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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

The MIZAR FOUND! It Fly’s (drives) Again!

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Scott Hamilton

Hey Joe- Matt Smolinski (the designers son) told me about a year ago that there were no flight controls in the 2nd Pinto. Pintony was the first to notice from the video Matt supplied that the 'flyable' pinto was a sedan and the other was a hatchback. He (Tony) asked me to confirm with Matt. That was the first time we knew there were 2 cars. Tony and Brian took it full circle by actually finding the car and meeting the 'players' at Galpin Ford in CA- INCREDIABLE! ....

I have emailed Matt to see if he is intrested in speaking with Tony or Brian since they have done such a bang up job closing this out for all of us.

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Pintosopher

Hello all,
I haven't written Cookieboy or Pintony to ask a simple question: Did this car actually have the Aircraft Steering controls in the column and Rudder pedals installed? There would also have to be roof reinforcements for those "tracks" to attach the airframe. Look carefully at the video, you never actually see the car backing up and attaching the wings. It's also likely that given the ride height, that these cars had serious spring setups. And where do the control linkages pass through the body?
Nonetheless, it's a rare find even if it's the "promo" street car. Wings and powertrain from a Skymaster aren't cheap even if we had the engineers blueprints, I'm not sure it's doable, Unless Jay Leno is involved ;D.

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Pintopower

When the Flying one crashed, the guy backing the project and the designer were in the Mizar. They were both killed. The Mizar went down when the engine was upgraded and over powered the airframe. They (designer and backer) did not conduct proper tests on the airframe and it went down. The engineers and builders begged them not to do fly it but they did not listen.
I have many Pintos, I like them....
#1. 1979 Wagon V6 Restored
#2. 1977 Wagon V6 Restored
#3. 1980 Sedan I4 Original
#4. 1974 Pangra Wagon I4 Turbo
#5. 1980 Wagon I4 Restored
#6. 1976 Bobcat Squire Hatchback (Restoring)
...Like i said, I like them.
...and I have 4 Fiats.

phils toys

REAL  The car actuly flew  but structrl  problems and it broke up in flight. after several test flights. but i have not seen any confermed number of tests.

Quote from: phils toys on February 14, 2009, 02:21:03 AM
No  this one was not in flight. I just as cookie boy about the posability of  others wating to see if he knows any more.
Fromwhat he has gathered so far there were just the 2 one to drive  for the video  regular pinto painted to look  like the  flying one and the air plain.  tie flying one the wings were mounted perminatly  for  testing and to  get sponsors  to fund the  actual  product. sound very much  like a famous auto maker "Tucker" sell the idea and then build it.
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dholvrsn

Was the Pinto in the air in the video the real item or a model?
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phils toys

No  this one was not in flight. I just as cookie boy about the posability of  others wating to see if he knows any more.
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dga57

I wrote my last post before checking out Cookieboystoys.com.  Brian posted lots of photos there and it would have answered my question if I had checked it out first.  I do understand that this particular Pinto is not the one seen flying in the video, but does anyone at Galpin Ford know whether or not this one was ever in the air?  After all, there were surely flights made other than the one for the video.  I have read that two prototypes were built and three more were under construction prior to the 9/11/73 crash.  Just wondering.
Dwayne :smile:
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Pintopower

dga57,
As 78squirewagon said, the car they found was the car that was driven to the airport in the video. It never had wings, just that thing on the roof that tony is looking for. I thought it was funny when I noticed the flying car was a sedan where as the other was a hatchback.
I have many Pintos, I like them....
#1. 1979 Wagon V6 Restored
#2. 1977 Wagon V6 Restored
#3. 1980 Sedan I4 Original
#4. 1974 Pangra Wagon I4 Turbo
#5. 1980 Wagon I4 Restored
#6. 1976 Bobcat Squire Hatchback (Restoring)
...Like i said, I like them.
...and I have 4 Fiats.

78squirewagon

The one that was found is the one seen being driven by the family in the video. If you look close, you will see that it's a hatchback while the actual flying car is a trunk model. Cookieboy talked to me for at least an hour about the car and was VERY excited about it.
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Quote from: dga57 on February 13, 2009, 01:31:36 AM
  Either way, it's an amazing find and I can't imagine it being in better hands than Pintony's and Cookieboy's for restoration!
Dwayne :smile:

Dga i couldn't Agree more on those statements. One its an irreplaceable part of the Pinto and Fords History, Two: in those two's hands It would be a complete Show peice again. (who knows maybe pintony can find the wings lol)

dga57

In a word: WOW :surprised:!  Am I correct in assuming that they found the Pinto only... not the Mizar wing assembly?  WAS there even a second wing assembly for the second car, or was it the "one and only" that was destroyed when the other car crashed?  Either way, it's an amazing find and I can't imagine it being in better hands than Pintony's and Cookieboy's for restoration!
Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

discolives78

Nice to see it was found and saved! It's an interesting part of history, both automotive and aviation! I'm still waiting for my flying Pinto!  :D


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Pintopower

Well, the car is rough right now. I mean I have never started a resto off with a car this nice but still, it needs a lot. As of now the exterior of the car will remain untouched. The car will be at Fabulous Fords but then I think Pintony is taking it home with him. Knowing him, it will most likely be at the 40th!
I have many Pintos, I like them....
#1. 1979 Wagon V6 Restored
#2. 1977 Wagon V6 Restored
#3. 1980 Sedan I4 Original
#4. 1974 Pangra Wagon I4 Turbo
#5. 1980 Wagon I4 Restored
#6. 1976 Bobcat Squire Hatchback (Restoring)
...Like i said, I like them.
...and I have 4 Fiats.

dave1987

Wow, simply amazing!

The Mizar has been somewhat of a dream car that i have always wanted to see up close and personal, ever since I first saw the video of it about 4 years ago. I would go nuts if I had could have the chance to see this car up close and personal during a meet some day.

All I can say is, I sure as hell hope that it will be making an appearance to the 40th anniversary meet, because I will be!
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Pintopower

I have many Pintos, I like them....
#1. 1979 Wagon V6 Restored
#2. 1977 Wagon V6 Restored
#3. 1980 Sedan I4 Original
#4. 1974 Pangra Wagon I4 Turbo
#5. 1980 Wagon I4 Restored
#6. 1976 Bobcat Squire Hatchback (Restoring)
...Like i said, I like them.
...and I have 4 Fiats.

Wittsend

I love finds like this.  Congratulations to C.B. and P. on their efforts.  Thanks for sharing this.

  For the younger "Pintoites" out there the glass box the guy goes into after the plane lands...,  It's a "telephone booth."  It's from back in the day when phone conversations were "private."  ;D

Tom


Pintopower

Straight from the Pinto's mouth:

Last week while Pintony and Cookieboy were out here, they made quite the discovery. I was glad to be a small part of that and am very happy to post a great story if intrigue, confusion, amazement and finally redemption... gee, I make it sound good don't I....the story of the MIZAR, or at least the one that never flew and thus never crashed. We also have permission to post the Mizar video from Galpin Ford on youtube!

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From Cookieboy:
Hey Alberto, I have my Cookieboystoys.com website updated with info on the Mizar Flying Pinto Pintony and I found and purchased plus a couple pictures for you.

see my home page here ~~> www.cookieboystoys.com <~~for the rest of the story

Along with the video Bert Boeckmann of Galpin Ford gave me on the Mizar Flying Pinto, I have a page setup with the story of the Pinto to date. This is only the beginning of our little adventure. I will be adding more and updated info in the future but this will get it started for now.

Tony did talk to Jack (the person responsible for the video) and did confirm the interior of the 2nd Pinto (the hatchback) was brown. They covered it up for the video so it would be similar to the Flying car and like you saw in the one scene the bottom of the door was brown and the top was white. Galpin Ford and more importantly Jack (the person from Galpin Ford most involved with the 2nd Pinto) is convinced we do have the second car and the one used in the video. What a great day for the Pinto community to have this little piece of history found and still in one piece.
feel free to share this with everyone.

Pintony and The Cookieboy

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I hope you guys like it! So now, all we need to do next is get more info and the Pangra and the Ford Pinto's mysteries will all be laid to rest!

I have many Pintos, I like them....
#1. 1979 Wagon V6 Restored
#2. 1977 Wagon V6 Restored
#3. 1980 Sedan I4 Original
#4. 1974 Pangra Wagon I4 Turbo
#5. 1980 Wagon I4 Restored
#6. 1976 Bobcat Squire Hatchback (Restoring)
...Like i said, I like them.
...and I have 4 Fiats.