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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

2009 Knotts Fabulous Fords Forever

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chrisf1219

knotts is almost here everybody got their magic ticket!!!!!!!!! ;D time to get your car ready and ill see you there :lol:   chris in ceres ca.
77 wagon auto 2.3  wagons are the best and who knew I like flames on a pinto!!!!

blupinto

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

  Looks like Becky and The Baby are in!!!!

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
One can never have too many Pintos!

vonkysmeed

Quote from: pintosopher on March 01, 2009, 09:50:53 AM

  Prepare for the worst, but expect to be surprised for the best! :)

All the best,
(my budget precludes attending)

  Pintosopher
   

I would agree with that.  Sorry you will not be there as it looks to be a fun time.  Good luck on the job search.  8)
73 Pinto Runabout
351w from 74 galaxie
Heads from 69 Mercury Cougar
82 Mustang GT SROD Transmission and driveshaft
Mustang II rear end with Fairmont 3rd member
6 point cage

Pintosopher

Vonkysmeed,
I'm sure that we may agree on many more subjects than just a perception of Risk. I too am one of the 10.1% and my community used to be considered "safe" from the majority of the Theft and other crimes. We just had a Dead body turn up in the lake near a Bike trail and a crime scene with a hit & run and bloody impact marks on a "unmarked Law Enforcement" style Crown Vic , all in one 24hr period. Our crime log is becoming jammed with new data. And the county is cutting law enforcement too.
The issue of Safety at the Show is not a real concern. The neighboring areas and the statistical laws of averages , given the economy, are relevant. I was a resident of Anaheim many years ago and it was a "safe"  community beyond any concept that we hold today. I wouldn't consider it such now.
  Bottom line,
  Prepare for the worst, but expect to be surprised for the best! :)

All the best,
(my budget precludes attending)

  Pintosopher
   
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

Check my Pinto Poems out...

vonkysmeed

Quote from: pintosopher on February 27, 2009, 07:05:42 PM
Hello all,
Just a word of caution regarding the security of the precious rides that you may be bringing to the "golden state' and the LA basin. Our state just declared a 10.1% Unemployment rate, up from 8.6% in December. Property crimes in the Sacramento area are on the rise where I live. Anything of value will be a "opportunity" for Theft and possibly more serious consequences.
I hope the Security at Knott's will be premium, and anywhere close by that you may stay, residential or Hotel/Motel will have adequate security. 10.1% of 35 million people is a bunch of chaos waiting to happen. Don't help anyone steal your rides, plan accordingly. Offer to help Brad with any operations related to your presence and your fellow club members.
  I know that if you start now, it will go smoother when you arrive. It won't be any fun if you haven't prepared.
  Brad , this isn't alarmism, just a heads up for people who may not be familiar with the dynamics of our State.
  Hope all goes well for this show, it sounds like a record breaker for attendance.

  Pintosopher

I understand the concern, however please realize that the security at Knotts will not be the problem.  There are always people by the pintos that will keep an eye out.  The rest is common sense.  If someone is willing to go through the hoops you put in their way to get your stuff, then yes, they will take it.  I am one of the 10.1% and do not feel any different than I did this time last year about the safety of my vehicles or house.  My truck was broken into last year because a camera was left in plain sight on the seat.  What they did not see or get was the other camera and presents in the car.  If they did not see the 1 camera, they would not have broken into the truck. 

That being said, anyone who is traveling from a distance will need to do what they feel is necessary to keep their cars safe.

See you at the show. 
73 Pinto Runabout
351w from 74 galaxie
Heads from 69 Mercury Cougar
82 Mustang GT SROD Transmission and driveshaft
Mustang II rear end with Fairmont 3rd member
6 point cage

vonkysmeed

Quote from: Fred Morgan on February 26, 2009, 06:20:10 PM
Hi vonkysmeed looks like youre close to Knott's. Have any room on street for me to park motor home and trailer for Saturday and Sunday night. I am all self contained and quiet. I will throw you some Pinto parts.  Fred   ;D :)

Sent you an email
73 Pinto Runabout
351w from 74 galaxie
Heads from 69 Mercury Cougar
82 Mustang GT SROD Transmission and driveshaft
Mustang II rear end with Fairmont 3rd member
6 point cage

Pintosopher

Hello all,
Just a word of caution regarding the security of the precious rides that you may be bringing to the "golden state' and the LA basin. Our state just declared a 10.1% Unemployment rate, up from 8.6% in December. Property crimes in the Sacramento area are on the rise where I live. Anything of value will be a "opportunity" for Theft and possibly more serious consequences.
I hope the Security at Knott's will be premium, and anywhere close by that you may stay, residential or Hotel/Motel will have adequate security. 10.1% of 35 million people is a bunch of chaos waiting to happen. Don't help anyone steal your rides, plan accordingly. Offer to help Brad with any operations related to your presence and your fellow club members.
  I know that if you start now, it will go smoother when you arrive. It won't be any fun if you haven't prepared.
  Brad , this isn't alarmism, just a heads up for people who may not be familiar with the dynamics of our State.
  Hope all goes well for this show, it sounds like a record breaker for attendance.

  Pintosopher
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

Check my Pinto Poems out...

Fred Morgan

Hi vonkysmeed looks like youre close to Knott's. Have any room on street for me to park motor home and trailer for Saturday and Sunday night. I am all self contained and quiet. I will throw you some Pinto parts.  Fred   ;D :)
Fred Morgan- Missing from us...
January 20th 1951-January 6th 2014

Beloved PCCA Parts Supplier and Friend to many.
Post your well wishes,
http://www.fordpinto.com/in-memory-of-our-fallen-pinto-heros/fred-morgan-23434/

vonkysmeed

MYT XPLD will be there this year.  I am sending in my registration today.  I have a minor engine problem to sort out, but will get it there.  With any luck, I will have some progress complete on it as well as I have been there as a work in progress with little progress made.  Here is a picture of my car at the 07 event to show that works in progress are welcome



see you there
73 Pinto Runabout
351w from 74 galaxie
Heads from 69 Mercury Cougar
82 Mustang GT SROD Transmission and driveshaft
Mustang II rear end with Fairmont 3rd member
6 point cage

Lost Coz

My wife and I are hoping to make it this year. Already sent the application in, just not sure about her days off. We are planning on leaving our place on Shasta Lake, Calif on Friday morning and spending some time with friends in the LA area Saturday, then attend the show on Sunday. We are heading back north on Sunday night or Monday morning, just depends on how much fun we have. If anyone this far north needs someone to run with, let me know. We might be able to link up for the drive south and north. For us, I-5 is a straight shot to SoCal about 600 miles. Don't think I'll have the paint finished by then, but the 73 will still look cool with all the other Pinto's. This sure sounds like a lot of fun. Hope we see you there!

Pinto"s are Cool!
"Pintos are cool!"

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skunky56

I'm taking one car for sure possibly two. Mine are not a trailer queens. MPINTOTOO is also going,were all in the east bay. Your welcome to tag along. Let us know!
77 Starsky/Hutch 2.3 Turbo A4OD Sunroof
78 Wagon V6 C3

Fred Morgan

Kim hook up with Chris he is 82mi from you in Ceres CA. Follow him in case of break down. I know there is other people to the north going down I-5. See you guys can have youre own Pinto run to Knott's.  Fred   :)
Fred Morgan- Missing from us...
January 20th 1951-January 6th 2014

Beloved PCCA Parts Supplier and Friend to many.
Post your well wishes,
http://www.fordpinto.com/in-memory-of-our-fallen-pinto-heros/fred-morgan-23434/

turbopinto72

Quote from: pintogirl on February 17, 2009, 10:14:48 PM
Ok, thanks!!! 

I'm still trying to talk hubby into it!! If I knew my Pinto would make it on it's own, I'd drive it. But I don't want to trust it for that far of a drive alone!! Hoping to talk hubby into trailering it!!! Wish me luck!!!!  ;D

Wishes the most luck on Kim[/b]
Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

pintogirl

Quote from: turbopinto72 on February 17, 2009, 10:10:50 PM
Kim, you only need the car registration fee. No need to go to the amusement park, you will have to much fun looking at cars  ;D

Ok, thanks!!! 

I'm still trying to talk hubby into it!! If I knew my Pinto would make it on it's own, I'd drive it. But I don't want to trust it for that far of a drive alone!! Hoping to talk hubby into trailering it!!! Wish me luck!!!!  ;D
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

turbopinto72

Kim, you only need the car registration fee. No need to go to the amusement park, you will have to much fun looking at cars  ;D
Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

pintogirl

This may be a dumb question, but do I need to buy the Knotts amusment park tickets too? Or can I get into the car show with just the registration fee?

Thanks
Kim
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

skunky56

I'm going , with one car mabe two. Looking forward to the drive down the coast highway 1 From S.F. to L.A. A good time will be had by all... :fastcar:
77 Starsky/Hutch 2.3 Turbo A4OD Sunroof
78 Wagon V6 C3

bmpstk

I am gonna try to make it this year. Would be nice to put faces to the postingsi have read over the last few yours.
Ill have to bring the daily driver as the other two are no where near being ready...
Chris
72 2.0l pinto runabout
72 2.3l turbo pinto runabout
72 v8 pinto runabout (in process)
71 2.0 turbo sedan

chrisf1219

hello folks to all of the vallejo car show and northern ca. area its time to get your car ready and get your ticket and go to knotts ;D lets all go and be part of the big 40 show.get em running and shiney and please come to the show. i hope to see all you there and all new members bring your car please.  chris
77 wagon auto 2.3  wagons are the best and who knew I like flames on a pinto!!!!

chrisf1219

 :evil: for sure joe i hope the pay goes up this year adjusted for a higher security threat against your air cleaner theft ;D ebay craigslist etc. see you all there :fastcar:  chris
77 wagon auto 2.3  wagons are the best and who knew I like flames on a pinto!!!!

redmustangman3

Hi Chris: Glad to see you got your vacation days approved. I was getting nervous that I would have to find another air cleaner guard for my Pinto (inside joke)-HAH. Joe in Morgan Hill, CA
1971- 289 V8; B&M C4; 9" with 4:11 posi. Several suspension upgrades and body modifications.
1974- 2.3L wagon,4-spd,totally stock. Medium lime yellow, avacado interior, 99k miles.
1972- 1984 Mustang SVO turbo; 5-speed tremec; 9" rear w/positraction; fiberglass front & doors; upgraded suspension.

chrisf1219

wow i will be sending in my ticket in this week got my vac days appovered and will be ready ot roll! ;D wont the maverick and falcon etc. be mad when they see 40 + pintos eoll into the show.this will be huge and will look good for the club. so if your thinking of going and have not made up your mind please go and be part of history. the day we have over 40 cars in one show  wow!!1 :hypno:  chris
77 wagon auto 2.3  wagons are the best and who knew I like flames on a pinto!!!!

turbopinto72

Quote from: srt on February 02, 2009, 03:21:16 AM

is there a metrolink/amtrak/coaster station anywhere near you?  i'm thinking i could grab a train down that way...take you up on your offer...drive the car back to your place at the end of the day.. and hope there's a train headed north at the end of the day(night)

i can catch the train in fullerton

Steve, the car is in San Juan Capistrano. There is an amtrack station that is 2 blocks from the car. The show gets out at about 3:00pm ish and I am sure there are trains that run back to Fullerton. Just check the Amtrak schedule.
Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

turbopinto72

Quote from: entropy on February 02, 2009, 06:53:39 PM
I realized that I misread the form and pulled my post.  Thanks!  I'm going to try to make it this year!

Hey, hope to see you this year. BTW I'm glad you were persistent in trying to get a membership to FordPinto.com.
We will also be having a breakfast that you are welcome to attend. I will be posting more later.
Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

entropy

Quote from: Fred Morgan on February 02, 2009, 05:37:37 PM
Youre not to late check turbopinto72 he post were you can get form.  Fred   :)

I realized that I misread the form and pulled my post.  Thanks!  I'm going to try to make it this year!
1972 Hoonabout
SBF swap
-308 cid
-CNC ported Brodix heads
-Edelbrock Super Victor intake
-QuickFuel 750 double pumper built by Siebert
-Single stage NOS Cheater system
8" rear 4.11 posi
G-Force 5 Speed
10 point rollcage


450-ish rwhp on motor.....something a bit more than that on the spray

Fred Morgan

Youre not to late check turbopinto72 he post were you can get form.  Fred   :)
Fred Morgan- Missing from us...
January 20th 1951-January 6th 2014

Beloved PCCA Parts Supplier and Friend to many.
Post your well wishes,
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Srt

Quote from: turbopinto72 on January 17, 2009, 10:18:36 AM
NO worries , this one is an Auto and its all stock. Im sure you could handle it...... ;D


is there a metrolink/amtrak/coaster station anywhere near you?  i'm thinking i could grab a train down that way...take you up on your offer...drive the car back to your place at the end of the day.. and hope there's a train headed north at the end of the day(night)

i can catch the train in fullerton
the only substitute for cubic inches is BOOST!!!

Fred Morgan

Since its the 19th of the month, does Pinto class 19 mean anything  ???   Fred   ;D
Fred Morgan- Missing from us...
January 20th 1951-January 6th 2014

Beloved PCCA Parts Supplier and Friend to many.
Post your well wishes,
http://www.fordpinto.com/in-memory-of-our-fallen-pinto-heros/fred-morgan-23434/

turbopinto72

Fred, thanks for the offer to get parts to the show. Dont know how many of my cars will be on the road yet. I am hoping for all 3 but, with 2 turbo cars anything can happen.  :o
Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

Fred Morgan

My form is ready to mail. Any 1 needing parts let me know. Its a good time to get free ship on doors, fenders and hoods all the big heavy items that cost 4 times to ship then what part is worth. Brad do you still need driver, my daughter is comming up from Sandy Eggo. Also I need 4.11 - 9" gears or something close thanks  Fred   :)
Fred Morgan- Missing from us...
January 20th 1951-January 6th 2014

Beloved PCCA Parts Supplier and Friend to many.
Post your well wishes,
http://www.fordpinto.com/in-memory-of-our-fallen-pinto-heros/fred-morgan-23434/