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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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How about Allis Chalmers orange with creme and black boy racer stripes of the broad '70s "geometric graphics" type?

ERRR...No.

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dholvrsn

How about Allis Chalmers orange with creme and black boy racer stripes of the broad '70s "geometric graphics" type? :o
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I have never looked at the MKVIII rear, but it shares some parts with the Cobra, with the cradle being different(AFAIK). The TBird and Explorer IRSs also are options.

I got a 1980 Pinto wagon to do the mods on, I'm planning to make a Pinchero fifth wheel tow truck, a custom sized fifth wheel trailer and leave my 79 untouched(alright, maybe a nice set of rims and tires)to tow around to shows. All will be eye-searing yellow and white stripes, maybe with matching wheels and tires(if you are going to dream, dream big :sleep:).

Grumpy 8)
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hellfirejim

I am posting to find out mhere you are with this as i am interested.  I am thinking about a mark VIII rear that comes out from the car in it's own mounting cradel with I believe four bolts.

Any way i am still interested in what you are doing???

jim
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hellfirejim

I see that you and I got our garages at the same place except you got the delux version with "walls".  That motor is sweet looking.


jim

PS: that is my ranger work bench on the right....

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The doner...



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Grumpy

OK, here goes.

I got the pictures and put them on Photobucket...

http://s739.photobucket.com/albums/xx36/robertdbreedlove/







Hopefully, it is all working now.

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71hotrodpinto

Quote from: Grumpy on July 02, 2009, 05:35:34 PM

Going to start this thrash by pulling the engine out of my 93 SHO. It's an automatic, but the 3.0 flywheel and cluth will work. Have to figure out how to drill a pilot bearing hole in the crankshaft, the MTX didn't require one, but the T5 does.

I've decided not to try to build a NA motor, parts are too scarce and expensive. Instead, I will rebuild the SHO stock except for some 8.5 compression ratio forged pistons and 3.0 cams. Then I will either turbocharge it or put a Paxton blower on it. With the lower compression and the right size turbo(8-15 lbs) the engine is good for an easy 400 hp and will do that for an extremely long time. And if 400 isn't enough the stock block is good to 600 or so with forged pistons.

Grumpy 8)

I was talking about this on another thread but ill mention it here. The Focus SVT ztec engine had 175 hp and there is a bellhousing that will take the T5.http://quad4rods.com/index.php?page=shop.browse&category_id=3&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=100041

I say if your not afraid of a "little" fabrication and the oil pan is an issue then  just clearance out the crossmember and add reinforcing with some carfully placed tubing. Square or round.
You sound like a fun guy to watch as you get on with this project!
Cant wait to hear more.


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Well, it got here, but too late to take any pictures. Will work on that this weekend, plus some of the SHO motor doner and my spacious garage. I'm going to get my son to set up a photo account and everything.

(I think this is gonna be AWESOME) :hypno:

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hellfirejim

Now you are talking 400hp naw just build it for 600hp.  Remember you don't have to put your foot to the floor... yea right!!!! :lol:

i understand the excitment of getting the new parts. i have done it twice, motor and trans. 

Take lots of pictures and keep us informed.
jim
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Yellow Freight called today, my Cobra IRS is in Arden NC, ready for me to pick up. Going to get it tommorrow, YAY!~!!

I've been doing a little research and the 17 inch 2003 Cobra back wheels are 10 inches wide, with a back space of 6.38 inches, the front are 9 inches wide and 5.75 inches backspace. I think they will go under the stock wheelwells!!! Though I may end up spacing the fronts out about an inch or so, due to the different geometry of the front end(manual steering must be carefully balanced as far as tire contact area).

Going to start this thrash by pulling the engine out of my 93 SHO. It's an automatic, but the 3.0 flywheel and cluth will work. Have to figure out how to drill a pilot bearing hole in the crankshaft, the MTX didn't require one, but the T5 does.

I've decided not to try to build a NA motor, parts are too scarce and expensive. Instead, I will rebuild the SHO stock except for some 8.5 compression ratio forged pistons and 3.0 cams. Then I will either turbocharge it or put a Paxton blower on it. With the lower compression and the right size turbo(8-15 lbs) the engine is good for an easy 400 hp and will do that for an extremely long time. And if 400 isn't enough the stock block is good to 600 or so with forged pistons.

Grumpy 8)
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smallfryefarm

this is going to be a very intrusting build cant wait to see it unfold.
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I need a 5 speed and bellhousing from one of these, or at least the bellhousing.

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75bobcatv6

Quote from: 289pinto on June 30, 2009, 07:04:05 PM
Hey now, I got 17's and think they look great! Sounds like a fun project. It will be the smoothest riding pinto around! :surprised:

289 its Just personal preference, and what i like. I think yours is a sharp car dont get me worng, but I wouldnt go that big myself. my 1997 nissan had 19's for Show and 17's for track

Grumpy

289pinto

QuoteIt will be the smoothest riding pinto around!

Ah, but I also want to come back from a trip down my favorite curvy road with sore neck muscles as well as a big smile! My goal is a 250-300 hp corner carver. I spent(or misspent) a lot of my youth making Pintos handle. At that time we were limited to about 100 hp at best, but I have personnally embarrassed several "sports" cars(911s, BMWs, Corvettes and Mustangs)while going downhill, only to be passed on the next uphill stretch. That's why I am so picky about weight, especially in the front. The rear end(IRS) does weight more than the stock rear, but it's in the back and will offset any weight in the front.

I found a set of Front Discs from a 2003 Cobra, exactly like my IRS.

Also found a Hydroboost brake system. From a Cobra.

All I will have to do is get a set of front hubs and a Caliper mounting braket set.

I got bad news about the Rover engine, the block is not rebuildable. So I have to think about how to make an oilpan that will allow the SHO motor to go in. The good thing is I have the whole car, computers, wiring and all.

Grumpy 8)
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289pinto

Hey now, I got 17's and think they look great! Sounds like a fun project. It will be the smoothest riding pinto around! :surprised:
1978 Pinto wagon, 289, 8" rear, 17" cobra R rims

75bobcatv6

16's will clear the rear calipers. giving you about 1/2 to 3/4 in space to the rim. should be enough eh? 17's just dont look too good on a pinto

hellfirejim

Quote from: Grumpy on June 29, 2009, 09:36:57 PM
hellfirejim

The Pinto is standard at 55.8", the IRS is 60.3" a difference of 4.5" or 2.25 per side. Careful measuring for selection of tires and wheels should be enough. Even on the 2003 mustang the IRS is about 3.0" wider than the straight axle. Tasteful steel flares may be necessary, but the rear of a Pinto will take large tires easily. I'll actually be limited by the size of tire I can put on the Front, as there may be a little stagger in the sizes between front/rear, I want them to be balanced and functional in the handling of the car.

I'll need to update the brakes, change them to 5 lug and get wheels and tires all at the same time as I change the rear end. I hope we will all be surprised by how simple and straight forward this swap will be :rolleye: (or at least I hope)

Grumpy 8)

That seems reasonable.  I think offset should handle the tire issue.  Also with my measuring a 28" tall tire should fit and perhaps more if you use the bfh to adjust things. :lol:

Are you going to go to a straight swap over to 5 lugs or are you going to go to a larger disc package?   If you are going to a straight 5 lug swap then speedway has new rotors that are 5 lug, simple swap.  However I have the feeling that you are going to go to bigger discs to match the rear.  And now that i thnk on it more I would be pretty sure that you are going to have to go to at least 16 and maybe 17" wheels to clear the calipers...

Either way I am most interested in this swap so please keep this post updated....
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hellfirejim

The Pinto is standard at 55.8", the IRS is 60.3" a difference of 4.5" or 2.25 per side. Careful measuring for selection of tires and wheels should be enough. Even on the 2003 mustang the IRS is about 3.0" wider than the straight axle. Tasteful steel flares may be necessary, but the rear of a Pinto will take large tires easily. I'll actually be limited by the size of tire I can put on the Front, as there may be a little stagger in the sizes between front/rear, I want them to be balanced and functional in the handling of the car.

I'll need to update the brakes, change them to 5 lug and get wheels and tires all at the same time as I change the rear end. I hope we will all be surprised by how simple and straight forward this swap will be :rolleye: (or at least I hope)

Grumpy 8)
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hellfirejim

This is a fascinating project.  Please keep us informed as to how it is going and what you do.  Of course pictures would be cool.

Knowing that you can do anything if you work smart enough the first question I would ask is the width of the IRS.  It would seem a little wide.  what are you going to do about that?
jim
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Mike Modified

Now THIS sounds really interesting!

Impatiently waiting for the next report.   ;D

Mike

Grumpy

I intend to build the Ford Pinto as I WISH they had built them!!!

I'm not a rich guy, but I have saved 10,000 dollars to complete this car(excluding my own labor and of those I can bribe(beer and food work well)

I paid 5,000 dollars on the car itself(plus the things I had to do like tires, belts, hoses, fuel system, etc.)

I paid 1300 for the 2003 Mustang Cobra IRS, I will need to upgrade the fronts and the Master cylinder to match and get some wheels and tires that will fit over 13 inch brakes and fill the stock wheelwells. Stock ride heigth will be retained, but I may have to go to Airbag springs.



I have a complete running SHO 3.2...

...and a Rover 3.9 in need of a rebuild. The crank broke so it doesn't cost a lot more to put a stroker kit in it for 4.8. Rimmer Bros. have it balanced, the longer 6.0" rods and pistons(+.020)and all bearings and gaskets for about 1800.

The heads will be ported and smoothed, as will the manifolds(extrude hone, maybe).

...Or I could put a Ford SHO 3.2 with manual or stage three cams, headers and reprogramming or Mega-squirt in it. I already have a lot of it, but this motor is at least 120 lbs. heavier than the Rover, and the Rover is a V8, not a V6, and oil pans are NOT available for the SHO.

T5 trans in either case, the T56 is just too big and heavy, and the T5+the 3.55 will be near perfect for a car that will only see the high side of 80 on the track or drag strip.

So, the rear end is on the way, I have to go to Arden to pick it up. When it arrives, I will get some pics up, and away we go!

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