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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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non profit

I know I cant figure that out either.

turbopinto72

Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

non profit

When I first started out because I was going drag racing I thought I need to run low diff gears so I put a 4.4:1 set in I ran the car like this for some time I also road race the car and I had meetings on two weekends in a row I knew the 4.4 was no good for the circuit so I put 3.9 in and could not be bothered to change them for the drags so I thought I would see what difference it would make. The car was consistantly 3to 4 tenths quicker. Now I dont know what caused this wheather the car has less wheel spin with the 3.9's or it allows the motor to use the torque and pull through the gears better not sure but it is faster with the 3.9

turbopinto72

Quote from: non profit on December 16, 2004, 04:04:38 PM
My best 1/8 time is 9.08 last time out I ran 9.24. My engine is 2ltr with twin 45mm dellorto carb's 10.5 to 1 comp running premium unleaded (98octane) on street tyres I also change into 3rd just before the finish line I run a 3.9 diff with 195/60/14" tryes. I have held it in second to see if it would be faster the revs went up to about 8000rpm I say about because I was really nervous and thought it better to watch the finish line so I could back off as soon as possible and not blow everything to pieces it was slower. Peak power is at 6000rpm I usually change at 7000rpm then it drops to 5000rpm and its good on the cam changing at 6000rpm drops the revs to 4000rpm and it bogs down a bit because it has dropped of the cam.my first gear ratio is 3.656 2nd 1.97 3rd 1.37.the motor is good for 130hp at the wheels. I have been trying to run an 8.?? for years with this set up with no luck so far I would like to beat the twin cam fuel injected import cars that are turning up to the track thats why I am going the methanol injection route.
Have you thought about running a 4:30 rear gear and shifting into 3rd? The 4:30 will launch the car better and shifting into 3rd will "pull" you through the finish line insted of running it through at 8K and loosing power????  just my 2c.
Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

non profit

Bricker I been waiting to see what you thoughts were on what my car runs but no coment yet. My injection system is coming along nicely just got to order the nozzles and injector hoses have been able to source everything else locally.

non profit

My best 1/8 time is 9.08 last time out I ran 9.24. My engine is 2ltr with twin 45mm dellorto carb's 10.5 to 1 comp running premium unleaded (98octane) on street tyres I also change into 3rd just before the finish line I run a 3.9 diff with 195/60/14" tryes. I have held it in second to see if it would be faster the revs went up to about 8000rpm I say about because I was really nervous and thought it better to watch the finish line so I could back off as soon as possible and not blow everything to pieces it was slower. Peak power is at 6000rpm I usually change at 7000rpm then it drops to 5000rpm and its good on the cam changing at 6000rpm drops the revs to 4000rpm and it bogs down a bit because it has dropped of the cam.my first gear ratio is 3.656 2nd 1.97 3rd 1.37.the motor is good for 130hp at the wheels. I have been trying to run an 8.?? for years with this set up with no luck so far I would like to beat the twin cam fuel injected import cars that are turning up to the track thats why I am going the methanol injection route.   

bricker4864

My quickest 1/8 mile is 9.980, 10.0 times are more typical, 67mph.
I've got 4.62 in the rear end, 3.99 1st/2.14 2nd/ 1.42 3rd. I shift into third just before the 1/8th. If I were just running an 1/8 mile I'd cross the line in 2nd and probably be a little qicker.
Yourself?

non profit

hey bricker what times have you run over the eighth I have only run an eighth the closest 1/4 mile track is over 2.5 hours drive away  :(

bricker4864

All this alcohol/ nitro stuff is out of my league! This guy lives about 3miles down the road from me. I learned a ton from him when I switched my car over to fuel injection.
Here's his Nitro Notes http://onehotchilipepper.com/nitro/.
The main page is http://onehotchilipepper.com/

non profit

thanks for helping me out with my home work man well done
what I have been reccomened to run is this
Size #0 fuel pump
Main jet    .110
Hi-Speed    38psi
12% leakdown on the barrel valve
if you  run 10 to 15% nitro...
richen the jet .015 to.020 on first 10%.
the primary by pass valve stamped with a #4. You should run size 14 nozzles. The size #0 pump will flow 3 1/2 gallons at 4000rpm with 100psi.
the only real big difference I can see is the nozzel sizes

bricker4864

ok I looked back through your posts and came up with this:
Assumptions Made:
Peak Torque:             7500 RPM
Volumetric Efficiency:  90%
Temperature:            59*F
Barometer:                29.92"
Air Density:                100%
                                     
Facts
Fuel:                         Methanol
Cylinders:                   4
Cubic Inches:             122

Equipment
Nozzles:                    8A Hilborn
Pump:                      -0 Hilborn
Drive Ratio:               1/2
Main Pill:                   .100 Hilborn
Bypass Pill:                .041 Hilborn
Bypass Spring:           75 pounds

That gives you a 5.16 air/fuel on the main and a 5.9 air/fuel on the bypass
You are on your own with the barrel valve! The bypass spring seems heavy to me. I would think something in the 50-60 lb range more appropriate, but maybe not?
Note: If you use Kinsler pills, run a step or two richer. The radius they put on them makes them flow more, leaning out your system.
Bigger pill=leaner, smaller pill=richer.

bricker4864

I'm not sure what you're asking?
I run a -00 pump (.67 gal/min) and 4A nozzles. You pill size(among other things) determines fuel system pressure and air/fuel ratio.
I don't remember all of the pill sizes I was running at the moment, but I have a lot of them in the system.
I know a lot about pills and pressures, so try me one more time.

non profit

Hey bricker4864
How much do you know about Gallons per hour for the injector pump pill size and nozzel size for the 2ltr pinto?

non profit

Well the injection definatly wins I like the improved torque curve that you got out of it. I am concerned about the air speed and volumetric efficencey when using 4 x 2 1/8" throttle bodies. I will be using one injector per cylinder but I will put a taper in the manifold so it acts like a venturi which hope fully will increase the VE and airspeed. On the track the engine wont be under 4000rpm so fuel drop out at lower revs should not effect it to greatly 

bricker4864

It looks like crap in that little picture. If you open it in a new window, it's easier to read.

bricker4864

I ran a Holley 390 4v for a year then switched to a single Hilborn 2" throttle body. I did the math once and those two ought to have roughly the same area. My barrel valve ramp is close to but doesn't quite match up with the throttle plate opening. The throttle body is definitely touchier than the carb was, but tuning will be easier if you are running alcohol. 
At low RPMs your atomization will be less, but if you are running mechanical you probably don't do a lot of low throttle driving. If you run 1 injector (or more) per cylinder, you can run as much fuel as you want (neighbor down the street runs 2:1 AFR) and still get good atomization as long as you keep the system pressure up high enough. The fuel doesn't puddle in the manifold like a carb or throttle body injection.


Here's the graph of  carb-vs-injection on my car.

crazyhorse

If you're getting good performance with the multicarb setup then you could use an injection system that has the same diameter throats. From there if you think you need to go up in size get a system slightly larger
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non profit

if you add the total area of the throttle plates together then devide by 4 wont you have the same answer you started off with  ???

crazyhorse

ok I'm thinking (yes I know I'm not exactly equipped for that but anyways LOL) If you were running a multicarb setup you could simply find out the TOTAL area of the throttle plates then divide by 4 to get the individual throttle opening sizes. Does this make sense? or are these just insane ravings at 1:00AM?
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'95 Olds Gutless "POS"
'97 Subaru Legacy wagon "Kat"

non profit

Hi Cheapracer as far as I know 45mm webbers have a 45mm bore size which would be the same as the throttle size I just had some chokes made up they are 42mm chokes and messure 45mm on the out side and they slide in a very neat fit but also I am no expert
I still have not found out what size throttle bodies to use 4x2" may be to big as the old saying goes bigger is not always better I need to find out because its holding up the project.

CHEAPRACER

And can someone give me some info on webers and Dellortos? Is the 45 and 48mm the measurement of the venturi or the throttle size? It's been along time since high school and the old '67 baja with 44's and the 1835.
Cheapracer is my personality but you can call me Jim '74 Pinto, stock 2.3 turbo, LA3, T-5, 8" 3:55 posi, Former (hot) cars: '71 383 Cuda, 67 440 Cuda, '73 340 Dart, '72 396 Vega, '72 327 El Camino, '84 SVO, '88 LX 5.0

CHEAPRACER

Throttle body size at the end of a plenum with tuned runners for fuel injection is a different idea then a throttle body in the middle of a runner.
The first system  won't care if you put a 1000cfm throttle body on a 2.3 motor if you like an extremely touchy pedal. However, you would have to build a large set of runners to use 4-250cfm throttle bodys which would kill your velocity, ram effect and so on. I'm not a pro so this is only an opinion.
Cheapracer is my personality but you can call me Jim '74 Pinto, stock 2.3 turbo, LA3, T-5, 8" 3:55 posi, Former (hot) cars: '71 383 Cuda, 67 440 Cuda, '73 340 Dart, '72 396 Vega, '72 327 El Camino, '84 SVO, '88 LX 5.0

turbopinto72

This unit fits a Pinto 2.0L. The bore on the throttle is about 2". This is a Mechanical Hilborn unit that will handle Methanol or gas depending on the Pill you use. You can get this at Esslinger Engineering.
Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

non profit

you must be able to read my mind that looks just right I will probably be making mine and it may not look as nice but as long as it works!
What size are they? and what do they suit? what size motor?
Were they used for methanol ?
Thanks.

turbopinto72

 You mean a set up like this?
Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

non profit

Hi Guys
Dont know if this is the right place but maybe some one can help me out with some info or direct me to some where else. I want to run quad throttle bodies on a sohc 2ltr (one throat per cylinder) currently I have twin 45mm dellorto's and for an all out race motor 48s are recommended most stock efi 4 cylinders run one throttle body. I will be using the throttle bodies with a mechanical alky injection system. So the question is what size butterflys in the throttle bodies do I need? I was thinking 45mm or 48mm but I spoke to a guy and he said injection is not like carbies in that the airspeed in the carb is critical for propper fuel atomisation and because in throttle bodies the fuel is being injected in a mist you can run bigger throats and still retain good atomisation. So maybe 50mm maybe the go there maybe a formula to work this out but I dont know of one. If you have had any experience in this area your thoughts will be much appreciated.