drive her in the winter!!!  ;D ;D
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

r4pinto

Kim, you are making me hate my car even more. I am wanting to just scrap that thing & give up. I remember the bad, bad rot under the car
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

pintogirl

Good news today!!!

The mail came and my self addressed envelope came to me!!!  ;D Donald went to the Notary and had the paperwork notarized and then sent it back to me!!! So I have everything I need to reg. M&M in my name now!!! Yipppeeee!!! Weds. will be the day for that!!!!

Bad news is, I have to wait till hubby gets his truck project done before he will start on M&M! So she will be on the back burner for a bit!
Kim
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I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

pintogirl

Don't hate them, just don't care for the looks of them! Well, I like the looks of everything till you get to the glass part in the back!! LOL  :lol:  Seriously though, they are ok. Just don't care to have one! ;D
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

blupinto

That's cheating and you know it! lol. Anyway, you still won't have every kind even with the half-glass hatch. You must really hate Runabouts... :-\
One can never have too many Pintos!

pintogirl

Quote from: blupinto on February 10, 2010, 01:28:10 PM
Kimmy, sadly you'll never really have everey kind of Pinto without adding a Runabout (the more prevalent kind) and a full-glass hatch.

That's ok! As long as I have one kind of runabout, I will be ok with that! LOL
Kim
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I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

blupinto

Kimmy, sadly you'll never really have everey kind of Pinto without adding a Runabout (the more prevalent kind) and a full-glass hatch.
One can never have too many Pintos!

pintogirl

Quote from: rctinker on February 10, 2010, 12:28:35 AM
Hey do you want to sell the 77 wagon?

No way!!!!!! LOL After the stress and then finally the relief of getting paperwork (not done yet but close) I would never sell her!! LOL ;D ;D  She does look just like the one in your avitar though!!

Actually she is going to be added to my collection! I plan on eventually having one of every type of Pinto! Ok, maybe a few more then that!  ;D I want to have a stock wagon ( my squire), a sedan (the Ghost), stock cruising wagon, (M&M), and then finally my Custom 73 a/c, redefrost, crusing, squire wagon!!! I may even get a runabout, but it has to be the half glass type!! Then my collection will be complete! Maybe! LOL

For an update! I am currently waiting for Donald to send  me back the forms I sent him to fill out. In the mean time I plan on putting the instrument panel that Robert sent me, into the car today! If it ever warms up that is!! LOL Then we will have to wait till Bella (the Squire) is done and out of the garage, before we can start trying to get M&M running!!
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

rctinker

Hey do you want to sell the 77 wagon?
1977 Crusin Wagon when I was 16

dholvrsn

Quote from: pintogirl on January 23, 2010, 10:40:18 PM
Well the guy had a for sale sign in the car that said 4000! LOL The guy told Bob that he wanted 700. Bob told the guy he would only give him 300! That is what we paid for it!!!! 300 bucks!!  ;D

How do you stand being do @#$%&*! lucky?  :P
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rctinker

Sigh, thats just like my wagon I had when I was 16, wish I still had it. Sold it to a guy I new before I left for the military in 1990. Found out a couple of weeks a go that he had gutted it out and made it into a drag car. He only made 3 passes with it and on the 4th he crashed and rolled it. Car went to the crusher. Sigh
1977 Crusin Wagon when I was 16

dga57

Kim,
I've always been a sucker for a happy ending, so... congratulations!
Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

blupinto

Ok what you just said went, "banana banansa banana" .  I'm too stupid to do paste and copy and stuff. I don't do photobucket so I'm lost... ???
One can never have too many Pintos!

pintogirl

Quote from: blupinto on February 07, 2010, 10:37:14 PM
YAY!!!!!!!! What did I tell you!? JuJu is good! lol. Congratulations Kimmy!

P.S. I so love those emoticons! I wish I were a tech-head like you! lol.

Thanks Becky!!

I saved those emoticons to my photobucket account and just copy and past the links! I got them from another forum I go to, but when I tried to just copy and paste the link from their site, it eventually gets deleted for some reason? THe photobucket thing works great though!!!
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

blupinto

YAY!!!!!!!! What did I tell you!? JuJu is good! lol. Congratulations Kimmy!

P.S. I so love those emoticons! I wish I were a tech-head like you! lol.
One can never have too many Pintos!

pintogirl

Well, got some good news today on the cruising wagin!!

Let me back track though!

After several calls to "Donald", the guy that DMV shows as legal owner, that didn't go through for some reason. Bad connection or something, I don't know! The kid and I drove out to his house last Wed. He wasn't home.  :(  We taped a note on his door asking him to give us a call!

Well, fast forward to this morning (Sunday). Hubby and I were talking about taking the car to the yard on Monday to start lien on it. Bad thing about that is we would lose the blue plates that are on it. Then about 2 pm today hubby got a call! Only part I heard was "I will have her send you the paperwork"! Right then I knew who it was!!! Yep, it was Donald!!!
He agreed to do what he had to in order to get the car out of his name!!! I am sending him the forms he needs to fill out in tomorrows mail!!!!!  I am so stoked!! M&M (Mystery Machine) is as good as mine now!!!! No more hassles!! Even going to have Donald sign a P of A form so I can legally sign any other forms that may come up in the process, with out him being there!!

Now I can finally start working on her!! Well, once Bella is up and running!! :D
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

pintogirl

Quote from: phils toys on January 25, 2010, 03:20:12 PM
i did not see an answer to your wheel question  yes those a stock wheels for a pinto. usualy black in color.
phil

Thank you!!

I do plan on painting them black again, then sanding the black off of the areas were it looks like it is supposed to be chrome!
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

phils toys

i did not see an answer to your wheel question  yes those a stock wheels for a pinto. usualy black in color.
phil
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pintogirl

The paper trail tracking begins!! LOL

Today hubby found out who the car is currently registered to. He also found out that there is something like a paperwork limbo at DMV. Sounded like maybe the original owner (one on record) sold it to someone else and they never finished registering it. Or maybe OP sent in a release of liability and the other owner never started paperwork. The buddy that told hubby about this can't tell what it is exactly at DMV but she could assure that the car was not stolen! That is good news. We also found out where the owner on file lives. With that I went online and found his phone number. I called but no answer. I will try back later today, or tonight.

Once I get ahold of the PO we can go from there. If he say's he sold it to so and so, we can try to get his/her name from PO. If he doesn't have who he sold it to, I'm not sure what we will do. We will most likely have to go through DMV and see what they say to do. I'm thinking that if it shows this guy as the current owner, we may not have to worry about it and just have this guy write a bill of sale to us with duplicate title form too.

If all else fails, we may have to lien sale the car. I really don't want to have to do that because we will lose the blue plates, but it may be the only route to get paperwork!!

That is the only bad thing about buying with no title! Guess that's why the guy we got it from couldn't get 4000 for it!!! LOL

I will update soon!!

Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

beegle55

Quote from: dga57 on January 23, 2010, 08:36:07 PM
How about Pintang???  You know... tang; like that powdered sh*t the astronauts used to drink!

Dwayne :smile:

We had a very nice '80 model about ten years ago that had many donor parts from a MII that had vinyls on back that read Pintang and had a horse tail. Very neat 302 car with a 4 speed, shag carpet, cool shifter, and some other exterior custom touches. That car was actually my candidate for resto until we went to look at it after it had sat since we sold it... Was rusting badly on rockers and interior was ruined. Very dirty and in disrepair according to the $2000 the guy out of it  :hypno:


Sorry to hijack the thread LOL. Great looking wagon for that  money! I wish wish wish I could find some deals like that, but there aren't many Pinto's in my neck of the woods so its few and far between.  :afro:

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blupinto

Quote from: Carolina Boy on January 23, 2010, 10:47:51 PM
DGA57 and me ain't that old, youngin. We rode with the General, Lee that is!!! :drunk:
New wagon looks good Kimmy! I are jealous!! :'(


Rode with The General Lee or rode WITH General Lee? lol.
One can never have too many Pintos!

blupinto

Well, you guys got it at a great price then! Very cool!  ;D  I just bet you will make it priceless Kimmy!
One can never have too many Pintos!

pintogirl

Quote from: Carolina Boy on January 23, 2010, 10:47:51 PM
DGA57 and me ain't that old, youngin. We rode with the General, Lee that is!!! :drunk:
New wagon looks good Kimmy! I are jealous!! :'(

Thanks CB, don't be jealous yet! LOL Wait till after I get it registered in my name!! LOL
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

Carolina Boy

DGA57 and me ain't that old, youngin. We rode with the General, Lee that is!!! :drunk:
New wagon looks good Kimmy! I are jealous!! :'(
If life gives you a lemon, squeeze it in your moonshine and buy a Pinto.

pintogirl

Quote from: TIGGER on January 23, 2010, 10:41:26 PM
I agree, it is a very nice looking car. And nice price ;)  Much better shape than mine was in when I got it.  They are almost twins 8)

The radio bezel is different on your CW because it did not come with an AM radio from the factory.  It most likely came with an AM-FM radio or the 8-track because it has factory door speakers.

Thanks for the info on the radio and door panels. I am new to real CW's!! So it is all a learning experience!!

The speakers even work!! LOL Not the greatest but they are good enough to listen to. The radio even has a jack so I can plug in my xm radio!! LOL Look, I'm already listening to music and we haven't even got it running yet, let alone registered! LOL
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

pintogirl

Oh, and I think I saw this car on CL once! I had to laugh that the guy was asking 4000 for it!!  :lol:  It's not worth 4000, not the way it sat when we got it! May be worth a few grand when we get done! LOL
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

TIGGER

I agree, it is a very nice looking car. And nice price ;)  Much better shape than mine was in when I got it.  They are almost twins 8)

The radio bezel is different on your CW because it did not come with an AM radio from the factory.  It most likely came with an AM-FM radio or the 8-track because it has factory door speakers.

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pintogirl

Quote from: blupinto on January 23, 2010, 10:37:36 PM
Is it rude to ask.... how much?  :D

Well the guy had a for sale sign in the car that said 4000! LOL The guy told Bob that he wanted 700. Bob told the guy he would only give him 300! That is what we paid for it!!!! 300 bucks!!  ;D
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

blupinto

Is it rude to ask.... how much?  :D
One can never have too many Pintos!

pintogirl

Oh, and hubby was the one that talked to the guy that sold it to us. So I would think if Hubby thought it would be to much of a hassle, he woudln't have offered what he did, and he probably would have just not bought it to begin with!
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA