Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

My new Pinto, The Sequel

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r4pinto

White smoke? I would think if it were valve seals it would blow blue smoke. Atleast that is the color smoke my 77 blew when I had bad valve seals. Might want to check into a head gasket. It could be gone or going bad. Cylinder leakdown test is a good place to start.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

Carolina Boy

After I snag a hot manifold and headers, I will get the cam.
Worked on Bandit today. Tightened up the new exhaust for now. Will have to modify the exhaust again when I get the header. Finished up the short shifter Mods and installed it. That is short but the throw is about 2 inches. In stalled the reverse spring mod and that tightened up the shifter and has gave it a firm shifting feel. Finished cleaning up the interior and installed the Black seats to drive with. Need to sell both sets before I can buy the Summit high backs. Yes I found more rust in the front floor pan. It is pretty bad. I don't think POR-15 is going to help me there. Hope to install the 8" next week. Freind of mine overhauled it and gave me a 4.11 setup. Drove it around the neigborhood a little today. Started smoking some. It is white smoke so I quess the valve seals are giving up the ghost. But man it is so fun to get on it a tad, go thru the gears then down shift, ber rapp rap!!!! I feeel like I'm 40 again.
If life gives you a lemon, squeeze it in your moonshine and buy a Pinto.

r4pinto

Great to hear! For the cam I have noticed some on eBay a time or two. Wouldn't hurt to check on there
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

Carolina Boy

I was able to mount (adapt) a 2 1/2" exhaust on the Bandit today. Went from the 2" head pipe to a glasspack and out with 2 1/2 ending in a chrome 3" slash cut tip just in front of the rear wheelwell on the driverside. Sounded mellow and mean but not to loud. Got the engine tuned up with the usual, plugs, new wires, oil, and timing. Got to say even though it is bone stock, it runs and sounds good. Next on the plate is finding a performance intake, headers and cam. That my take a little time. Oh well, at lease:

                     :drunk::devil:IT"S ALIVE, HA HA HA :devil: :drunk:
If life gives you a lemon, squeeze it in your moonshine and buy a Pinto.

blupinto

Star was an irrepressable flirt. Though she was spayed she was a coquette and bumped her rump provocatively into whatever male dog she set her sights on- til he puts the moves on her, that is! Then she defended her virtue! lol.  :lol: :angel: She was my best friend of all time. I still miss her. :'(
One can never have too many Pintos!

Carolina Boy

I'll tell him to be nice to her in my prayers tonight :rolleye:!
If life gives you a lemon, squeeze it in your moonshine and buy a Pinto.

blupinto

Mine too. I'll bet my Star is flirting with your Bandit right now.  :angel: :) :angel:
One can never have too many Pintos!

Carolina Boy

All my angel pups are waiting just accross the Rainbow Bridge. :angel:
If life gives you a lemon, squeeze it in your moonshine and buy a Pinto.

blupinto

You know I mean spiritually! But it is nice you've put his picture in the new car to help be close to him.  :angel:
One can never have too many Pintos!

Carolina Boy

Ya know, blupinto, I just happen to have his picture taped to the dash board. :angel:
If life gives you a lemon, squeeze it in your moonshine and buy a Pinto.

blupinto

I'll bet your car's namesake is gazing down from the heavens in warm approval. I'll also bet he'd rather be riding in the car next to you being co-pilot than in Paradise. :'( :angel: :)
One can never have too many Pintos!

popbumper

If you will check out the thread "Popbumper's '76 wagon" in the Projects folder, you can see how I repaired my floors with POR-15 - and how beautifully they turned out. I >highly< recommend it.

PS - the fiberglass mesh in the floor and trunk repair kit that POR-15 sells is awesome. You saturate it with the POR-15, and once on your floor, the mesh dries rock hard - you can bang on it with your fist and it won't budge. This is the best way to fix small holes besides replacing floor pans.

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

Carolina Boy

Pulled the anti-pollution crap off today and plugged up the holes. The battery tray andfender underneath is rust free. Sanded and primed after removal of the tray.
I have got the front fenders and hood all  the same color of primer after wet sanding for about 4 hours. Hope to start in on the doors tomorrow. They both have the typical rust holes in the bottom corners. May have to break down and get a mig and do some welding, don't like to use a lot of bondo.
If life gives you a lemon, squeeze it in your moonshine and buy a Pinto.

Carolina Boy

Rust holes Pulled up the carpet today and found rust holes. They aren't big about 3/8" round is the biggest. I have heard about this POR-15, is it any good? Short of having to cut a floor board, how would yall fix the small holes. The floors are still pretty solid, my wire brush knocked the rust off and I see good metal.
I guess yall can tell I ain't a body man, but I'll try anything once.
If life gives you a lemon, squeeze it in your moonshine and buy a Pinto.

Carolina Boy

I have decided to name the car Bandit. That is the name of my bestest dog buddy I saved from the pound in 1992. He was my car dog. My 69 Fairlane Torino was named after him. No matter where he was, rattle the car keys and he was there at the door, ready to go. I lost him to pancreatic cancer in 2003 :angel:, and sold the car in 2004 :'(. Okay, dry your eyes. I'll talk about the car, sorry Bandit.

Worked on the "Bandit" today. Switched out the hood, head light bezels, removed the front bumper. Sanded down the passenger fender and repaired the rear plastic whatsitcalled panels inside the hatch area. I am having lots of fun with wire wheels, sandpaper and primer.

Out of the blue, I had a guy come by today, said he'd like to buy my engine and trans. :surprised: Said he was a racer. I told him I wasn't interested but he left his number anyways. His offer was $500 or trade for his 1986 Mustang LX 302(V4)/T5 that has been rear ended and totaled. He said the engine runs and the trans is fine. I have had, going to a 302/T5 setup, on the back burner for "Bandit". I wonder if I should check this deal out? That sure would give Bandit more bark and bite! :lol:
If life gives you a lemon, squeeze it in your moonshine and buy a Pinto.

71HANTO

Quote from: Carolina Boy on March 24, 2009, 07:06:35 PM
As you know my car is a 78 hatchback with a 2.3 and 4 speed. The advice I need is, am I going the right way? :-\ I will be driving it daily. Go to shows and want to smoke a Ricer every now and then. I am not looking to build a 1/4 mile, 8 sec car :police: :lol:, just a simple fun show off car. 8) :devil:
This is what I'm sure about: rebuilding the engine and DE-smogging.Boring .030 over
shaving the head, w/ port and polish I will use long under chassis headers (1-3/4" w/ 2-1/2 collector)2-1/2" exhaust pipe to the side, in front of rear wheel Offy 4 barrel manifold with 390 cfm Holley MSD ignition and distributor 8" rear 14" wheels and tires (215/70/14)
Yalls advice from here? Which rear gear ratio Cam duration and lift Fuzzy dice or cross
Yall know I value your opinions highly. Any help?


First off...I know nothing about 2.3s except the bump stick is on top. But the cam of any engine is the heart and in my opinion,  ALWAYS  the  place to start. Everything gets built out from that...hopefully, all balanced to work together. THE biggest error people make is thinking if big is better, than BIGGEST IS BEST.....WRONG!! :amazed: BALANCE of the combination of parts and porting is the key. Based on your information above, I would focus on a cam profile that emphasizes TORQUE numbers. Torque is what accelerates the car. It is the measurement of the twist force to the drive shaft. The more twist force, the more burnt rubber and burnt ricers ;D Why do some people build 460 low RPM boat anchors?...MASSIVE TORQUE.  Based on your tire choice (you might like 60 series better overall), I would go with the plentiful 3.40 rear gears and obligatory hanging High School (or college) Graduation Tassel ;D

71HANTO


 
"Life is a series of close ones...'til the last one"...cfpjr

Carolina Boy

Pintogirl, Fuzzy dice it is :lol:

Pintosopher, This is why I ask questions. I get the lobe center and duration, I'm still at a loss on lift. Summit has a Comp Cam with close number as you suggested. Lobes at 110 degree, duration is advertised at 272 INT&EXH (226 at .050 lift, INT/EXH), 1500-5500 rpm. What do you think of this cam? (STOCK# 70-127-6)
Rear gear is noted.

Do you think I can squeeze at least 150 HP?
If life gives you a lemon, squeeze it in your moonshine and buy a Pinto.

Pintosopher

Carolina Boy,
The cylinder head and Cam specs should have a common goal, increased flow for the type of powerband and driving style. If you do a bit of research on the heads the D style intake ports are the way to start a good head. Get a roller style cam for Longevity and RPM. Remember the valves have to flow better at Half lift twice in a rotation, and total lift doesn't always make for a drivable engine on the street. Lobe centers are important (108-110 degrees) Duration  288 degrees ,and the exhaust can really mess up the cam efficiency if it's too large.
Gears, 3:50 to 3:70
I'll give up the  floor here..

Pintosopher
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

Check my Pinto Poems out...

pintogirl

Well, the only advice I could give would be, fuzzy dice!!!! I think they are more period correct!!!!!!  ;D
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

Carolina Boy

As you know my car is a 78 hatchback with a 2.3 and 4 speed. The advice I need is, am I going the right way? :-\ I will be driving it daily. Go to shows and want to smoke a Ricer every now and then. I am not looking to build a 1/4 mile, 8 sec car :police: :lol:, just a simple fun show off car. 8) :devil:


This is what I'm sure about:
rebuilding the engine and DE-smogging.
Boring .030 over
shaving the head, w/ port and polish
I will use long under chassis headers (1-3/4" w/ 2-1/2 collector)
2-1/2" exhaust pipe to the side, in front of rear wheel
Offy 4 barrel manifold with 390 cfm Holley
MSD ignition and distributor
8" rear
14" wheels and tires (215/70/14)

Yalls advice from here?
Which rear gear ratio
Cam duration and lift
Fuzzy dice or cross

Yall know I value your opinions highly. Any help?
If life gives you a lemon, squeeze it in your moonshine and buy a Pinto.

Carolina Boy

Rain rain and more rain. My out doors garage is cold and full of rain. >:( I haven't been able to touch the car. I have been doing some build book work though.

I want to take this time to thank Mike, Tony, and Phil for the new parts. Also, thanks go out to all the guys and girls for all the help, how to info, and some good laughs while I have been recouperating. I hope to return all the favors by building my car and showing it off to yall. I am here for yall anytime I can help!
If life gives you a lemon, squeeze it in your moonshine and buy a Pinto.

dga57

Quote from: Carolina Boy on March 08, 2009, 08:31:38 PM
Dually noted and understood. Which glue? ???

Robert,

In a case like that, I would check with an automotive specialty shop... one who supplies paint, adhesives, etc. to the body shops, and ask their recommendation.
My inexpert opinion is that something like JB Weld or any good epoxy would do the trick.  Depending on the amount of surface contact you have, you may even be able to use automotive-grade double-sided tape.  Good luck and let us know how it turns out!

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

blupinto

I'm thinking the light bezels and the hood were similar to the '71-'75 on the '76. The grille and front signal lights were different. The '77-'78 had round headlights but squarish bezels. Hmm... now I'll have to look...
One can never have too many Pintos!

Carolina Boy

Had two setbacks today. Found that the headlight covers (door?) are coming apart. I will have to find some more later. I didn't know they were rubber till I tried to remove them. I wonder if the 76's would work? The fender are the same?
The 76 and the 78 had the same hoods, Right? The 78s hood is so rusted and pitted it needs changing. My buddy's coming over tomorrow to help pull the interior. I hope I don't find any holes.
If life gives you a lemon, squeeze it in your moonshine and buy a Pinto.

Carolina Boy

Dually noted and understood. Which glue? ???
If life gives you a lemon, squeeze it in your moonshine and buy a Pinto.

71HANTO

I agree..glue it. The auto glass is tempered and will crack if you try to drill it. I went through this with my 69 Mustang that has glue-in windows (factory). I wanted to put some bolts thru the glass to better hold them in the channel but is not possible once the glass is tempered. I could have changed everything $$$ to 1970 Mustang (has the bolted in factory upgrade) but I re-glued mine til' they go again. 71HANTO
"Life is a series of close ones...'til the last one"...cfpjr

Carolina Boy

Ya know that there is a good idea! Why make it harder than it needs to be. See, you maight have saved me a bunch of money. Going to take some pictures today for ducumentation of the project.
If life gives you a lemon, squeeze it in your moonshine and buy a Pinto.

dga57


Do have a question though, how do you drill a hole in glass? ??? It is for mounting the spoiler. 8)
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VERY CAREFULLY :lol: :lol: :lol:

Seriously, I'm sure they make bits for doing that but if it were mine, I'd be thinking 3M Automotive Adhesive Products.  Much safer ;)!

Dwayne :smile: 
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

Carolina Boy

Spent a little time with the old girl today. :D Sanded down the drivers fender nice and smooth and put it in primer. 8) Worked a bit on the hatch, decided to stick with the full glass. :look: Took the spoiler off the 76 hatch. I am going to use it on the 78. ;D Had to do some cutting and fitting. :amazed: I carved out a section to incorporate the handle. I'll have to do a bit of fiberglass magic. ;D
Do have a question though, how do you drill a hole in glass? ??? It is for mounting the spoiler. 8)
If life gives you a lemon, squeeze it in your moonshine and buy a Pinto.

dga57

Glad to hear you are out and about, my friend.  Take care not to overdo it!
Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.