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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

The recall issue

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discolives78

I don't think the last posts are a hijack because we did talk about axle issues, it wasn't the original issue, but it was discussed.  No hard feelings to anyone, and I didn't mean to hijack someone elses thread either.  The whole point of this was "how long does/should the recalls last?"  and that question was answered, thanks to all!


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jimspinto

  Hi, All

  How about if you check my post "under warrantee work on a 30 year car"

  Even thou I don't want to close eather post (subject) I think that the problem has been resolved
  What hasn't been resolved (and may never be) is the way that Ford's so called "Customer Service" department treats  (or talks to) a person.  I think that's the poorest advertisement ANYONE could have, certainly doesn't invite a person  to purchase a new Ford.

  Somewhat a shame that I haven't (as yet, but will) found a person at Ford to vent to

   For now, best to all and thank you for all you effort,,,,Jim at jimspinto

77turbopinto

Quote from: popbumper on October 03, 2008, 05:14:15 PM
Ok, now I have conflicting reports on Maverick rear ends and their fit to Pintos. Can you elaborate on "just need some modification"?" It's nice to get the rest of the story - your statement just leaves me asking for more. Thanks.

Chris


http://www.fordpinto.com/smf/index.php/topic,953.msg31360.html#msg31360

The photo speaks for itself as far as the axle goes. The Pinto shock plates need to be slotted to fit the bigger u-bolts, but thats it. It depends on if you plan to keep the rubber/clamp thingies.

BTW: Who told you that info?

Bill

P.S., I don't think this is a hijack because the author of this thread was talking about these as well; could be wrong....
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popbumper

Quote from: 77turbopinto on October 03, 2008, 12:01:30 PM
Sorry, no, they don't, they just need some modifcation.


Bill

Ok, now I have conflicting reports on Maverick rear ends and their fit to Pintos. Can you elaborate on "just need some modification"?" It's nice to get the rest of the story - your statement just leaves me asking for more. Thanks.

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

discolives78

Thanks phils toys for taking the time to research this.  So thats the story, Ford only needed to honor the recall for 10 years.  Other Pintos were recalled for other issues, The 78 was recalled for safety belt retractor lock problems.  I never contemplated going to the dealership,  Mine were threadbare and faded so I swapped them out of an 80 parts car.   Shared opinions - If you don't feel safe driving it, don't drive it.  If its a safety issue, then it should be corrected.


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phils toys

Project:  NHTSA Hotline Center 
Case:  Recall question 
Case Number:  43515 

Date:  10/03/2008     Time:  10:27:10 
Creation Date:  10/03/2008     Creation Time:  10:24:03 

Description:
Entered on 10/03/2008 at 10:24:03 by pgriffis@mail.com:
From: Phillip griffis
Comments:
I have a question concerning the folowing recall
Make / Models : Model/Build Years:
FORD / PINTO 1971-1976

MERCURY / BOBCAT 1975-1976

Recall Number: 78V143000
Was/ is there a time frame for the recall as i recently purchased a 1976 Bobcat and i have sence noticed it did not recive the sheild for the recall. Just curious about my options before I try to contact Ford. I have seen the Recall kits for sale on eBay would i be better purchasing one and installing it my self or is Ford still responsable?
Thank you for you time.
Phil Griffis.

From NHTSA Web Site.

Entered on 10/03/2008 at 10:27:10 by CLR:
Thank you for contacting the U.S. Department of Transportation's Vehicle Safety Hotline Information Center.

Yes. There is a limitation based on the age of the vehicle. In order to be eligible for a free remedy, the vehicle cannot be more than 10 years old on the date the defect or noncompliance is determined. Under the law, the age of the vehicle is calculated from the date of sale to the first purchaser. For example, if a defect was found in 2003 and a recall ordered, manufacturers were required to make the correction available at no charge only for vehicles purchased new in 1994 through 2003. However, consumers should realize that even though manufacturers are not obligated to remedy safety defects in older cars, a safety problem might still exist. If you receive notification of a defect on a vehicle older than 10 years, take the responsibility to have your car repaired at your own expense – and eliminate unnecessary safety risks.

If the manufacturer challenges the agency's final decision of a safety defect, there is no obligation for the manufacturer to remedy the defect while the case is in court. If you decide to have your vehicle remedied at your own expense while the case is pending and the court upholds NHTSA's final decision, you may be entitled to reimbursement. (Be sure to save all receipts and paperwork so that you can prove the repairs were made.) However, if the court ultimately rules the defect is not safety-related, Federal law does not require that the manufacturer reimburse you for the repair work

We hope that you find this information helpful. However, if you need additional information on our services please feel free to contact us at 1-888-327-4236.

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77turbopinto

Quote from: popbumper on October 03, 2008, 11:04:51 AM
Yes, the shock perches have to be relocated as well. Sounds like a "bit of work".

Chris


Sorry, no, they don't, they just need some modifcation.


Bill
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popbumper

Quote from: 77turbopinto on October 02, 2008, 10:50:53 PM
I recall talking about this before......


BTW: Maverick = 5 lug, .5" narrower and not a "DIRECT BOLT IN"


Bill



Yes, the shock perches have to be relocated as well. Sounds like a "bit of work".

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

discolives78

easy to get off topic, Huh?  Wouldn't matter, my car has the plastic shield, and I feel safer in it than I did in my PT Cruiser.


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77turbopinto

I recall talking about this before......


BTW: Maverick = 5 lug, .5" narrower and not a "DIRECT BOLT IN"


Bill

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discolives78

Suggestion taken!  Going to u-pull it this weekend, been eyeing a 77 maverick! :afro:


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CHEAPRACER

On a more friendly note, Install an 8" rear axle assembly and that may cure 90% of the problem and may be more readily available then the recall kit.     And :welcome: to our club disco.
Cheapracer is my personality but you can call me Jim '74 Pinto, stock 2.3 turbo, LA3, T-5, 8" 3:55 posi, Former (hot) cars: '71 383 Cuda, 67 440 Cuda, '73 340 Dart, '72 396 Vega, '72 327 El Camino, '84 SVO, '88 LX 5.0

77turbopinto

Quote from: discolives78 on October 02, 2008, 10:25:38 PM
I should have clarified. I meant " I Read" (past tense) not "Please Read" And if it's a dead issue lets drop it. sorry to have stirred the pot.  I read in other posts that this site is "newbie friendly" I'll keep this in mind next time there's something I want to talk about.  I have had other non-Fords and dealt with dealerships and have had such bad experiences with them that I would rather drive my 30 year old car, work on it myself and assume that I am on my own when dealing with ANYTHING on this car.  There are 3 Ford dealerships in Albuquerque and every time I have tried to get anything for my Pinto, I get laughed at, but most of the time a salesman jumps me as I'm getting out to try to sell me a new Focus.

As far as impling that we are not "newbie friendly",  is it that you don't like the (my) opinions that you asked for?

You can see were a missing word or two can make a difference.

Bill
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discolives78

I should have clarified. I meant " I Read" (past tense) not "Please Read" And if it's a dead issue lets drop it. sorry to have stirred the pot.  I read in other posts that this site is "newbie friendly" I'll keep this in mind next time there's something I want to talk about.  I have had other non-Fords and dealt with dealerships and have had such bad experiences with them that I would rather drive my 30 year old car, work on it myself and assume that I am on my own when dealing with ANYTHING on this car.  There are 3 Ford dealerships in Albuquerque and every time I have tried to get anything for my Pinto, I get laughed at, but most of the time a salesman jumps me as I'm getting out to try to sell me a new Focus.


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77turbopinto

Quote from: CHEAPRACER on October 02, 2008, 10:10:06 PM
You would have if that caught fire and burned Connie to death and it was a known issue.

It was a known issue with this car when I purchased it, and it was repaired before I put the car on the road, but thanks for the kind words.

EDITED FOR CLAIRIFCATION (and then spelling)

Bill
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CHEAPRACER

Quote from: 77turbopinto on October 02, 2008, 10:00:28 PM
I don't plan on going after GM because a fuel line on the sending unit rotted on my car (if they made them better they would last longer).
Bill

You would have if that caught fire and burned Connie to death and it was a known issue.
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I think this issue is dead just like Freddie Mercury.. :lol:
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77turbopinto

Quote from: discolives78 on October 02, 2008, 08:24:53 PM
(PLEASE) Read post "warranty work on 30 year old car" in General Pinto Talk, and the question, more above personal research into the matter, is how many of us think that Ford should still take care of the problem (regardless of it being 30 years from the recall date) or how many of us believe that this matter is our problem now, just like a bad headlight switch.  Without a fight or bickering I would just like to know. Thanks

What makes you think I did not read that thread?

What 'we' think is irrelevant, its a legal issue. I don't plan on going after GM because a fuel line on the sending unit rotted on my car (if they made them better they would last longer). BTW: The car was OVER 7 years old and they did not have any left in stock NOR did they HAVE TO find me one.

Take a 20 year old motorcycle to most dealers (for service other than a tune-up) and see what happens. In my experience most (all that I know of) will say 'sorry, no thank you'.

If Ford has a record of the recall being done on a particular car, but recall parts have been removed by a past owner; tough luck to the current owner. If the car was never 'done' because the owner at the time never had it done I don't see how one can NOW 'blame' Ford.

This is not all to say that you WON'T find a dealer to help you, but if you do great. As I had to with my sending unit: one could find all the parts from other car(s) in good used condition.

Buyer BEWARE: A full inspection of a car before a purchase should include checking to see if all recall work has been done.

Bill
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turbo74pinto

i think the first recall was around 1954 for oil leaks in the new ohv v8s.  almost possative there were no recalls in 1907.   ;D

bob
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FCANON

I know one of the admins "Original74" had this taken care off not long ago..I'll let him tell the story.
    But I think it depends on the dealer ship going to bat for you or finding the part for the customer of the 30 year old car. Ford will pay the dealer ship for the recall work but the rest is up to the dealer ship. And some times the dearship will say, if you have the parts I'll do the work.

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discolives78

Read post "warranty work on 30 year old car" in General Pinto Talk, and the question, more above personal research into the matter, is how many of us think that Ford should still take care of the problem (regardless of it being 30 years from the recall date) or how many of us believe that this matter is our problem now, just like a bad headlight switch.  Without a fight or bickering I would just like to know. Thanks


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77turbopinto

You did not post it in the wrong place, I just gave you a link to other info on the matter.

I am not sure what you are looking for, maybe info from a product liability or personal injury attorney?

I don't think Ford can be held responsible if someone removed or changed out anything to do with the recall, never brought the car in for the 'service', or lack of routine maintenance/care.  IIRC: Even auto makers only need to stock replacement parts for 7 years, and can even refuse to work on cars of a certain age.


Bill
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discolives78

Sorry if I posted this in the wrong place.  I spent quite a while earlier following the provided links, and the discussion there pertains to the problem and the fix but does not discuss limit or duration of liability as I've suggested as far as I can tell. I am willing to learn and also willing to change my point of view if I'm wrong, so could you please point me to a topic where limit or duration of liability is discussed.


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77turbopinto

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discolives78

I appreciate everyone's input on the topic. I decided to start a new thread with my two cents.  I know I'm kinda the new kid on the block, so you old timers can take this with a grain of salt.  The average design life of an automobile is 10 years. The average life span of a car in this country is 13.5 years.  Yes, Ford made a mistake or two in dealing with this problem, Yes they have made the same mistake with other more modern vehicles, including the Crown Victoria which was used for cop cars and taxi cabs.  Now we are talking about cars that are between 37 and 27 years old, they have outlived their design expectancy by 3 times and beat the average life of a car by two.  Ford did recall the cars, say there were no cars presented between 1995 and 2005, should the Ford dealers still be required to keep at least one recall kit at every Ford dealership in the nation just in case one shows up?  Say you made a mistake 37 years ago and did everything in your power to correct it, but you missed one person,  yes you should try to help that one person, but to what extent?  Now say you are a major corporation,  you put out the recall notices, putting it in the owners hands to bring the car back and rectify the problem, but a few owners ignored the recall notice-is the blood still on their hands?  Yes, Ford should stand behind their products, and they should care about all of us, but with the volume of cars they manufacture, it seems like it would be impossible for them to support each model they have made from 1907 until now.  It is our responsibility to make sure the car we drive is safe, whatever car we choose.  Should Edsel owners be able to go back to modern Ford dealerships when their revolutionary car won't shift gears because something shorted out in the steering column?  I love my Pinto and hope I didn't rub anyone the wrong way with this post.


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