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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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Starliner

heck yaa, do it    :2fast4u:
Some notes on the V6 Mustang http://www.caranddriver.com/news/car/09q4/2011_ford_mustang_v6-official_photos_and_info   
OK, now think about throwing away the boat-anchor Mustang shell and having this in your light weight Pinto?   
1973 Pinto 1600 - Sold!  
1979 Pinto 2300 - Sold!
1984 Audi 5000 Avant - 60,000 original miles
1987 Audi 5000 S Quattro - The snowmobile
1973 Volvo 1800 ES wagon -  my project car
1976 Mustang II - Wifey's new toy

Starliner

I would consider the new 2011 Mustang 3.7 V6 that is due out this summer.   It is all aluminum and puts out 305 hp without a turbo.   It should be able to fit into the engine bay easily since 3 cylinders on a side is shorter than a four in arow.   The weight will be less than your 2300 or turbo 2300.    You keep your handling & stopping while it will be faster.   It will get fantastic gas mileage.   
The Mustang will be available in an automatic or 6 speed stick!

Here is a link http://www.autoblog.com/gallery/2011-ford-mustang-3-7-liter-v6#3 with a picture of the engine.

This will be the bread and butter engine for Mustangs and the junk yards will fill up with these from accidents.  Get the whole darn drivetrain for under 3 grand with less than 20,000 original miles.  It will cost you more to do any other option and no other option will be as reliable.

I plan to do this to my 72 Volvo 1800ES now over the V8.
1973 Pinto 1600 - Sold!  
1979 Pinto 2300 - Sold!
1984 Audi 5000 Avant - 60,000 original miles
1987 Audi 5000 S Quattro - The snowmobile
1973 Volvo 1800 ES wagon -  my project car
1976 Mustang II - Wifey's new toy

Pintosopher

Quote from: dave1987 on December 04, 2009, 01:53:38 AM
I would do fuel injection.

I hope to do fuel injection to mine some day, but I can't figure out if I will need to do head work, or if I can just leave my head on there and change the intake and add the computer and sensors....

Then there's the hood clearance issue... :(

Leave the head, on the Engine, use a IR style manifold with sidedraft style Throttle Bodies and all the hardware. Then you car  can run "stacks" and get a Wonderful  growl. Air box is easy to fix too! U have your cake and Eat it too! No hood issues!
Pintosopher
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

Check my Pinto Poems out...

dholvrsn

I wonder what Mr. Huber's secret is behind the milage and performance?

Although it's probably that adjustable Megasquirt setu-up instead of just running a plain old XR4Ti ECU.

My turbo Pinto is either underwhelming or my expectations were too high. Or maybe I just need to tune or tweak it better than I have so far.
'80 MPG Pony, '80-'92
'79 porthole wagon, '06-on
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'51 Studebaker Commander Starlight
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'41 Studebaker Commander Land Cruiser

Matt Culpepper

Quote from: skunky56 on December 01, 2009, 11:34:21 PM
Did you see the new Hot Rod mag this month Hensley's 2.3 Turbo mustang 1000 BHP and 25 MPG...

Thats Jon Huber  ;)

dave1987

I would do fuel injection.

I hope to do fuel injection to mine some day, but I can't figure out if I will need to do head work, or if I can just leave my head on there and change the intake and add the computer and sensors....

Then there's the hood clearance issue... :(
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

popbumper

Enough feedback to put me against the race motor option - gonna stick with a stock block and get some head work done, do a little intake and exhaust stuff. Nothing exotic for now.

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

71pintoracer

Hmmm, tough decision, but I for sure would steer clear of the ex race car engine. 510 cam, big valves, on pump gas? ???
Too much cam for the street. (ask me how I know)
If your original engine is in good shape, you could hop it up a little and have a good reliable car. A Holley 350 will bolt to the stock intake, add a header and a super trapp muffler, bump up to the next size cam (420) and some good valve springs and anti-pump up lifters or even a stock roller and an adjustable cam pulley and you have a hot 4-banger that will smoke the tires but still get decent gas mileage (if you can keep your foot out of it!)  ;D
If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?

skunky56

Wiring is not a problem,you leave the stock wiring intact install a early model TC,GT/SVO or any Merkur harness, plug and play hook up one main power wire a few grounds and your running many of us can help out if your interested. I'm in the process of building two engines right now and plan on installing one in my 80 and the other in the Starsky car.I'm toying with the Volvo DOHC head on the second engine. There is plenty of help out here if you ask.http://www.turbopinto.com/index.php?topic=7.0 check this link out maybe it will help you make your mind up.


Paul
77 Starsky/Hutch 2.3 Turbo A4OD Sunroof
78 Wagon V6 C3

turbo74pinto

the turbo will force air through piping and/or intercooler into a hat which is sealed to the top of the carborator. so the turbo is forcing air, or "blowing through", the carborator.  early fox bodies had a draw through set up in which the turbo was after the carb and would compress the air/fuel after the carb...kinda like a roots style blower. i guess the draw through had problems.  but, ive never played with or used one so i dont know first hand.

and as dholvrsn said, the efi isnt that bad.  plus, isnt it nice jumping in your fuel injected car at anytime and having act the same?  no matter how humid or cold or hot it is?  no fouled plugs, no flooding, better power, better fuel economy, no waiting to warm up...etc.  the wiring hastle pays off i think.   

the power you gain from putting the stock car motor would probably yield less power than a stock 88 turbo coupe motor (190hp/240ft/lbs) with worse drivabilaty and fuel milage.

bob
Take a job big or small, do it right or not at all.

popbumper

Thanks all - I guess I also should have noted that the owner told me that the motor will run on pump fuel, so I don't believe the compression ratio is steep.

Blow through carb setup? This is where my inexperience shows - that's greek to me.

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

dholvrsn

'80 MPG Pony, '80-'92
'79 porthole wagon, '06-on
'80 trunk model. '17-on
-----
'98 Dodge Ram 1500
'95 Buick Riviera
'63 Studebaker Champ
'57 Studebaker Silver Hawk
'51 Studebaker Commander Starlight
'47 Studebaker Champion
'41 Studebaker Commander Land Cruiser

Turbo Toy

I agree that the turbo is the way to go. There are lots of sites that can get you throught the wiring issues and there are even plug and play harnesses available. If you don't want to go the EFI route, you can always do a blow through setup with a carb and keep all of the stock ignition wiring. All you would need for that, motor wise, is a set of forged pistons, a turbo exhaust manifold and a little bit of plumbing from the turbo to the carb. You may want to rework the carb a little, but even that can be avoided with low boost. Just a suggestion.

turbo74pinto

Quote from: popbumper on December 01, 2009, 08:48:32 PM
2) Turbo - cute, but I don't want to deal with the computer and harness crap

why not go with a blow through carb set up?  no wires, no computer.  just a carb with a hat, and some piping.

bob
Take a job big or small, do it right or not at all.

75bobcatv6

I'd go with the 2.3T or the V6. wouldn't get the Modded Engine from the Race car. too much Fuel consumption. I don't mind 18mpg from the V6. hell even the 3.8 gets pretty decent Gas mileage. You would sink about as much as you paid for the mini stock into making the motor reliable for street use i think. Get the 2.3t from a Junkyard for about 400 or so or locally from someone and Sort out the wiring, TONS of people on here have done it and are offering the support to help you get it done. Go for broke if your gonna do it lol. my .02 cents

skunky56

Chris, Pro is right if you put in a mini stock monster where will you find the race fuel it needs to run correctly? Forget about good fuel mileage and the power increase will be nill compared to a stock turbo ...Just think with a few light mods to it you can have high HP and still pull 25-30MPG. Did you see the new Hot Rod mag this month Hensley's 2.3 Turbo mustang 1000 BHP and 25 MPG...the wiring is no sweat will help you when the time comes..
Just my .02$ Paul :evil:
77 Starsky/Hutch 2.3 Turbo A4OD Sunroof
78 Wagon V6 C3

Pinto Pro

Honestly, you'd be better off just putting up with the headache of the computer & wiring harness and run a stock turbo motor!!

popbumper

As anyone who is following my project thread knows, my motor and tranny are out. This is that time where I need to really assess what I am going to do powerplant wise as I restore the engine compartment. So far, here is where I am at:

1) V8 - nix, I don't want to change the driveability
2) Turbo - cute, but I don't want to deal with the computer and harness crap
3) V6 - strongly considered but a poor following and little aftermarket speed parts/support

....leaving me a 4 banger. OK, with a 4 I can:

4) Stay stock - boring. It would be a cheap route, but why pull a car completely apart only to make it exactly like it was - after several thousands of $$.
5) Build the 4, make it streetable - yup, lots of aftermarket goodies, no messing with the alterations of a V8, and the 2.3 is a strong little motor. Horsepower gains can be reasonable, not building a race car.

OK - now, speaking of race car, I know a guy who has a mini-stock Pinto for sale. I could care LESS about the body, what I am after is the motor. Here is how it's described:
Stock intake
Motorcraft carb (nothing special about intake)
Electric fuel pump
Adj cam pulley
Crane Cam (.510 lift IIRC)
Solid lifters 10 + 10
Oversized valves
Port and polish job
.040 over
New rings and bearings
Flat top pistons
Oval port head
Mustang rear end, welded axles, 3.45 gears
Raced mostly around 7500 RPM, motor did not have many races on it.


Whole car - $1000 (mind you, it's a ministock, all stripped out, nothing of value in interior or anything). NOW - I have TWO 2.3 blocks (my original - 65k, was running fine, all stock), and a second long block that supposedly had the head shaved and a cam added, but has not run in more than 10 years.

I am NOT a motor builder by any stretch, so I have two options:

1) Buy the ministock, use the motor, derate it in whatever required means (new cam?) to make it streetable. Most of the hard work is already done. I'd probably stick $1k in a motor anyway.

2) Take the $150 block I bought, send it to the machine shop, have them tell me what I need, discuss options and price points, and build fresh. Figure on footing $1k after all is said and done.

Thoughts, anyone? Please? Guys, again, I am no motor builder, I do not want to race my car, I want a nice street car with some pep, what would you do given the same circumstances? Thanks for your inputs.

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08