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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

My new Pinto, The Sequel

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r4pinto

LOL...

Actually I removed the bolts holding the engine to the transaxle, grabbed an old tire iron I pried the block off the dowels. I let it fall  to the driveway, where I then dragged it out from under the car.  The car was jacked up high enough in the air that I had no problem doing that. The block was junk anyways so I didn't care what happened to it.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

Carolina Boy

Forgot to ask how you did that, pick it up and shake it upsidedown?
If life gives you a lemon, squeeze it in your moonshine and buy a Pinto.

Carolina Boy

 :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:That's rich, thanks for the laugh!
If life gives you a lemon, squeeze it in your moonshine and buy a Pinto.

r4pinto

Nah, haven't tried that.. Might be because I don't have a cherry picker either. To pull the old engine out of my Omni GLH Turbo I had to strip it to the bear block, and just let the old engine fall out of the engine compartment lol.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

Carolina Boy

Kim :angel: and Becky :angel: yes, me no :embarrassed:. I ain't got a garage. It is only going to be a slab of concrete and a big plastic tent :((found on craigslist). I will have to mix and pour the slab myself :'(. The rotisery will be made of two 1000 lb engine stands(again, found on craigslist ;D) and some extra tubing my freind has :angel:. Then there is the rental cherrypicker and floorjack that leaks :nocool:. I am cheap on tools but try for the best for parts for Bandit. I had to do something, have you tried moving an engine laden cherrypicker on gravel?? :nocool:
If life gives you a lemon, squeeze it in your moonshine and buy a Pinto.

r4pinto

I'm jeaulous of all three of you... Robert, Kim & Becky... No rotisserie, lift, one rusty Pinto, and not even a garage to work out of. This ain't good lol.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

blupinto

Like in Fried Green Tomatoes...  :angel: :devil: :drunk: :police: :o
I'm a little jealous about you having room to put in a slab. Then again  I'm jealous of Pintogirl having a) a garage complete with lift, and b) a good Hubby to help and even share the Pinto Passion. Oh, and c) she has lotsa Pintos!  :laugh:
One can never have too many Pintos!

Carolina Boy

And delicious with BBQ sauce!  :devil:
If life gives you a lemon, squeeze it in your moonshine and buy a Pinto.

blupinto

Who's body are you rotisseriing? Is that what you do to your Yankee captives at the reenactments?  :devil: :drunk: :lol: lol. Those Bluecoats don't stand a chance!  ::)
One can never have too many Pintos!

Carolina Boy

 With the engine being trashed, I have consintrated on the body. A buddy let me use his welder and I patched up some exterior holes. I tried to set the yard on fire with the sparks from grinding the welds,opps! Puddied the car, sanded down, puddied again, and wet sanded. I then raddle can primered the whole outside. That was a long 8 hrs. I will jump back on it Monday and wet sand again. Next week is going to be interior prepping.
The first of June, the welder buddy is going to help me build a body rotisery. I am also pouring a concrete pad in the back yard. Once it is cured, and portable garage will be erected. It won't be a Hamilton garage but it will keep Bandit dry while she is rebuilt.
If life gives you a lemon, squeeze it in your moonshine and buy a Pinto.

Carolina Boy

I'm already looking thru my Speedway catalog, Giggle, Giggle! :devil:
If life gives you a lemon, squeeze it in your moonshine and buy a Pinto.

r4pinto

Quote from: Carolina Boy on May 11, 2009, 06:26:52 PM
I see this as a labor of love and a slap to the face of our government. She will live again!!!!!!!!!!!

Down with the establishment!!! LMAO... Good luck and looking forward to pics and updates on the progress of Bandit
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

Pintosopher

CB,
A good foundation is the essence of good Government!  ERR , I meant Street cars and race cars. So Dismantle away, Just remember.. someday a powerplant will occupy that hole underhood.

So Alex, I'll take powerplant indecision for $200.... :lol:  ;D

Pintosopher
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

Check my Pinto Poems out...

Carolina Boy

Let us start with Blupinto,
Layoff the wacky weed, put the novacain down! :hypno: Bandit is the name sake, the car is a she! :evil: :devil:

Everybody's answers are right on track. ;) I do have my truck for parts getten'and work. :look:

Since it wasn't an everyday driver I will just have to do without for a while. I have two years to bring her back to life.
I have decided it is time to start (as Chip would say) deconstuction. I will strip the old girl down, blaster her, repair her wornout body, get her into major coats of zinc primer, lizard skin her bottom, and sound proofing inside. Then it will be paint, glass, suspension, drivetrain, and finish off with a great interior. I see this as a labor of love and a slap to the face of our government. She will live again!!!!!!!!!!!
WARNING: Questions will be asked if I get stuck on something.
If life gives you a lemon, squeeze it in your moonshine and buy a Pinto.

71pintoracer

CW, I wouldn't waste any money on the old engine. You could sleeve the one cylinder, bore the rest, buy new pistons, find a head, have it redone, turn the crank, ect,ect,ect. With parts and machine work you're pushing a grand. It's kind of a decision you need to make, your ultimate goal is the V8, but like pintosopher said, if you could pick up  a decent ranger engine you could be up and running while you work on your V8. On the other hand, that money could be well spent on the V8......oh, what to do, what to do!!  :lol: :lol: :lol:
If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?

75bobcatv6

so far ive been lucky, mine hasnt leaked *knocks on wood*

popbumper

Quote from: 78squirewagon on May 11, 2009, 10:44:18 AM
You guys are killing me with the cowl leaks. I know that my white wagon and red coupe needs to be fixed (like all of the Pinto's in the world) but I am afraid to tackle it LOL!! Cant someone come up with a product like Fix A Flat that we can just pour in the cowl, slosh around and fix the leaks.
Sorry to hijack the thread CB but I had to chime in on the cowl thing  ;D

Um, sorry. I myself was sadly surprised by the cowl leak thing. I told the seller when I went to look at the car, "hey, the drivers' side floor is wet!What's the problem"? "Oh, I left the window opened when it rained". Since I had never heard of a leaking cowl, I took the bait.

The sad truth was learned when I pulled the fender off. Argggh! :cheesy_p:

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

Pintosopher

CB,
Maybe a 91 or so 4cyl Ranger engine (certified or low mileage), Roller rockers, big carb, header, and free breathing Exhaust. Minimal mods, motor mounts are bolt up. You're up and running with 145 HP Like NOW! :amazed:
Unless you derive "stimulus" from fab work ;D and welding fumes. :lost:

Pintosopher "out to pasture" when you least expect it ::)
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

Check my Pinto Poems out...

blupinto

I thought it was excuses are like @$$holes- everybody's got one and they all stink! lol. :lol: :lol:

Carolina Boy Robert (as if there were OTHER Carolina Boys! lol) (Novacain's got to me head! See? There's the Liverpool accent! lol.) Anyway, CB, I think it depends on the final plan you have for Bandit. If you're keeping her stock (this Bandit IS a her, right? I can't check under her tail. ) then maybe a new or rebuilt 2.3 or 2.8 is the way to go. If you're gonna humiliate the ricers and other arrogant jerks then turbo or V8 is the answer. ;D  On Wildfire (a girl car, thank you!) I will keep her stock (though how fun it would be to have an unassuming lil' sleeper? ) Oh, that's right. I already have a sleeper. The Flying Avocado falls asleep at intersections. Oh, but we mean the OTHER kind of sleeper, don't we? lol.  :lol: :hypno: ??? ::) :embarassed:
One can never have too many Pintos!

smallfryefarm

You know what they say opinions are like butt holes, every bodys got one, so heres mine, opinion that is.
If the 5.0 is your goal then i would get started in that direction. either way is going to be a lot of work and money. It would save you a great deal of both to just get started on the main project and spend the extra money on something that you are going to keep. oh well thats just my butt hole opinion.    :showback:
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Carolina Boy

78SW, Chime in anytime.
SFF, I took the block to the machine shop this morning and they said no. The scares miked at .093". They recommended sleeving. What is yalls take on this solution?? If yes. would you sleeve all four cylinders?? They also said the head was trash, hair cracks everywhere.

It was a lot of fun driving it while I could. Maybe I should just throw my hands up and start a complete ground up resto-mod. I have two years till the 40th aniversary meet in Carlisle.
If life gives you a lemon, squeeze it in your moonshine and buy a Pinto.

78squirewagon

You guys are killing me with the cowl leaks. I know that my white wagon and red coupe needs to be fixed (like all of the Pinto's in the world) but I am afraid to tackle it LOL!! Cant someone come up with a product like Fix A Flat that we can just pour in the cowl, slosh around and fix the leaks.
Sorry to hijack the thread CB but I had to chime in on the cowl thing  ;D
1978 Squire wagon,red, 69000 and counting original miles

1978 Hatchback, red (built four days after  the Squire)

smallfryefarm

sorry about the sad news on the 4 banger sounds like you got a boat anchor their. You better pull the heater box and take a gander up at the cowl pan i suspect you have rust that is letting the rain in to the floor pans. You will have to fix that or the floor will leave again. Your time will be better spent on the 5.0 anyways. 
Smallfryefarms Horsepower Ranch

Carolina Boy

Found the problem in the head and block, they are cracked. Small cracks around the valve guides. I pulled the head off and looked at the pistons, crusted with carbon. Number two had deep scapes (gouges) so I pulled the pan and found small pieces of ring. I will have to rebuild the engine, but that will have to wait.
Oh well, maybe it's time to start the deconstruction for body work and engine swap. I guess I will be putting in the 302/T5 sooner than I planned. I am going to make a promise to myself, and yall hold me to it, to have Bandit finished and meet yall at Carlisle 2011 for the 40th aniversary.
Well it looks like it's time for "My new Pinto, Part III.
If life gives you a lemon, squeeze it in your moonshine and buy a Pinto.

Carolina Boy

Did the leak down, no problem :)
Coolant Leak down , no problem :)
oil nice and clean :)
Got to be the carb, oh great :mad:
Next I will check the cam :-\
Complete rebuild, I hope not.
Well, better get another cup of Joe and get back out there. :'(
If life gives you a lemon, squeeze it in your moonshine and buy a Pinto.

r4pinto

I know blue smoke does. Harold II was a bug killer when I first got her... Putting a stronger coil on her couldn't hurt any. One thing about the 2.3s is they do tend to eat camshafts so if you are having the misfires you might want to pull the valve cover and take a look at the cam.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

blupinto

No sir. Not yet.

Been busy busy busy this week.

If that white smoke kills skeeters, I wonder if it'll kill flies. They're BAD this year here! lol.  ;D
One can never have too many Pintos!

Carolina Boy

Which ever it is, I am killing skeeters :lol: I'll find out in the morning light. Been wondering where you've been Blu. Got your hat yet?
If life gives you a lemon, squeeze it in your moonshine and buy a Pinto.

blupinto

I thought black smoke was too rich carb and white smoke was water/ coolant...? ??? :read: :tgif:
One can never have too many Pintos!

Carolina Boy

 :tgif: You are right. I got my smoke mixed up. Blue is oil and white is a too rich carb. Mia coopa! :lol: Could be way it misses sometimes.
My carb has seen better day and maybe should be rebuilt or replaced. Of course the tubing has been messed with because I de-smogged it. I might have plug some thing or ran the tubing wrong. I can't wait to get another manifold and get a simple carb.
Would you know if putting a stonger coil (75k)would help it fire better?
What did you think of my new shifter. Short huh?
If life gives you a lemon, squeeze it in your moonshine and buy a Pinto.