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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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Carolina Boy

Hey there, welcome back!!!
If life gives you a lemon, squeeze it in your moonshine and buy a Pinto.

delizious

Yea but in florida it's ALWAYS humid!
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popbumper

Even having a Texas car, I am dealing with BOTH benefits of rust AND dead crumbling plastic. Lucky me! :nocool:

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

hellfirejim

Yeah you desert guys got it good on the rust issue but not all is well in hot dry land as the plastic just falls to powder after being baked in the sun.. ask me how I know.   :lost:

But I have a AZ car without the rot and it was worth it.

jim
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popbumper

Quote from: 78txpony on December 02, 2009, 02:26:14 PM
Your car was the sacrificial anode for my car!   :lol: :lol: :lol:
:look:

Boy, you got that right - only engineers would understand what that means.... :P

Chris
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78txpony

Quote from: popbumper on December 02, 2009, 01:33:52 PM
Rob said: "Of course I live in TX, where rust is not an issue".

My answer: I live about 5 miles from Rob, in Texas, but his "rust not an issue" statement does not apply to my car, of course  >:(.

Chris
Your car was the sacrificial anode for my car!   :lol: :lol: :lol:
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popbumper

Rob said: "Of course I live in TX, where rust is not an issue".

My answer: I live about 5 miles from Rob, in Texas, but his "rust not an issue" statement does not apply to my car, of course  >:(.

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

78txpony

Welcome Delizious! 
I cannot add much more to what has been said - just follow your heart and gut feeling.  If costs will be an issue, perhaps lower your expectations.  Instead of a perfect show car, go for a good looking daily driver, or 20 footer. 

Mine will never be a show car, given its hard life, but it is reliable and cheap to keep running safely and dependably.  Of course I live in TX, where rust is not an issue.  It is fun to drive, too.

My Oldsmodile is my pride and joy, soon-to-be-show-car, but the Mighty Pinto still holds a special place in my heart - a friend that has let me down only once over 20 years (which was my fault anyway.) 

So get a plan together, start a project thread, post some pictures, and get a wrenchin'!  We are all here to help you and motivate you!   ;)
-Rob Young
1978 Pinto Pony sedan (Old Faithful) a.k.a. "the Tramp"
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1972 Cutlass Supreme Convertible (442 clone) -"Lady" (My mistress...)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/robsalbum/sets
1986 Cutlass Supreme Coupe - "Pristine"
1997 H-D Sportster

delizious

Yea man, mine has a little rust slowly growing and growing underneath the car and it's moldy as hell on the outside but aside from that it still holds a place in my heart. Everything is a project in life, and I kind of look at it as everything is a lession for you to learn and accomplish as these other pinto lovers have taught me to understand and acheive. Yes I do think everything is worth it, but its going to have to take a lot of my time and money to get this pinto in the shape I want it.


Green paint..haha, its funny you mentioned that because the outside of the car isn't that color..its just white with green mold on it. I tend on keeping the inside green, and the outside I think I'm going to leave white. And since I have a lot of friends that are artists including myself, I'm going to have everyone pick out a section of there choice to do there art work on only it has to all go together somehow.

Good question, I guess I'm going to have to find out if it does glow under black light ;D
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dholvrsn

I wonder if that engine paint glows under black light....  :afro:
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Pale Roader

Quote from: Starliner on November 11, 2008, 12:12:49 PM
Never, ever, buy a rusty car even at low cost. 

Hah! unless its perfect in every other way. My wreck is probably a bit too rusty even for you unfortunates that live in the rust belt out East. Its pretty bad. And whats not rust is probably bondo... i probably dont want to know. BUT... it will never be any more than flat-black, dented and savage looking... so rust is easier to overlook than say, being an automatic (ugh...) or having a pile ov options (i hate options), or having the smaller engine, or the smaller diff, or blah blah... you get the point. I'd RATHER it was rust free... but if that was the case i would have actually had to pay for it.

At least it doesn't leak, and the holes in the floor are in the perfect spots so water doesn't come splashing in... unlike my Cadillac...

Delizious... your car is badass already... if only for that gnarly engine paint. I think i wanna paint mine something bizarre now too...

delizious

Right on! I think I'm going to cry   :'( You guys are the best
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blupinto

Right on Chris! You said it better than I did!

Delizious, I have two Pintos and an Isuzu Rodeo- plus I've driven many cars and trucks in my driving career but hands down the Pintos are the most fun! Compared to today's "more comfortable and efficient" cars the Pintos are promitive but then it's like riding bareback on a horse... you "feel" the car much better, and the thumbs-ups and "I love your Pinto!" exclamations only enrich the experience. And like Chris said, it's the relationship between you and the car. New mothers know the morning sickness, the waddling around, the labor pains, the birth... but when it's over all they remember is the joy and all the unpleasant stuff is forgotten.
One can never have too many Pintos!

popbumper

Becky hit it on the head. I am regularly asked, knowing the $$ I have already put into my wagon, if I have regrets or if I wished I had bought another car. Here's the way I think about it:

1) The Pinto is a passion; I wanted a Pinto, I have owned Pintos, I have fond memories of Pintos. This Pinto will be my crown jewel, far better than any before, and likely after.
2) This car is not one of countless thousands of Mustangs, Chevelles, Corvettes, or Camaros. I'm not in this to be part of the "crowd".
3) I am far enough into it that money/time is not the concern; I have to keep the end goal in mind. If I give up now, what have I gained? I lose the pride of doing it, the sweat of the effort, and a whole bunch of cash thrown away.
4) Sure, I could have waited, saved my money, bought something different, something done. Anyone with cash can buy something and show it off. The guy who labors over something has a STORY when he is done - not just evidence of deep pockets.

Getting philosophical, it's about the RELATIONSHIP, man and machine, the thrill of dirty hands and long hours. Sleepless nights wondering when it will be done. The thrill "of the hunt" - parts, resources, help, information. The culturing of patience. The mass of ideas, variations, paint schemes, motors, transmissions, interiors, colors, fabrics, rubber, steel, glass. The bliss of small but significant accomplishments. It's a big meal with plenty of side dishes, some are more tasty than others, but when the whole meal is consumed, the fat tummy cares only about the sum whole of the experience, not the creamed peas.

.....and that's all I have to say!!

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

blupinto

When you love something, and it's your passion you don't think of the cost. Well, I should amend...you don't think of the cost once your dream is accomplished.  ;D
One can never have too many Pintos!

dholvrsn

Quote from: hellfirejim on November 06, 2009, 06:11:08 AM
i have  more time and effort and money in this car than i ever dreamed of....

So I'm not the only one suffering from that....  ::)
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blupinto

Delizious, as another woman who loves her Pintos and wants them running like they were meant to I have to admire you. The hardest thing I've performed on my Runabout was replacing the water pump. I don't have a lot of mechanical knowledge but I do what I can because I love my girls and they are definitely worth it! In fact. as far as I'm concerned EVERY Pinto is worth it, but then I'm a confirmed Pinto Freak, have been since I was a small child. Nowadays money is real tight but I'll never sell my girls if I can help it- the only exception being if I find a '72 in Grabber Blue like my very first one (sadly gone but never forgotten)

Sorry. I digress... If you love that lil' car and your heart says keep her and do her right... DO IT! I would. Never mind the lost souls who poo poo your dreams and your car. If the situation there is anything like here, you'll get far more kudos than insults and you'll know when your car runs- and looks like- a champ that you did it and you'll have that pride no one can take away. You Go Girl!  ;D
One can never have too many Pintos!

Carolina Boy

Quote from: delizious on November 05, 2009, 11:36:49 PM
I dont know man...it has like 60,000 some miles on it, seems worth it to me.

Well look there, you said it, "It seems worth it to me". That is the first sign of Pintolics. We are all afflicked. Enjoy your car and as you've seen us guy are here for you if you have questions. There are a few guys down your way that might even come and help with you dream.

I add these pictures for motivation.
If life gives you a lemon, squeeze it in your moonshine and buy a Pinto.

hellfirejim

We all do this for different reasons.  I rescued a car going to be a race car.  i have  more time and effort and money in this car than i ever dreamed of but it has been good for me. As some know I have health problems and this little car has helped keep me going.  I love working on it to make it "better".  I love driving it because it is just so much damn fun.  I love the planing on what I am going to do next.  and finally i love working on it because i know one day it will go to my granddaughter who loves it.  [she is 15 and 1/2 ;-)]

One other point and that is the Pinto community. We are not splintered into opposing goups ie: restorers verses modifyers but we all accept each others cars because we all live under the singular Pinto banner.  This is very different from most other car groups.  We are as individual as our cars and that is what probably bands us together.  If you had to pick out a group you can not do any better.

jim
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PCCA Pinto Number #385


dave1987

Lower mileage than what mind had when I got it. More than 143,000! The first step to mine was the motor rebuild. It's been thing after thing on my list since then. Some of it major like the interior and the rear end and transmission. But at the same time, some of it has been modifications and regular maintenance. New ball joints, different steering wheel, center console, etc.
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delizious

I dont know man...it has like 60,000 some miles on it, seems worth it to me.
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r4pinto

Amen to that. I made that mistake first time around with my first Pinto, which became a parts car.

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77turbopinto

Quote from: Starliner on November 11, 2008, 12:12:49 PM
....Never, ever, buy a rusty car even at low cost...

Unless its a 'parts car'.


I agree, get as good of a car as you can to start with.


Bill
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Starliner

The only thing I would throw out there is that you need to envision your purpose and final result.
Next, you need the appropriate car.   Save the extra money to start with a good car.    I guarantee it will cost you more to make a poor condition car into the car of your you want rather than spending the extra 2-3 thousand on a great car.   
Never, ever, buy a rusty car even at low cost. 

1)  Driver - get a low mileage original car.   You don't want to rebuild everything.
2)  Race car - get a rust free shell or car. 
3)  Original or restored car - get a low mileage rust free car!
4)  Low production special version - not much choices here.




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1979 Pinto 2300 - Sold!
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douglasskemp

Can't wait to see it, would love to see the work in progress.  Maybe one of the meets in the near future will be close enough for you to bring your pony to, then you will be able to meet some of the folks on here and then you won't be able to say that you have no idea who we are :D
The Pinto I had I gave to my brother. The car was originally my mom's, (78 red Pinto sedan with a 2.3 and a 4spd.) I am originally from Tucson, AZ but moved to Oxnard CA :D
I'm looking for a Pinto wagon with an automatic.

delizious

you guys are freggin awesome. i think im going to cry. haha. just joshin...well kind of.


yea, all i needed was a boost to keep me going, even though i have no idea who you people are i never thought that there would be so many people to respond back to me.



i know when i get this ford pinto done with....you guys are gonna be jealous of how pimp it looks.
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dave1987

haha. I think we all get this way from time to time dholvrsn. :)

Sometimes I fall into a rut and don't want to continue with mine, but a quick trip to the salvage yard and ideas start to flow through my head.  :evil:
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I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dholvrsn

When she gets boosted enough, send some my way.
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dave1987

Here is the answer....

If it wasn't worth restoring (to you), you wouldn't have started this thread looking for more motivation to continue your project, with all of us doing what we can to keep you going. You really do want to restore it, but you have started to have doubts and you needed to hear from others that it would be worth it. By hearing how much we have loved restoring ours, and driving the ones that are so close to being finished, it keeps you on the Pinto path.

You just needed a little boost to keep you going. Am I right? :)
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Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dholvrsn

I'm currently involved with a turbo Pinto project that's taking four times the effort than I thought that it would, and I'm wondering if it's worth it, too.

I think I got Xeno's Pinto. I keep getting halfway and half of that there without ever getting all the way there.
'80 MPG Pony, '80-'92
'79 porthole wagon, '06-on
'80 trunk model. '17-on
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'98 Dodge Ram 1500
'95 Buick Riviera
'63 Studebaker Champ
'57 Studebaker Silver Hawk
'51 Studebaker Commander Starlight
'47 Studebaker Champion
'41 Studebaker Commander Land Cruiser