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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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jimspinto



  I'd thought I'd answered this before, but I don't see a post from me.

  I have about twenty eight cars (and a couple three or four parts cars, I call half cars)
 
  Twelve of them are completely done (are they ever done ?) and I'd love to say that they are driven, but a few never made it out of the garage last year.  If it doesn't stop raining, a higher number wont make it out this year.  Damm !

  I will try to list every car, I'm starting in garage(s) that are closest to the house and going from there.

  1982 L.T.D.Station Wag. (28,000 miles)
  1969 Ranchero car / pickup  (body repainted, motor,  trans, interior replaced, but not correct to car, somewhat custom.)
  1963 Thunderbird (this is a "M Series" Hardtop, 1 of 28 built, very rare car )
  1979 Lincoln Mark (a like new car, 25,000 miles)
  1978 Ford F250 Pickup (purchased new, I was drunk that day, always wondered why I purchased it, and thought I wouldn't have had I been sober, it has only 27,000 miles)
   1961 Mercury convertable (43,000 miles, all original car)
   1955 Thunderbird  (low milage car, but I did a body on resto about 15 / 20 years ago, its still very nice)
   1971 Mustang convertable (low mileage, original except its repainted)
   1936 Ford Cabriolet convertable  (a complete body off resto, spent about twice what the cars worth, but the cars beautiful and has a 1936 Mullins trailer to go along with it)
   1995 Mustang GT convertable.  5.0, 5 speed (purchased it new, drove it only in the summers, for over a hundred thousand miles, every one of them like I'd stole it)
   1978 Mustang King Cobra ( body off resto of a 61,000 mile car, and it looks it, a rare and beautiful car)
   !973 Pinto Sta. wag. (38,000 mile all original car, the sought after "little old lady car")

   A few members stopped to see the cars (during our "Ohio Get Together") so they may comment on them, you'd get an unbiased opinion, but I'd say there all are near perfect, and fun to drive

   Thanks Jim at jimspinto

douglasskemp

neat stuff!  We have a decent collection setting in the southern AZ sun:

73 Pinto sedan
77 Pinto wagon
78 Pinto sedan
79 Pinto hatch
67 Mustang coupe (x2)
76 Mustang ghia
77 Mustang coupe
87 Mustang hatch (this one is with us in TN)
78 F-150 4x4
69 F-100
72 Chevy K5 Blazer
81 Chevy C10
76 GMC C15
55 Chevy 3100 (hand-me-down from my great-grandfather)
--In all fairness, these do not all have my name on the title, but they are all part of the family.
The Pinto I had I gave to my brother. The car was originally my mom's, (78 red Pinto sedan with a 2.3 and a 4spd.) I am originally from Tucson, AZ but moved to Oxnard CA :D
I'm looking for a Pinto wagon with an automatic.

LBF

I own a few old cars:
1966 Superior Pontiac Bonneville Ambulance
1966 Superior Cadillac Combination
1966 National Ford Ranch Wagon Ambulance
1967 Superior Cadillac Combination
1967 Superior Pontiac Bonneville Hearse
1970 Superior Pontiac Bonneville Ambulance
1972 Cotner-Bevington Oldsmobile 98 Hearse
1972 Superior Cadillac Combination
1973 Miller Meteor Cadillac Hearse
1974 Superior Cadillac 3-way Hearse
1975 Superior Cadillac Coupe De Fleur Flower Car
1975 S&S Cadillac Hearse
1977 Miller Meteor 3-way Hearse
1986 Eureka Pontiac Parisienne Hearse
1989 Superior Cadillac 6 Door Limousine

I also own a '74 Ford Fire Truck, and a '71 International Fire Truck, as well as a '69 Cadillac Calais that is still at the body shop, and a '77 AMC Hornet that my Great-Grandmother bought new.  My first car was, of course, a v8 Pinto. 

dangerusdug

1979 Bobcat htbk: 1971 VW Dune Buggie: 1972 VW Bug Modified...

earthquake

I have a couple of classics,we still have our 76 f250 purchased new in 75 now has 108k orig miles.The other is a 74 ranchero 1 ton 4x4.As for classics owned my favorite car and biggest mistake for letting it go was a 64 chevy Impala 409 2x4bbl 4sp.I purchased the car in 78 for $400.00 cause the owner thought the motor was blown.Turns out it sucked the intake gasgets causing it to burn alot of oil.New intake gasgets and it ran perfect.we added a set of hooker headers and a set of sticky mickeys took it to SIR and ran 11.22 at 127 mph.not bad for a basically stock 4000 pound car.Who knew the car would be going for 7 figures today.I sold it cause my dad felt it was too much car for an 18 yr old boy to have.
73 sedan parts car,80 crusin wagon conversion,76 F 250 460 SCJ,74 Ranchero 4x4,88 mustang lx convertable,and the readheaded step child 86 uhhh Chevy 4x4(Sorry guys it was cheap)

pintowoman73

 :fastcar:  Yes, My husband has a 69 Chevelle and I have a 73 Pro Street Pinto.  And yes the Pinto get more looks than his Chevelle


Pintowoman73
Love driving my 73 Pro Street Pinto.

gordie

I have some other cars but no classics.  A couple of fun ones besides my Pinto is a '47 Crosley, '35 DeSoto Airflow, '15 Model T roadster hot rod, 23 Model T touring with all Pinto drive train, '40 Ford coupe that I have owned for 50 years this year, '65 Mustang GT conv. that I have owned for 37 years.  They were cheap then!  '47 Graham Paige built Frazer, '48 Frazer Manhattan, '51 Hudson Commodore six coupe, '51 Kaiser Dlx. club coupe,  '39 Mercury conv.  My Mothers '58 Metropolitan coupe, '48 Playboy conv. '83 Reliant Rialto 3 wheel car, '41 Studebaker pick up, 66 Studebaker Daytona coupe, '53 Willys Aero Eagle hard top and '54 Willys Aero Eagle Custom hard top.  I just bought one of the new Whizzer motor bikes to replace the one that I bought when I was 14 in 1947.  I have had over 10,000 cars during 40 years as a used car dealer in Los Angeles and I did have some classics over the years and I wish I could have kept more of them but money and space have always been a problem.  I sure enjoy the ones I have and feel lucky to be able to be the caretaker of them.  They will still be around long after I am gone!

Srt

Quote from: Wittsend on July 16, 2008, 12:54:41 AM
SRT,
  Interesting connection with the pictures of the two cars I posted (510/Tiger). John Morton who raced the BRE 510's worked for Shelby when he developed the Tiger.  To be more precise it was actually John's father-in-law, George Boskoff who did all the Tiger development for Shelby.

Anyway, it was this connection that has John currently diving Buck Trippel's "Sports Car Forum" Tiger in vintage races.  Boskoff was the guest speaker at our yearly Tiger events a few years ago. Both he and John recounted some very interesting stories about life at Shelby's.

I was a frequent visitor to turn 6 (the uphill after the chicane) at Riverside as a kid.
Tom

Turn 6 was GREAT.  You could see straight down the track to see them coming past the start/finish and up the esses around 6 and down to 7 (short course) and almost all the way down the long back stretch.

I took my Pinto to a few SCCA club events there in the early '70's. One time in particular I was going side-by-side with a guy in an Opel (we were real evenly matched) and neither of us wanted to lift going over the rise just before 7. Needless to say, we both did a side ways dance;  perferctly choreographed, into the dirt and then back on the track just before 8 .. Scared the crap out of me cause we had to have been doing around 70-80mph but we both came out without a scratch.
 
the only substitute for cubic inches is BOOST!!!

Farmboy

Quote from: rkk on July 13, 2008, 05:32:24 PM
69 AMX 390 GOPAK, headers, cam,dualpoint, 3.90 rearend.  I LOVE It.  Most people don't even know what it is.  A Rambler!
My dream car!!! very nice, there still is AMX running around our town that was there when I was in High school back in the 70's, it only comes out in the sunny'st days>
  I do what the voices in my Pinto tell me to do




74 Pinto Wagon
71 Runabout (parts car)

Wittsend

SRT,
  Interesting connection with the pictures of the two cars I posted (510/Tiger). John Morton who raced the BRE 510's worked for Shelby when he developed the Tiger.  To be more precise it was actually John's father-in-law, George Boskoff who did all the Tiger development for Shelby.

Anyway, it was this connection that has John currently diving Buck Trippel's "Sports Car Forum" Tiger in vintage races.  Boskoff was the guest speaker at our yearly Tiger events a few years ago. Both he and John recounted some very interesting stories about life at Shelby's.

I was a frequent visitor to turn 6 (the uphill after the chicane) at Riverside as a kid.
Tom

2.3stangii

Mine are listed in my sig. except my 87 El Camino that I cant decide whether to keep it or use the engine in my Impala and sell it, and 83 Chevy cavalier hatchback that I use for storage lol Don't know if those are considered "classics" though. All mine are junk though, almost all of my cars were bought at junkyards. They'll never be restored more like "fixed up" a little.
78 Pinto wagon
74 Mustang II
78 Cobra II

Pinturbo75

this is my never ending project. every time i think im getting close to putting it back together i find something else to change.......

http://www.ford-trucks.com/user_gallery/displayalbum.php?userid=176595&albumid=11982
75 turbo pinto trunk, megasquirt2, 133lb injectors, bv head, precision 6265 turbo, 3" exhaust,bobs log, 8.8, t5,, subframe connectors, 65 mm tb, frontmount ic, traction bars, 255 lph walbro,
73 turbo pinto panel wagon, ms1, 85 lb inj, fmic, holset hy35, 3" exhaust, msd, bov,

Srt

nice rides there.  i always wanted a 510.  used to watch them at riverside a lot
the only substitute for cubic inches is BOOST!!!

Wittsend

1973 Pinto Wagon (Turbo 2.3 / 5 speed conversion in process)
1973 Datsun 510 (free gift from the original owner)
1973 Plymouth Valiant (318, many police car upgrades, clean, 86K, too costly to drive)
1965 Sunbeam Tiger (certified 'real,' the 101st one made - work in progress)
1963 Rambler American (rare one year only Hardtop roofline)
1961 Corvair Station Wagon (someday - maybe, storage shed)

My eyes are bigger than my garage. My strength is weaker than my will.
Tom

Srt

Quote from: FCANON on July 13, 2008, 08:09:01 AM
I have a 1960 Falcon 2 door station wagon I was using as a delivery car for my Business (PintoWorks)

It's sits with a inline 200 with a Aussie 250 head and a Borg 5 speed and a 4 lug Maverick Rear end Sporting a Mustang II rear sway bar . It's a treat to drive and work on.

I hope to have it in color by next summer.

Frankboss

now that is a COOL car
the only substitute for cubic inches is BOOST!!!

Srt

not anymore...but this what i have owned

1962 t-bird 406 police interceptor motor with 3 deuces
1963 ford country squire 390(the 3 deuces off the t-bird) with three on the tree & overdrive
1955 chevy 210 - 2 door wagon
1923 t bucket with a 4 cyl cast iron chev motor and a powerglide
1972 fiat 124 spider
1972 capri 2600/4spd/turbo
1974 lotus elansprint
1972 olds delta 88 (now THAT was a land yacht)
1974 buick Skylark GS455 stage 2
1969 chevelle with a 488 BB, 4:11's and not enough tire to make it stick or go straight
1971 pinto with a 2 litre turbo, 4spd,3:55's.
1980 fairmont wagon with a 302 mustang HO motor
and a '67 chevy c-10 p/up now in the back yard collecting dust

the only substitute for cubic inches is BOOST!!!

Smeed

Quote from: turbo74pinto on July 13, 2008, 10:33:46 AM
1941 ford 2door sedan flathead v8 and a 1934 dodge 5 window coupe.  the 41 was my first car that i bought when i was 15 in 1995.  drove it to high school my senior year.  now i just work on it on my liesure.  going for a 60s style rod. the 34 dodge my father and i bought as a streetrod project to build and sell. mii front end, 350 out of an escalade, 700r4, 8 inch rear and will be full fendered.

bob

You had a '41 for your first car? Thats awesome. I was hoping to find some old tank like yours but I feel lucky to have a pinto pinto for a first car.

I dont have any other classic cars (as much as I want to buy just about everything on craigslist), but since I live with my parents Ill list what my dad's got. Hes got a '74 260Z and a '70 Chevy C10. The truck is due for an overhaul and the picture of the 260Z is a couple years old. Its been painted blue since.




'73 runabout

FCANON

Nope most were 4 doors, two door wagons weren't practicle  for family life.

FrankBoss
www.pintoworks.com   www.tirestopinc.com
www.stophumpingmytown.com
www.FrankBoss.com

Reed

Yah.  For the first few years of my car obsession I was deeply into slant sixes.  Fortunately, i was able to get all of those cars cheap.  After slant sixes came vans, and now I am moving into Pintos.  Of course, i probably won't own six or eight of them....
Looking for:  Rear and side window louvers for a 71 sedan, 15 inch aluminum slotted mags and tires (Ansen sprint style), and an Offenhauser dual-port intake for a 2000cc motor.

rkk

Reed, I think I see a trend toward Chrysler products. ;D
1976 TURBO PINTO
1969 AMC AMX not a pinto, but I like it, fast for not being a FORD (It's different just like a PINTO)

Reed

Not anymore.  Over the years I have owned a few though:

1964 Plymouth Valiant Signet
1966 Plymouth Barracuda Formula "S"
1966 Plymouth Barracuda
1968 Dodge Dart Sedan
1972 Dodge Demon
1972 Plymouth Roadrunner
1972 Plymouth Satellite Custom sedan
1973 Coupe DeVille
1974 Dodge Tradesman
1974 Plymouth Scamp
1974 Plymouth Valiant Brougham
1976 Plymouth Volare Premiere sedan
1978 Dodge Tradesman
1978 Plymouth Volare station wagon
1978(?) Chevy Malibu wagon
1979 Dodge Tradesman
1980 Chrysler Cordoba


and that doesn't include all the parts cars that have come and gone as well as other non-classic cars.....
Looking for:  Rear and side window louvers for a 71 sedan, 15 inch aluminum slotted mags and tires (Ansen sprint style), and an Offenhauser dual-port intake for a 2000cc motor.

rkk

69 AMX 390 GOPAK, headers, cam,dualpoint, 3.90 rearend.  I LOVE It.  Most people don't even know what it is.  A Rambler!
1976 TURBO PINTO
1969 AMC AMX not a pinto, but I like it, fast for not being a FORD (It's different just like a PINTO)

69GT

  Studebaker.... Love those.  several showed up to a local car show here in Fresno. Silver Hawks are my favorite. :)   

dholvrsn

'80 MPG Pony, '80-'92
'79 porthole wagon, '06-on
'80 trunk model. '17-on
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'98 Dodge Ram 1500
'95 Buick Riviera
'63 Studebaker Champ
'57 Studebaker Silver Hawk
'51 Studebaker Commander Starlight
'47 Studebaker Champion
'41 Studebaker Commander Land Cruiser

turbo74pinto

1941 ford 2door sedan flathead v8 and a 1934 dodge 5 window coupe.  the 41 was my first car that i bought when i was 15 in 1995.  drove it to high school my senior year.  now i just work on it on my liesure.  going for a 60s style rod. the 34 dodge my father and i bought as a streetrod project to build and sell. mii front end, 350 out of an escalade, 700r4, 8 inch rear and will be full fendered.

bob
Take a job big or small, do it right or not at all.

FCANON

I have a 1960 Falcon 2 door station wagon I was using as a delivery car for my Business (PintoWorks)

It's sits with a inline 200 with a Aussie 250 head and a Borg 5 speed and a 4 lug Maverick Rear end Sporting a Mustang II rear sway bar . It's a treat to drive and work on.

I hope to have it in color by next summer.

Frankboss
www.pintoworks.com   www.tirestopinc.com
www.stophumpingmytown.com
www.FrankBoss.com

map351

73 2.3Turbo Pinto
6S1941 / 289 Slab Side
40 Ford Sedan Delivery  For Sale

Pinto FiberGlass
https://picasaweb.google.com/73turbopinto/PintoHotpantsKitNewFrontAirdam

TIGGER

I have two Mustangs but only one is a classic.  My Mom bought the 67 new and gave it to me for my 14th birthday as a project.  The 96 I bought in 99 from a friend of mine who was going thru a divorce.  It is one of 140 in that color with a 5 spd and leather interior.  My dream car is a 66 GT350 Hertz, dark green with gold stripes.  I will build a clone someday as I no longer can afford an original.  I have been collecting parts for my clone for 15 years.  All I need now is the body.  MAP you are a lucky man.
79 4cyl Wagon
73 Turbo HB
78 Cruising Wagon (sold 8/6/11)

Bipper

1956 Buick Super my grandparents bought new and 1971 Torino GT.

Bob
71 Sedan, stock
72 Pangra
73 Runabout, 2L turbo propane

69GT

You guys should put up some pics. Why do you like the other classics? Special memories? Always wanted one?  The Maverick was always a favorite of mine. I liked Mustangs of course but the early Mavs looked like a fat free muscle car. Quite good looking too. My parents had two Pintos when I was growing up but I never wanted one till I drove one. It was the best seat, shifter, steering wheel spacing ever. Almost made to race.  Just the right distance from the wheel to the shifter. Seat is just the right height. The Maverick is a very close second in my book.