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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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Quote from: blupinto on January 31, 2010, 10:17:34 PM
Sorry! I wanted to get everything in one pic! Because there are lines everywhere, just where do you want the camera to focus? I'm afraID IF i GET TOO CLOSE UP i'LL INADVERTENTLY CUT SOMETHING OUT. dRAT. i ACCIDENTALLY HIT THE 54353! CAPS LOCK BUTTON AGAIN!

Take 2 pics, one of front half close as you can to get hoses, and then take one of the back about the same distance as you did the first!! :D
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

blupinto

Sorry! I wanted to get everything in one pic! Because there are lines everywhere, just where do you want the camera to focus? I'm afraID IF i GET TOO CLOSE UP i'LL INADVERTENTLY CUT SOMETHING OUT. dRAT. i ACCIDENTALLY HIT THE 54353! CAPS LOCK BUTTON AGAIN!
One can never have too many Pintos!

pintogirl

Quote from: blupinto on January 31, 2010, 09:58:57 PM
Right side...

Actually a more close up and standing in center of the of fender would be great! I need to see where hoses are suppose to go! Although we are not going to worry about smog hoses. I just need to know what hoses are for making the motor work right!

Thanks Becky!!!
Kim
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I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

blupinto

...and left side...if you're facing the front of the car. Hope this helps!
One can never have too many Pintos!

blupinto

Right side...
One can never have too many Pintos!

pintogirl

Quote from: blupinto on January 31, 2010, 09:23:56 PM
The air cleaner's off already so if you want I can take a pic tonight. It's up to you.  ;D

No, wait till tomorrow. I would probably come out better in the day light!!!  ;D

We are done for the night anyway! Won't start back on it till hubby gets off work tomorrow!
Kim
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I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

blupinto

The air cleaner's off already so if you want I can take a pic tonight. It's up to you.  ;D
One can never have too many Pintos!

pintogirl

Quote from: blupinto on January 31, 2010, 09:14:24 PM
Would it help if I took a picture of Wildfire's engine?

We'll, I'm not sure. I have a 77 motor in a 74 car! LOL I am kind of using the 77 CW as a template, but it has issues too! LOL It's hoses and wires have been hacked on before. It is still helping a bit!

If you want to take pics tomorrow that will be fine, just take the air cleaner off and take somewhat close ups of the both side!!! :D

Thanks!
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

blupinto

Would it help if I took a picture of Wildfire's engine?
One can never have too many Pintos!

pintogirl

Well, we didn't get to much done over the weekend. I was hoping for more, but really some of it wasn't hubby's fault! LOL

Hubby suprised me after going to breakfast. He took my to the tire shop and we got a quote on some white wall tires. Hubby said that would be ok although it is the most he has ever spent on tires in a long time!! LOL We payed 240 bucks installed and balanced. THey had to order them so we went home and pulled the wheels of the car and cleaned them and then painted them black. Once we got done with that we dropped them off at the shop. I called at about 3pm and they still weren't done. Then they finally called at 4.30 and said we could pick them up. Thing was, we were busy cleaning garage and they closed in an hour. We chose to leave them there till Monday!

Then today I pulled the drums off and we decided to get new shoes and wheel cylinders. I called 2 places and neither had all the parts in stock, would have to order them. So I now have to wait till Tuesday to finish that job. Now I will have wheels back on Monday but can't put them on till Tuesday! LOL

Than FINALLY, I started working on getting the motor all hooked up!!!!

Got to protect those fenders!!  ;D


The motor, fan, and radiator are all in and hooked up. Now it is down to just trying to figure out where some hoses and wires go!! Then finally the test of trying to start her. I'm hopeing that will be tomorrow, but it is hard to say! Hubby works at his own pace! LOL



Oh, and in the pic above, I have hoses going to places they don't go! LOL I was just hooking hoses anywhere! LOL We need to figure out what is smog related and plug that stuff off.  I'm going to go buy some plugs so things look neat!! I hate when you see hoses with screws screwed to them! LOL

Getting closer!!!!!  ;D
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

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blupinto

Hmmm... The engine is from a '77, a year Pintos had catalytic converters.  Radiator hoses are pretty straightforward, but the vacuum lines have always confounded me. Ask the experts! lol. If WF could be there, at least her engine compartment could be a guide. Well, Juju sent that it'll all work out... this weekend! lol.
One can never have too many Pintos!

pintogirl

It's just the stock fan, but yah we will make sure it isn't to close! Yah, the engine is all bolted in and the drivetrain is all hooked up. Just a matter of hooking all the life lines up! Hoses, vacuum lines, and little stuff like that. It's not just a simple plug and play though. We took a 74 motor out and put in a 77 so some things don't exactly match up, as far as I know. I havn't got into it that much yet. Working the crazy hours I work durring the week, I don't spend much time out in the garage. It may be easier then I am portraying??

I am hoping I can talk hubby into working on it tomorrow, that way I can help and hubby's friend won't be here!

I'll let you know how it goes tomorrow night! LOL
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

blupinto

Kimmy, does she have a flex fan or her normal fan? If it's a flex one be careful when you install the radiator hose (top). Last year I bought brand-new hoses for Wildfire and two days after installation the hose got a leak. On inspection it showed that the hose was close enough to the fan blades to eat a hole in the hose. That was almost $20 out the window. Is the ebgine bolted in and attached to the drivetrain? Again, too bad I don't live nearby.  :D C'mon Hubby! Help the wife out!!! lol.
One can never have too many Pintos!

pintogirl

Quote from: blupinto on January 29, 2010, 10:31:37 PM
Well!? Did she fire up? Inquiring minds want to know! lol.

They didn't work on  her tonight!  >:(  She still needs hoses and stuff hooked up. I'm hoping hubby will work on her over the weekend!
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

blupinto

Well!? Did she fire up? Inquiring minds want to know! lol.
One can never have too many Pintos!

pintogirl

Well, not much to report, but I figured I would report it anyway! LOL

The motor is in and on it's way to being all hooked up!



I'm hoping we will have it ready to fire up tonight!!! Then we need to check brakes and all! Also I am going to call around for some whitewall tires!!!  ;D

Will update when we get more done!!
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

TIGGER

I know how you feel Kim.  My mom bought my 67 Mustang coupe new in Oregon.  We moved from Oregon to Idaho in 1975ish.  For the first couple years my mom kept the Oregon plates and just updated them when we would visit my Grandparents.  Around the third year she broke down and got the Idaho plates and tucked the original Oregon plates away.  We moved the car back to Oregon in 82.  Mom gave me the car in 85 for my 14th birthday.  I started to fix it up then.  It was road worthy in 87 so out came the original Oregon plates and we went to the DMV.  Aparently in Oregon, once the car moves out of state, they wipe the record from the computer.  Eventhough nobody else had that plate number, the DMV would not let me register the car with the original plates.  I could not even register it as an antique because it was not officially 20 years old then.  I had to wait till the end of the calander year for it to be 20 years old in the mind of the DMV and that was not going to happen.  After being shot down at two different DMV offices, I decided to see if I could get personalized plates for the car with my old number.  Instead of getting the plates, I would use my original ones?  I went to a small office and lucked out.  The lady I got knew what I wanted to do and made it work in the system.  I had to pay for personalized plates initially but when I renew the tags, I pay for the standard plate fee instead of the personalized fee.  I was so happy.

Good luck to you......
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pintogirl

Today we tried to get the Squire registered back into CA. Fred had a title only done in AZ. I am trying to keep the blue and yellow original CA plates on it.

I had it verified with the plates on the car so at least that will hopefully help. I was a complete idiot and forgot the verification form at home!! UGGGHHH. So that set me back!

I also found out that I will need to make photo copys of the license plate and add that paper to all the paperwork I have. I'm also going to make a photo copy of the last registration showing the plates were registered to the car back in 98. (all though they have that info LOL) I figure any and all stuff I can send will help!

Anyway, so now I have to wait till next Wed. (that is the appt. time for the tow yard, no long lines that way lol) and take the AZ pink with info on the back, copy of license plate, copy of old reg, and verification form all back to DMV. Then they will have to send all that paperwork into DMV Headquarters. Headquarters then has to decide if they will allow me to keep the blue plates! I have no idea how long that process takes, but DMV lady told me to wait till next Wed. to get moving permit sticker. It will be good for 3 months. If I got it today, it would only be good for the rest of this month I guess! Didn't quite get that, but I figured I would wait. Pinto isn't drivable right now anyway! LOL Hopefully it will be by next week! I had planned on it all ready being ready, but a bad flex plate has held me back!

So everyone send good ju ju for having DMV approve my blue plates!!!! I would much rather keep them then have to go to the white plates!

Ok, now, I have to do a little rant.  Why in the world is it so hard to assign plates that are already made, and in one's possession, back onto a car?? ?? I mean if we have plates and they are both in good condition, what is the big deal? I would think it would save money and resources for making a new plate. I mean, wouldn't that fall under "recycling"  ?

Ok, rant over!

Stay tuned....!!!

Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

pintogirl

Ok, so I am bored and I thought what better thing to do then to update my thread! LOL Although not much of an update! Again, just bored! LOL

Today I attempted to get the last screw out of the roof rack, and failed again! LOL

I also waxed the hood and bumper areas. Then our friend that owns a Radiator shop came over and I gave him 2 radiators. He asked if I wanted them both fixed, I said if they were worth fixing. He said it was free, might as well!! LOL So I said sure fix them both!! LOL

So tomorrow I should have the flex plate, I hope, and then by mid week I should have the radiators back. Wed. is also the day we go and register the car(s). So I am hoping to take Bella out for a test drive by Friday!!!!

Ok, done with the bored update!! LOL
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

pintogirl

Quote from: pintosopher on January 17, 2010, 01:16:32 PM
Kim ,
Would that be like a Rolling cage around the whole car or a "rotisserie" that bolt up in place of the Bumpers?  Rotisseries are less complex and use less space. Besides you can "roast " other food items at a BBQ  :lol:

Pintosopher....

LOL, actually yes, that is what he was going to make for the Minor! It was going to bolt the hubs of the wheels though! Then it would have gone all the way around the car so we could roll it over and fix the floors from the bottom!! LOL
Kim
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Sacramento CA

Pintosopher

Quote from: pintogirl on January 17, 2010, 12:45:08 PM


I thought of that, but the roof rack already has a dent in it and I didn't want to make it worse! LOL That and hubby was planning on doing that with the Morris Minor about 10 years ago! I'm still waiting for him to build the "roll" cage for it. Don't want to wait 10 years or more for him to build one for the Pinto!!! LOL

Kim ,
Would that be like a Rolling cage around the whole car or a "rotisserie" that bolt up in place of the Bumpers?  Rotisseries are less complex and use less space. Besides you can "roast " other food items at a BBQ  :lol:

Pintosopher....
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

Check my Pinto Poems out...

pintogirl

Quote from: smallfryefarm on January 17, 2010, 08:05:47 AM

   

I only got the back half of the patch sewed in tonight! I will finish it tomorrow! Last time I did a headliner like this all in one night, my wrists hurt for a week! LOL It's hard to sew upside down! LOL



Kim why didnt you just turn the car over?  ::)



I thought of that, but the roof rack already has a dent in it and I didn't want to make it worse! LOL That and hubby was planning on doing that with the Morris Minor about 10 years ago! I'm still waiting for him to build the "roll" cage for it. Don't want to wait 10 years or more for him to build one for the Pinto!!! LOL
Kim
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I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

Starsky and Hutch

Kim why didn't you just turn the car over? Cause she did`nt have the key she was using a sewing needle...... :hypno:
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I only got the back half of the patch sewed in tonight! I will finish it tomorrow! Last time I did a headliner like this all in one night, my wrists hurt for a week! LOL It's hard to sew upside down! LOL
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Kim why didnt you just turn the car over?  ::)
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blupinto

Quote from: dga57 on January 16, 2010, 12:23:34 AM
It's hard to do most thing upside down!!! :lol:

Dwayne :smile:


Unless you're a bat! lol Or a sloth!  :lol:
One can never have too many Pintos!

dga57

It's hard to do most thing upside down!!! :lol:

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

pintogirl

Not much to update tonight!

  Tranny guy had to order a flex plate and it won't be here till Monday! So the engine and tranny get to sit out a few more days!

I did take out the old stereo and put in one of my old cassette decks!  ;D I wouldn't have done it if the old one would have worked ok, but the volume was staticky when trying to adjust it! It was an old Clarion though and I thought it was pretty neat. Oh well!

Here's the deck I put in!



Hubby bought it for me about 10 years ago! I love purple and had to have this deck. I had it on my Buick for a while, but pulled it out when I sold it and it has been sitting on the shelf since!

Then I had to drag out the sewing machine!



Made me a patch!



I only got the back half of the patch sewed in tonight! I will finish it tomorrow! Last time I did a headliner like this all in one night, my wrists hurt for a week! LOL It's hard to sew upside down! LOL
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

pintogirl

Yah, that is bath water! LOL Although I have been waxing her and she is coming out very nicely! I need to put some more umph into it, but I think she will be nice and shiney in the end!!! She is going to be a real nice driver.

The other engine was fried! The PO drove it home with no water in the radiator and it just got to hot. It still turned over, but had no compression or had compression leaks, can't remember what hubby called it! LOL

We are currently trying to find a flex/flux (?) plate. The one that was originally on the tranny had bolt holes that were not quite round anymore! LOL

Will update when something else happens! LOL

Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

blupinto

Kimmy, she really is a beauty. I still wish she were mine...

    What was wrong with the old engine? I see there's no kicking filly in the door inner panels. Is she really that shiny or is that the bath water? I'm a little (okay ALOT!)  jealous! lol.


Did I email you that woodgrain info from the Hemmings Getting Started magazine insert?
One can never have too many Pintos!

pintogirl

Today I managed to pressure wash the motor and the engine bay! Then I was able to paint the motor. It has been drying for the last hour or so, so I am hoping we can start putting things back on it tonight!!

Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA