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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

The Flying Avocado '73 wagon

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pintogirl

I went out to see what rear ends I had. Let me tell you, they are heavy! LOL I have 2 (that I can find), and one is an automatic. I actually labeled it 'auto'!! This is when I wised up when tearing cars apart. I found one other one, ( before I started marking them) but I don't know what it is. I do know that hubby just pulled a stick shift rear end out of the grey car. I just don't know if this is is, or if he has it stashed somewhere else!

Here are the numbers. Maybe one of you guy's can tell us what we have here!!

On top of the pumpkin, D12W-4025-A

On the tag, top number = Maybe? and 0 V - T DJD the last letter may be an O though, not sure.

Bottom number = 18 6  7  1212A  I'm not posetive on the 18 either. The tranny was almost upside down and I had to try to wedge it to where I could somewhat read the tag! In fact, I forgot to take the pry bar out! LOL

If this isn't a stick,  I will ask hubby tonight, where he put the stick shift one!
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

blupinto

Thank you Kim for the offer. I'll make googoo eyes at Fred to go by Sacramento. Fred... ::) :amazed: :hypno: :o :surprised: It's hard to do googoo eyes with the emoticons at hand.  :lol:
Thank you  71PR. I didn't know that about the tag. I haven't ventured underneath yet because of my dilemma of: I don't have money to get what I need, and if I pull the rear apart that's when the HOA will say I need to get it back on the driveway before I can get what I need. That darn Arnold!  >:(
One can never have too many Pintos!

71pintoracer

Kim and Becky, all of the 6.75 rears are the same as far as bolting them in. The only diff is the gear ratio. There should be a metal tag under one of the cover bolts, the ratio is stamped on it. Most were 3:18, 3:40 and 3:55. Becky did you find out where the bolt came from and most importantly, how much damage was done?
If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?

pintogirl

I have some rear ends out of 71 and 72 sedans. If we can figure out if one of mine is the same as yours, or if you can just swap the hole rear end (drum to drum) with one of mine. You can have it. Just need to get it to you. Maybe Fred will be able to come through Sacramento on his way home and pick it up and deliver it to you? Fred?  ;D

So when you find out what yours is, let me know and I will will have Bob figure out what we have. Then we will deal with getting it to you!!!!  ;D
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

75bobcatv6

If its the same size rear end the gearing might be different but the rest is the same.

blupinto

It's ok Phil... thank you for the offer anyway... :)
Ok here's a possibly ignorant (or downright dumb question)... If I found a '71 sedan could I possibly use the cover and guts if I had to on the '73 wagon, or are they two different setups based on car length, transmission, etc. ?
One can never have too many Pintos!

phils toys

i  pulled the cover and tried to clean it  now it looks like swis cheese  i counted 12 pin holes in it  so it is no good  sorry 
phil
2006, 07,08 ,10 Carlisle 3rd stock pinto 4 years same place
2007 PCCA East Regional Best Wagon
2008 CAHS Prom Coolest Ride
2011,2014 pinto stampede

blupinto

YIKES!!! I got lucky, huh?

Thank you guys, and thank you Phil for the offer. I am interested, just let me know the cost. I can't get the stuff right away (I'm already overdrawn. Thank you Mr. Governor.) but I'll be swapping eventually. I don't know what the rear end is, all I know is the car's a '73 with 4-speed manual and a 2.0 engine. Judging by the years of grease build-up on the outside I doubt the rear has ever been changed.  :-\

To think I could've had lock-up...with the dogs in the back... (shudder)...
One can never have too many Pintos!

75bobcatv6

Quote from: srt on August 05, 2009, 07:45:01 PM
ring gear bolt or a differential side bearing cap, bolt.  i had one of those caps break in half once and the result was a locked rear end and a driveshaft through the floor at freeway speed.  it really is easiest to swap in a new/used replacement

Yeah imagine that happening in an AMC Eagle wagon at 75 mph.. lo wasnt a fun night.

Srt

Quote from: blupinto on August 05, 2009, 02:53:01 PM
I know I'll have to take the differential cover off (oh what fun.) but that'll be a job for when I'm (finally!) over this dumb cold. I'm still too tired-feeling and muzzy-headed for projects like this. Now riddle me this Batman: is there any way a bolt (!?) from inside the case could've been forced through the dif case? This morning I cleaned off where the dripping was and there's (I swear!) a threaded bolt-looking thing sticking out of the dif cover. There's even a lip of metal that was peeled away when this went through. The car never lost power, had the wheels seize up, nothing- except for that dragging-metal noise I heard coming back from the park. Is this unheard of or is this not so rare for these old road warriors? Thank you for any info, though I'm expecting the worst. As they say, when it rains it pours...

ring gear bolt or a differential side bearing cap, bolt.  i had one of those caps break in half once and the result was a locked rear end and a driveshaft through the floor at freeway speed.  it really is easiest to swap in a new/used replacement
the only substitute for cubic inches is BOOST!!!

75bobcatv6

becky it sounds like one of the pinion bolts came out and got Launched into the diff cover. If so youll need to rebuild the rear end. New pinion and possibly new gears inside

phils toys

if it is a 6 3/4 rear end i have a cover  you can have  just let me know i might even have gears it needed. i think the ratio is 3:18   the rear end is still on the car   and i dont need it  the drums froze up on it from sitting so long.
phil
2006, 07,08 ,10 Carlisle 3rd stock pinto 4 years same place
2007 PCCA East Regional Best Wagon
2008 CAHS Prom Coolest Ride
2011,2014 pinto stampede

pintogirl

Quote from: blupinto on August 05, 2009, 03:28:41 PM
:lol: :lol: Lookk fast Kimmy before the s word you put in turns to zoop... :lol: :lol:

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LOL I didn't even think about it when I wrote it! LOL I just don't consider that a bad word. Maybe it was taken off the "zoop" list! LOL
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

blupinto

 :lol: :lol: Lookk fast Kimmy before the s word you put in turns to zoop... :lol: :lol:

On a sadder note no, it's not the filler hole. The filler hole is on the side, not rear-facing. Anyway, the business end of a bolt (?!) shouldn't be protruding and that incriminating lip of metal tells me something stinks... and it's not the gear oil (well, that smell makes me want to gag.  :P) I wish it were a filler hole. Those can be easily replaced. The plug, that is.
One can never have too many Pintos!

pintogirl

Well that sucks Becky!  :'(  I can't tell that well by the pics, but it looks like it is leaking out of the filler hole. Also looks like it has been leaking for a while!! I sure hope it is an easy fix!!

Get well soon, so you can update us on this!!  ;D
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

blupinto

I know I'll have to take the differential cover off (oh what fun.) but that'll be a job for when I'm (finally!) over this dumb cold. I'm still too tired-feeling and muzzy-headed for projects like this. Now riddle me this Batman: is there any way a bolt (!?) from inside the case could've been forced through the dif case? This morning I cleaned off where the dripping was and there's (I swear!) a threaded bolt-looking thing sticking out of the dif cover. There's even a lip of metal that was peeled away when this went through. The car never lost power, had the wheels seize up, nothing- except for that dragging-metal noise I heard coming back from the park. Is this unheard of or is this not so rare for these old road warriors? Thank you for any info, though I'm expecting the worst. As they say, when it rains it pours...
One can never have too many Pintos!

75bobcatv6

Time to remove the cover and see whats underneath hun. No idea if you ruined it but it looks like its got a leak somewhere. Perhaps at the filler. not sure but that looks to be an 8in rear end but i could also be wrong, it looks taht way cause of the grease. it could still be the 6.75 rear but the bolts are covered in grease and not visible. anyways id remove the cover if its the 6.75 and check for loose bolts on the Pinion, Shavings anything that would Indicate that you might have ruined it. but rear-ends can be rebuilt.

blupinto

Possible bad news.

Now don't beat me up too much. Ive been doing enough of that already.  :(  I took my Green Girl to the dog park (naturally with dogs in tow) like usual, but on the way back (in the dark, also naturally) I heard noises like something underneath FA was either hitting the asphalt or the inner wheel/tire (we were traveling at speed) and at one point I pulled over on the highway and looked at the exhaust pipe and muffler (it's been a lil' loose lately) but nothing dragging or appeared to be missing. She accelerated and shifted like normal but that horrible noise would come again- then go. After I got home I got my flashlight and found a) a grease smell, and b) a grease puddle and drips- coming from the differential housing. Because it was dark I didn't try to clean it off or anything, but I hope someone can see the pic and tell me if I ruined my green baby.  :'(
One can never have too many Pintos!

discolives78

Practice makes perfect, Becky  :). Glad to hear you are making progress!

Chuck :afro:


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

blupinto

Well, for some good news: I'm a lot better at driving FA. I barely stall her at intersections anymore. I'm getting the friction piont down. YAY!  :happy_bday: Bless her, when I follow the starting procedure (when starting her from being parked) she fires right up. Sometimes I have to lightly tap the accelerator to keep her going, but still...

      She does bog sometimes and I know nothing about when her fuel filter was last replaced so tomorrow I'll be doing that. Sometime in the (hopefully near) future I'll be also re-securing her exhaust pipe. And replacing her steering wheel. And finishing the sewing of her headliner. And ... ::)
One can never have too many Pintos!

blupinto

My best friend suggested a couple pink flamingos in the trunk area.  ??? ::) :lol:
One can never have too many Pintos!

pintogirl

Quote from: discolives78 on May 14, 2009, 10:16:40 PM
Guacamole on the hoof.

My suggestion for the roof is Astro turf. cover the entire roof in carpet glue and cover the whole roof in green astroturf. Then use a hole saw to cut a 3 inch hole in the center of the roof near the back and secure a piece of PVC with a cap on one end to the inside of the roof with a flange like a toilet uses (available at home depot) Then place a golf flag next to the hole. Next get a golf putter and a few golf balls. When you get stranded, you can practice putting on the roof while you wait for help. ;)

Just kidding! ;D

I'm from the desert, I don't see much rust!

Chuck :afro:


LOL That was too funny!!! LOL But, you know that would go with the shaggy green carpet on the inside!!!!!!!! LOL  Sorry Becky, had to say it!! LOL

By the way, Welcome back Chuck!!!!! Nice to see you posting again!!!
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

discolives78

Guacamole on the hoof.

My suggestion for the roof is Astro turf. cover the entire roof in carpet glue and cover the whole roof in green astroturf. Then use a hole saw to cut a 3 inch hole in the center of the roof near the back and secure a piece of PVC with a cap on one end to the inside of the roof with a flange like a toilet uses (available at home depot) Then place a golf flag next to the hole. Next get a golf putter and a few golf balls. When you get stranded, you can practice putting on the roof while you wait for help. ;)

Just kidding! ;D

I'm from the desert, I don't see much rust!

Chuck :afro:


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

blupinto

HAH! lol.  :lol: :lol: :lol:

You mean The Pinto That Tried To Be A Maverick Cow?! Poor thing... My heart bleeds for that wagon... :'( :laugh: :lol:
One can never have too many Pintos!

Carolina Boy

Yo Blu, At least it would look better than that wagon with the Pinto spots!!! :lol:
If life gives you a lemon, squeeze it in your moonshine and buy a Pinto.

blupinto

Yeah... looks like I need to break out a can of...
One can never have too many Pintos!

71HANTO

Quote from: blupinto on May 13, 2009, 10:31:17 PM
Yes I have... briefly. I'm funny about this. I would rather mave mismatched (color) parts than get the parts repainted to match. Because she's not the "show" car I'm not that concerned about her odds n ends. Plus, the paint would have to match the sun-faded color or it'll have the same effect as the blue parts.  :look: :-\

       Yes, CB you are a tease extraordinaire. Here's your crown.  :angel: :P :laugh: lol. Can you imagine- saddle naugahyde vinyltop on a forest green wagon...that won't elicit strange looks... ::) :rolleye: ;)

      more on why my driving her needs its own project thread later... :embarrassed: ??? :read: :reek: :showback: :nocool:

71HANTO SAYS....YOU...

"Life is a series of close ones...'til the last one"...cfpjr

blupinto

Yes I have... briefly. I'm funny about this. I would rather mave mismatched (color) parts than get the parts repainted to match. Because she's not the "show" car I'm not that concerned about her odds n ends. Plus, the paint would have to match the sun-faded color or it'll have the same effect as the blue parts.  :look: :-\

       Yes, CB you are a tease extraordinaire. Here's your crown.  :angel: :P :laugh: lol. Can you imagine- saddle naugahyde vinyltop on a forest green wagon...that won't elicit strange looks... ::) :rolleye: ;)

      more on why my driving her needs its own project thread later... :embarrassed: ??? :read: :reek: :showback: :nocool:
One can never have too many Pintos!

r4pinto

Sounds like you got yourself a plan Becky.... I like the "beckyspeak" :D . Have you thought of using vinyl paint/dye for the mismatched parts?
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

Carolina Boy

Ya know I was just a pickin' at ya? :evil:
If life gives you a lemon, squeeze it in your moonshine and buy a Pinto.