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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Thinking about a Pinto... coming from a VW Bug.

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herbie91

Yea, I get about the same with my Bug. It looks like a really nice car too, I'm hoping I can get my $$ together soon..

78cruisingwagon

Unless there has been an engine swap, they are all carb. The Holley (built under license from Weber) 5200. You'll have no problems. That Pinto looks great. I'm jealous! My 76 Wagon with 100,000 miles got 19mpg in town and 25 on the HWY. Yours will do better.

herbie91

Back again guys,

Well, winter is here for sure. I'm making some money (working my butt off), But first I have to pay off my car insurance. Then I owe my mom 200$. after I get though the 700$ I owe, I plan to go pick up the Pinto, hopefully before the end of December. My largest fear is that someone will purchase it before me.  :hypno:

The first think I want to do with it is put some racing/better rims on it.
Tell me, What looks good?

BTW, do you think this model is carbureor or FI?

Chat soon,

Ryley

pintoman2.0

Hey Herbie,

If you are still toying with the idea of a Pinto, two things I didn't see expressed enough. Heat: every Pinto I have owned, about 20 over the years, I have about 12 (about? I don't even know how many I have) now, will cook you out on a winter day. I like my sun roofs so you can get some fresh air too. Snow: Pinto's have been the only car I will drive in the snow. I have an 80 mile a day commute and I never miss a day of work when it snows. They are also great for four wheelin' in the mud 'n' stuff.

P

pintogirl

Quote from: rear ended on September 29, 2009, 05:07:21 PM
About the coolest thing about the VW bug is that you get to drive around watching everyone in the oncoming lane punch each other.  :lol: PunchBuggy!!!!!!!!  :accident: Might be a pretty good reaosn to own one.

LOL we call it Slug Bug!!  ;D
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

Norman Bagi

About the coolest thing about the VW bug is that you get to drive around watching everyone in the oncoming lane punch each other.  :lol: PunchBuggy!!!!!!!!  :accident: Might be a pretty good reaosn to own one.

pintogirl

Quote from: hellfirejim on September 29, 2009, 06:14:23 AM
WARNING:::::::Pinto are addictive....I have one and possibly another soon.

don't say we didn't warn you.  :hypno:     :lol:

I second that!!!! I wanted 1, currently I own 5 but had 8 all together!!!  :hypno: ;D
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

hellfirejim

WARNING:::::::Pinto are addictive....I have one and possibly another soon.

don't say we didn't warn you.  :hypno:     :lol:
It's a good day to be alive!
PCCA Pinto Number #385


blupinto

That is a beautiful car. If you're still feeling the Pinto bug (no pun intended), I would jump on this one. It sounds like she's mechanically sound, she looks to be in excellent shape, and good-running Pintos make great and interesting daily drivers.  ;D
One can never have too many Pintos!

dholvrsn

This thread probably influenced me dreaming that I bought a red two-door square headlight Pinto last night.....  ::)
'80 MPG Pony, '80-'92
'79 porthole wagon, '06-on
'80 trunk model. '17-on
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dholvrsn

Hey '80! My favorite year! And square headlights! May favorite style!
'80 MPG Pony, '80-'92
'79 porthole wagon, '06-on
'80 trunk model. '17-on
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'98 Dodge Ram 1500
'95 Buick Riviera
'63 Studebaker Champ
'57 Studebaker Silver Hawk
'51 Studebaker Commander Starlight
'47 Studebaker Champion
'41 Studebaker Commander Land Cruiser

jwise12345

aww man, if it were up to me, I'd never let that pinto see snow. Looks like its cherry from the pics. but hey, it's not up to me. Just voicing my opinion. Anyways nice find!

herbie91

Hey guys!

Well I never did end up buying the Pinto. I had to fox the Bug first. But the Pinto is for sale again. and its pretty tempting. Here are some pictures of the car. It looks like rust is not en issue. And its been on a 2 hour drive to Maine and back with no problems. New steering rack, ball joints, master cylinder, carpet, plugs, wires, rotor, cap. Looks like a lot of work has been done to the Pinto. I think this would be a great daily driver.







Anyways, hopefully I will go look at it later this week and hopefully purchase it!

discolives78

Yes, the explosion problem was over-rated and sensationalized. There were less than 30 documented accidental explosions out of 3.5 million Pintos. There is a 75 in the classifieds here with rear-damage and no explosion (with photos) to help ease your mind. The wagon was never part of the threat, as the gas tank was in a slightly different spot under the car. Your chances of surviving a head-on or rear-ender with a loaded 80,000 pound semi are about the same whether it is your bug, a Pinto, or a newer Hyundai. Wear your seatbelt and watch where you and everyone else are on the road. My rule of thumb: Whoever is bigger has the right-of-way!

As far as heat, that's what brought me to a Pinto from a 72 Super Beetle. It is important to make sure the cooling system is up to snuff though, as the antifreeze runs through the heater core to provide heat.

Gas mileage will be about the same as your Bug.

Traction in snow: use good Mud+Snow rated tires (or if you live in a part of the country that allows it, Studded snow tires). You may also want to add a few bags of sand to the trunk to add some weight for traction. That's what I did when I lived in PA.

Hoping you'll join the Pinto ranks! :welcome:

Chuck :afro:


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

pintogirl

Quote from: rear ended on July 21, 2009, 02:20:23 PMthey are highly addictive, alot of these guys have more than just one.


Nah not addicting at all! I only have 5 right now, 6 in 4 more days!!!! LOL ;D
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

Norman Bagi

The car is alot more solid than most, especially the newer cars.  The explosion reputation is highly overated, if you do the research you will find the story broadcast by 60 minutes was doctored, they used an external ignition source to create the explosion, this came out years later but the damage had been done. Economy cars in the 70's had to contend with very heavy cars of the 50's 60's and 70's, so in the size to weight ratio the statistics of any accidents between an economy car and a family car or wagon were not pretty.  What was not broadcast was that the mid sized Japanese cars of the day had a much higher fatality rate than the American three (Vega, Pinto, Gremlin) all of which were very close in numbers in terms of deaths per million cars sold.  What they didn't tell you were the fatality rates of the Japanese economy cars, these I still cannot find because as I understand it, they were not talied because the numbers were so high. In a head on collision, I would take my Pinot over a Prelude any day of the week. Do not be surprised if you Pinto becomes your favorite car, they are highly addictive, alot of these guys have more than just one.

phils toys

weclome
blue covered it very well  gas tank recall  fixed the early ones and factory fixed the later ones
rust  floor boards and rear quarters
heat  great my 76 wagon does as well if not better than my 96
i have not driven mine in the snow  but there are a few that use them as daily drivers even in the snow. alot if time it is juat as much a tire problem  for snow so i would recomend good winter tires  for the snow.
phil
2006, 07,08 ,10 Carlisle 3rd stock pinto 4 years same place
2007 PCCA East Regional Best Wagon
2008 CAHS Prom Coolest Ride
2011,2014 pinto stampede

blupinto

Hi there Herbie!  :welcome: to our crazy little world!

#1- The fuel tank issue dealt with '71-'76 sedans/Runabouts. The tank was situated where if there were a rear-ender to the Pinto the tank could a) hit the differential and/or bolts and rupture, and/or b) the filler neck could pull out, both resulting in leaking fuel- bad news in a crash. I believe most of those years Pintos were recalled and a plastic shield fitted between the gas tank and differential housing. An '80 Pinto already has a reconfigured tank so it should be ok.

#2- Ahh rust. I believe in the snow areas the combination of water and road salt is what does floorboards, trunks and other underside areas in. There are a lot of folks here who know how to fabricate new floorboards and other stuff. I guess it depends on the extent of rust. You're in luck if the car spent most of its life in Cali or the desert. My '73 wagon spent a heap of time in the mountains near here so she also has some rust issues on the roof (where the luggage rack slats are) and possibly on both doors (they're primered, but the window sweeps are in real bad shape).

#3- Heat- in the engine or the heater? The engine depends on your radiator's overall health- no leaks, clogs, messed up jackets; the thermostat; the fluid (right kind, right mix, right amount, not too rusty, etc.); no air pockets in the cooling system; hoses and clamps in good shape,... did I forget something? I don't think Pintos were especially known to have overheating problems historically.

   I'm sure I missed something but my fellow Pintoholics can correct me and/or add to this. Good luck with your (hopefully) "new" baby! You might just catch the Pinto "bug" like you have the Bug "bug"!  ;D
One can never have too many Pintos!

herbie91

I'm new to Pinto's. Well actually, my uncle had one which he loaned to costumers to his car repair shop. it was blue and backfired in third.

But I have come across a 1980 Pinto. Looks pretty clean but I haven't seen it in person. Bottom line is a need a car for the winter, so I don't ruin my 1967 Volkswagen Bug. (thats what I'm into... Bugs) I wanted an older car, but still good on fuel. The Pinto seems to be a good choice.

Obviously there is a safety problem. But hey! what am I worried about, I drive a BUG! But seriously, I know these cars have a reputation and this car seems to be pretty stock. Is there anything i should do the the car/gas tank/bumpers?

Where are the problems areas? like the bugs have floors that rust... how about the Pintos'? where do they rust? And finally, is this a good idea? are they good in the snow or am I out of my mind and should keep looking? and hows the heat? (if you have owned a bug you would understand this question)

Thankyou!