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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Popbumper's '76 wagon - update

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dave1987

Holy cow Chris! You sure don't settle for HALF-ASSED! lol! I don't either, but that's really taking it to the extreme! In a good way of coarse!
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

popbumper

God Bless you Russ - I have been reading your threads as well and you are approaching your car EXACTLY the way I did mine. Oh man, like other posters have shared, I NEVER anticipated going as far as I have, but one thing leads to another, and you are in deep.

My madness started when I pulled the carpets out and saw rust on the floor. I though, "well, gotta fix that". The wife comes outside and says - "why are the seats out"? "Well, gotta fix the floor....

The floor gets fixed, then the gas tank gets pulled to be flushed, coated, repaired. Tank goes back in, might as well change shocks. Let's pull the bumpers - man, the inserts are CRUSTY, let's get them blasted. Inspection of front end reveals terrible condition parts, so it all comes apart, gets sandblasted, gets rebuilt with new parts. ALL new parts. Fenders come off - crap, gotta fix those cowl rust holes. Vents are full of leaves, as is the heater box. Heater gets pulled, "might as well pull the dash". Oh, the windshield needs to come out, 'cause the rubber is dry. Hey, what's that rust up under the window frame? Geeze, the brake pedal setup looks lousy, let's restore it. Huh? Let's also add new firewall sound barrier and insulation, and then change to a power brake setup.

Lord, I hate that big rusty inner fender. Only way to get that fixed is to pull the motor and tranny. Yes, that hole is terrible - I need to drill out the 4,312 spot welds and put a NOS inner fender back in. Geeze, firewall looks terrible, you know, might as well clean and retore the engine compartment. What? Oh, man, the steering rack was knocking, and looks lousy. Let's put a new one in. Let's pull the doors off too.....and get the engine rebuilt. Don't forget, replace the headliner before the windshield goes back in.

Gotta fix that rust at the firewall seam. There, looks great. Hey, let's get some spray cans and repaint everything.  Time and money, time and money. :lol:

That's my story, I wish you luck. On the POR-15, I guess I picked it only because I found out about it before I found out about Eastwood stuff. I imagine they are both good products.

You know, Gene and Rob have been invaluable. Gene is a skilled welder, all around mechanic, and willing helper, and Rob is an engineer by day (as I am) and has an EXCELLENT eye for detail, so much so, that I "let him loose" on my stuff and never worry about the results. GREAT guys to know.

Best wishes Russ, you're in for a wonderful journey of rewards and tribulation. Keep at it, persevere, and get things done as you can. I have wanted to quit many times, but the progress keeps me going, as well as the positive comments by others in the "same war".

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

russosborne

Chris, you have done an amazing job so far. I hope mine will look as good as yours once I get that far.

Why did you choose the POR-15 over say the Eastwood line? I am still on the fence about which brand to use.

Can you send Gene and Rob over to my place in Akron for a visit? :-) Actually, I will be doing this all alone, which I really prefer. Makes some of the work more difficult, but that is just the way I am. I don't mind helping others though. Just "my car, MY work" type mentallity I guess. Plus, if something is done wrong, there is no doubt who did it. :-)

Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

popbumper

That color was mixed from the actual 1976 code that I gave the paint shop (Medium chestnut brown metallic). It is quite a bit darker than my factory paint, but I like how it looks, and I had better - since the whole car will be painted this way.  :P

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

78_starsky

love that colour you have there,  burnt orange?  looks very sharp with the black and the silver!!!

dave1987

Looks amazing! I love clean undercarriages and engine compartments! :D
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

popbumper

...bump...

Thanks Rob, again for posting the pics. I have some work to do on the engine compartment paint as it has some overspray issues and lacks a high shine level, probably due to the excess (90+ degree) temps and shooting it with spray cans. Not a failure in any way, just not as nice as it could have been.

My son digs the electric golf cart more than my Pinto  :nocool:, oh well, that's fine. Lots of work left!!

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

78txpony

A few days ago I went with Chris and his son to go check out the painted engine bay during daylight hours. 
It looks great in it's rich metallic paint.


There are a few flaws, but nothing that jumps right out at you.  In fact, the factory paint job would have looked much worse. 

Chris did make sure to add some factory looking runs, that were present on my car, too...
The bottom radiator frame was SO shiny, the reflection makes it look like its still in primer...   ::)
The reworked suspension and new steering gear look great against the new paint:

However, it makes the rust of the undercarriage look - uh, dirty!   :mad:

While Chris and I were checking out the details, the owner of the shop decided to teach Chris' son to drive his all-terrain golf cart.  I looked out just in time to see him trying to climb the ladder on the side of the shop...


By looking at this picture, one may think he busted the front wheel off and kept on going!


-Rob Young
1978 Pinto Pony sedan (Old Faithful) a.k.a. "the Tramp"
http://www.flickr.com/photos/thelonerider2005/sets
1972 Cutlass Supreme Convertible (442 clone) -"Lady" (My mistress...)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/robsalbum/sets
1986 Cutlass Supreme Coupe - "Pristine"
1997 H-D Sportster

popbumper

Yes, this reply is worthless without pics but I am excited nonetheless:

The engine compartment IS PAINTED as of this evening! Woohoo! The amount of time and effort I put into prep was well worth the result, it's absolutely beautiful, like a bright copper penny!!!

I ran out of daylight and had a full memory stick, will have to shoot pics probably Thursday, and get them up on Thursday or Friday evening. It's SO awesome to put a LOT of hours in tearing things apart, and finally seeing things going back together.

Sorry for the bandwidth, couldn't help myself, be back soon.

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

78txpony

Well, progress is starting to move forward more on this wagon that I am slowly inhereting out of labor...  ::)

Chris got the front crossmember repainted a few days back and today my job assignment was to get the new steery rack back in.  Chris supplied the paint fumes that drifted downward to get me in a better mood while i was in the engine bay torquing bolts...   :rolleye:

Pretty easy overall...  Bushings go in rack with flat part towards the frame. The two huge bolts were bought new at a local bolt supplier and inserted from the rear.  Rack went over bolts and existing special washers and nuts were cleaned and reused. The special washers crush the ends of the bushings, providing a nice tight rubber isolation. 
Then the tie rod ends were twisted on, making sure each threaded section is the same length.  After the engine goes back in, I will align it better. 
Ball joints were torqued and new cotter pins inserted.
Here it is installed:



This whole assy was wrapped with newspaper afterwards to protect from future overspray.

Here Chris continues painting the sides of the cowls with the body color paint that was put in rattle cans...


Here is one finished side:

Note the freshly resprayed undercoating, too.

I hope this paint does as good for the body as it does for the eyes (and nervous system)! 
:hypno:
Wonderful color IT IS!

It is sure nice to see new parts and body colored paint going ON now!  :lol:
-Rob Young
1978 Pinto Pony sedan (Old Faithful) a.k.a. "the Tramp"
http://www.flickr.com/photos/thelonerider2005/sets
1972 Cutlass Supreme Convertible (442 clone) -"Lady" (My mistress...)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/robsalbum/sets
1986 Cutlass Supreme Coupe - "Pristine"
1997 H-D Sportster

popbumper

Thanks Dave. Looking more and more like I will be going with a stock motor setup initially, in the hopes of saving some money in the short term and concentrating on structural/cosmetic areas, since performance can always follow. I have two motors - the original one with 65k that I am going to heavily scrub down and do some basic functional/cosmetic restoration, and a second motor, which is slated (as money allows) for a rebuild with heavy head work, cam, intake, all kinds of goodies.

At this point I really want to get the car back running to enjoy it - it's been under construction for two years and I don't plan on it exceeding the three year mark; given what I've yet to do, it's alot of work to squeeze into another year, but if I can get through bodywork and paint over the next 4 or 5 months, I think I can get very far with everything else after that. I want to drive my baby.....

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

dave1987

This project has some SOOO far from what it was before. Although not a WHOLE LOT has been done to the car, the engine compartment restoration alone is at least 40% of the work that needs to be done to this car! I hope to see either a souped up motor dropped in, or the original 2.3 rebuilt and back to NEW condition and appearance. This is going to be a truly amazing wagon once it's done! I hope Brownie comes out this well some day. Right now I"m tackling the transmission issue though, damn automatics!
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

popbumper

Update for June 06, 2010

Well, as seen in another current thread, "Summer is here". While most are enjoying their crops of summer veggies and fresh fruits, summer in Texas means H-E-A-T. We had a very nice Spring (I shoudl have accomplished more), but indeed we hit the century mark on the thermometer this weekend and are pretty much burying ourselves indoors keeping cool.

Now, apart from the photos and work last discussed, little has been done with the exception of sanding out the first engine compartment primer coat, carefully applying another, and getting the lower crossmember cleaned/treated/primered as well.

The plan? Well, I need to hit the car one early morning while the heat is down and get some factory topcoat (which I have had mixed) on the crossmember so I can get the new steering rack installed and finish the steering column restoration/reinstallation. Then, I need to get paint on the rest of the engine compartment and reinstall the brake system. Having brakes and steering again is very important.

Bodywork needs to be done, and done soon. I admit I have been lazy because of the heat (and the car being 20 miles away), but the sooner it all gets done the better. In the meantime, I can live vicariously through guys like Flash041 who has done a GREAT job of restoration on his car!! I'll get there....

Photo 1 - Crossmember prep - here we carefully cleaned the dirty, oily crossmember with POR-15 prep wash and then dried and sanded/painted it. While I had intended to remove and sandblast the two "framing rods" at the back, the thought of going after the big torx screw at the bottom of each turned me away, and I decided to leave all intact. You can also see some seam sealer applied here in the background. The compartment is clean and well sealed.

Photo 2 - Primecoat knockdown - the first coat of POR-15 etch primer was carefully sanded to reveal a lot of hidden ridges/bumps/valleys. While the idea here is not to have a "perfect" engine compartment, nonetheless, I am taking some time to make the surfaces very smooth and presentable for paint. I want the engine compartment to really stand out.
Here the crossmember has also been carefully primed.

Photo 3 - Second primecoat - the final prime coat after sanding. This coat now needs careful attention for fine sanding prior to color coat. The compartment looks very, very nice at this point.

Photo 4 - Eng comp detail - an angled shot of the prepped compartment. If you had ever seen the way this looked when I bought the car, it's a WORLD of difference.

More later as I get topcoat on these areas, and some mechanical parts reinstalled.

Chris


Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

75bobcatv6

you can buy those in the walmart paint dept right by the spray cans =P

dga57

VERY nice work!  You know... for a buck or two, you can purchase a plastic spray gun attachment that virtually eliminates "rattle can sore finger syndrome".  I won't even touch a rattle can without one anymore!

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

78txpony

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A few days later, Chris and I revisited the car armed with wirebrushes and sandpaper. 

As Chris roughed up the cured POR15, I attacked the crossmember and some untouched areas on the firewall and part of the tranny tunnel with drill-mounted wire brushes.  The rust and dirt came off easily. 
At the same time, Chris cleaned the upper areas with naphtha, giving me a temporary high since the fumes sank down towards me...   :hypno: :hypno:  ;D


After it was cleaned, the crossmember and other stripped areas were sprayed with metal-ready and allowed to dry.  Finally a good coat of POR15 self-etching primer was applied to everywhere but the crossmember, which will get a separate treatment. 


We took turns due to the "rattle can sore finger syndrome"...  :o


And here it is – ready for another couple coats of primer and then the body color topcoat!  :amazed:


We both agreed that the progress looks to be towards the top of the hill now!  8)

-Rob Young
1978 Pinto Pony sedan (Old Faithful) a.k.a. "the Tramp"
http://www.flickr.com/photos/thelonerider2005/sets
1972 Cutlass Supreme Convertible (442 clone) -"Lady" (My mistress...)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/robsalbum/sets
1986 Cutlass Supreme Coupe - "Pristine"
1997 H-D Sportster

78txpony

Quote from: popbumper on May 17, 2010, 09:04:11 PMMaybe I can buy him some beer and he'll throw in a few $$ towards the restoration. Hey, a guy can dream.....any sponsors out there???

Hey, I'll work for beer, especially "Nuclear Tactical Penguin"....   ::)  :P
-Rob Young
1978 Pinto Pony sedan (Old Faithful) a.k.a. "the Tramp"
http://www.flickr.com/photos/thelonerider2005/sets
1972 Cutlass Supreme Convertible (442 clone) -"Lady" (My mistress...)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/robsalbum/sets
1986 Cutlass Supreme Coupe - "Pristine"
1997 H-D Sportster

popbumper

Well heck Rob, you did such a super-fine job of reporting my (er, in this case "our") progress, I'll let you do it again tomorrow night  :lol:. Thanks for posting. Geeze, guys, please talk me into KEEPING this car, it's wearing me out. Of course, with Rob at the helm, it should go twice as fast.

Maybe I can buy him some beer and he'll throw in a few $$ towards the restoration. Hey, a guy can dream.....any sponsors out there???  :P

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

dave1987

Nice progress! Gotta love a super clean, NO RUST car!
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

78txpony

However, thanks to Chris holding the bolt head with a wrench, my handy electric impact wrench on the nuts, and the "lack of engine" that allowed me to get right in there, I spun those rusty nuts off effortlessly.   :amazed:


The tie-rod end ball joint cotter pins were pulled and the castle nuts removed and reinstalled upside down with the nut just above the stud some. 
Following my trusted motto "Pickle fork thingie BAD, hammer GOOD!"  :lol:, the tie rod ends were pounded off and are reusable since they only had about 300 feet of use so far...  :rolleye:

The steering coupler bolt was removed last and the clamp pried apart slightly. 


The huge bolts were rusty, but salvagable.  Chris had to beat one out with a hammer, as rust had stuck it well in the rack bushing. The other was loosey-goosey.

Now with it all loose, I wanted to give a hefty tug on it to hopefully disengage the steering shaft.  Heave-ho!! 

KER-CHUNK!!

Unexpectingly, in a flash of light and a splash of dirt, the whole thing came off in my hand, almost straining my arm. 
I never thought it would be that easy!   :surprised:


Next we both removed the throttle cable, clutch cable, and hood release cable, giving a bare firewall, ready for PAINT PREP!  This went fast with two people.
Afterwards we both grabbed sandpaper, scrapers, etc and in only 10 minutes, made a big difference. 


Tomorrow we will get the wirewheels out, finish cleaning, and hopefully get some sort of paint-like substances applied to it!   ::)

Chris's new rack came in, sans bushings  :nocool:, so he will order some from Rockauto. In the meantime, the tie rod ends will be installed and the engine bay finished up. 

Back to you, Chris!
-Rob Young
1978 Pinto Pony sedan (Old Faithful) a.k.a. "the Tramp"
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1972 Cutlass Supreme Convertible (442 clone) -"Lady" (My mistress...)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/robsalbum/sets
1986 Cutlass Supreme Coupe - "Pristine"
1997 H-D Sportster

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Well so far, the POR 15 treatment went well.  Chris roughed up the surfaces of the engine bay and applied the self-etching primer...


Looks good - adhesion seems great. 


Time for me to report the following progress on the steery rack pull, since I did most of the work...  :P
I had done this before, so it was nothing new.  It needed replacement anyways and also it would be a great time to clean and paint under it. 


The hardest part is usually getting the two huge bolts off that hold it to the frame......... . 

-Rob Young
1978 Pinto Pony sedan (Old Faithful) a.k.a. "the Tramp"
http://www.flickr.com/photos/thelonerider2005/sets
1972 Cutlass Supreme Convertible (442 clone) -"Lady" (My mistress...)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/robsalbum/sets
1986 Cutlass Supreme Coupe - "Pristine"
1997 H-D Sportster

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Thanks Rob. The POR-15 has special etchant primer that comes in a spray can - and is VERY expensive ($28/can). Fortunately, I don't need a LOT of it. I also "rough up" the cured surface before I apply primer to make sure it "takes". After that, I can use regular primer before paint.

Trying to get done, though so far this Spring has been very nice - maybe we'll have a non-sweltering Summer....maybe....

Chris

Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

78txpony

Smells like progress, Chris - keep it up! 
It is nice to see some good structure in there now. Hopefully the rust thing is all gone.
The POR15 looks good.  What is used to bond your new paint to the POR15?  I think there is a special primer or something to use to paint over cured POR...
That thing is gonna look sharp.  Hope you are able to get it painted up before the summer heat wave settles in and wont budge!
-Rob Young
1978 Pinto Pony sedan (Old Faithful) a.k.a. "the Tramp"
http://www.flickr.com/photos/thelonerider2005/sets
1972 Cutlass Supreme Convertible (442 clone) -"Lady" (My mistress...)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/robsalbum/sets
1986 Cutlass Supreme Coupe - "Pristine"
1997 H-D Sportster

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Once the new panels were installed, I spent about an hour grinding down the "spot welds" that the school had created, just to neaten up the panel interfaces. Once this was done, I also did a bit more wire wheeling, and then hit all surfaces with "sanding sponges" to give them some "bite".

Photo 4: The cowl and jamb had been treated with POR-15 previously, and I needed to get some etch primer on there. This is not a completed coat, as it will join the other surfaces in th engine compartment as well when all are primed in readiness for paint.

Photo 5 - There is nothing quite as beautiful as gloss POR-15. It amazes me how you can BRUSH this stuff on and get such superior coverage and smooth flowout. I did not have enough time to get the entire compartment done, but got quite a bit finished on the passenger inner, 1/2 the cowl, and the rad support. I ran into some "fish eyes" at the right, which means I need to go back and do some careful cleaning before I complete the painting of the engine compartment.

Photo 6 - Another view. The POR-15 will effectively seal all of the original surfaces and allow a fresh starting point for new paint.

Within a few weeks the engine compartment should be complete (meaning, painted in new body color). I also plan to replace the original steering rack, and restore the steering column. Then, on to the major body panels!

Chris

Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

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Update for May 2, 2010

This Spring in North Texas has been a delight, though I find myself somewhat non-motivated spending more time with the family outdoors than working on the Pinto. Regardless, strides HAVE been made and this year promises to be a turning point for the progress on this long project. Nearly two years into it, the major rust is finally gone, and the body is now at a point where I can begin bodywork. In fact, I have been out purchasing many supplies in preparation for what promises to be a summer full of bodywork and paint.

Let's take a look at some progress.

Photo 1 - This photo shows the new NOS passenger inner fender installed. Thanks to the fine folks at a local high school (who will be given credit at car shows), the inner fender is installed and the rust is gone. A LOT of work went into drilling out the many, many spot welds and cleaning up the rust damage that plagued this automobile, but it's finally done and I can move on.

Photo 2 - Same inner fender from wheel side. These guys did an EXCELLENT job welding all the holes where the original spot welds were. After some minor grinding work, it barely looks "non-factory".

Photo 3 - Given that my original lower radiator brace was swiss cheese, our own celebrity FRED was kind enough to provide me a replacement unit for a small fee, and the shop welded it in perfectly. As I said, the rust is GONE!!!
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

barneybutler

thanks, when you find bushings for your steering column would you let me know where you got them.
I found out that you have to remove the steering wheel and blinkers to get to the clip that holds the lock in. 
thanks again.
Barney

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Barney:

I don't plan to install new bushings, I have TWO colums, the one that is in the car and another I pulled off of the '78 and started restoring. The lock cylinder comes out easily, I have not done it yet, maybe one of the guys here can tell you - make a separate post and ask. I have seen pictures of the process but have yet to do it so I can't explain.

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

barneybutler

I would like to know where you are going to get steering column bushings and repair parts because I finally got my pinto off the trailer and started the motor.  runs good but still no radiator or belts, etc.
my steering column is very loose and the key lock is buggered up.  I don't suppose you know how to remove the lock cylinder??
thanks
Barney

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>Addendum<

Been almost two years and I finally feel like I am actually getting somewhere. With the body pretty much stripped out, I will start doing bodywork (to prep for a repaint) before it gets real hot outside. Along with this will be:

1) Rack and pinion replacement
2) Steering column restoration
3) Rear end and spring replacement/restoration

LOTS of work to do but I feel like there's been good progress. If I can get this done in three years I'll feel pretty good about it. Stay tuned!!

Chris

Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

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Update for 4/15/10

Good evening all, time for the ""rubber to hit the road". This Winter was a real slowdown for my progress but I am at it again, making the best of the nice weather and trying to get some big work done.

The removal of the inner fender was a MAJOR step towards rust repair on my car, and it is now complete. In fact, I dropped the car off at the local high school shop yesterday afternoon, and was phoned this afternoon with a wonderful message - the car is ready. Holy cow - 24 hours? Incredible. The shop teacher said - "hey, you did all the hard work, putting the new fender in was easy". :lol: ALL THE RUST IS FINALLY GONE, when the car gets back in the garage, it's BODYWORK time!!

The following photos capture the process of taking the car to the shop. As soon as I get it back, I will show the rework that was done, but for now, please enjoy these shots. Man I am getting STOKED!

Photo 1 - Inner fender shot - this shows, again, what the vehicle looks like minus the inner fender. It's not pretty!

Photo 2 - Side shot - this is a passenger side shot which shows the obvious rear quarter damage, the interior / firewall reconstruction

Photo 3 - Interior - shot showing the floors and firewall

Photo 4 - Empty cabin - not a whole lot left back there!!
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08