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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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earthquake

Quote from: D.R.Ball on May 31, 2008, 09:27:54 AM
Do not bllame the oil companies blame the Chinese and India , Between them they want to OWN all of the OIL and why do you ask....Because they can...The price of a gallon of gas in China is $2.29 a gallon.....So who is fu#king us yes they are...Are of course our allies( Mexico etc) because of Stalianiis way of running things ie NO FREE MARKET)!!!! We are scre@wed..........
that's hitting the nail square on the head.You forgot one thing,those that have prevented us from going after our own oil.
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Lost Coz

Another quick update...I left last Friday, went to Sacramento, paid $4.59 per gallon for gas, went to Pittsburg, Ca, Paid $4.62 per gallon, went up the coast, Hwy 101 thru the Redwoods, paid $4.67 in Willits, Fueled again in Eureka, $4.65 per gallon, crossed back into Redding on Hwy 299 and fueled on the way North on I-5 at Shasta Lake City for $4.55. I sure am Glad the Harley got 42+ average on this ride. For the 4 days, including the fill-up when I left for $4.55 per gallon, the cost for gas was just over $100.00. The oil companies really stink! I'm sure glad I have something that gets realistic mileage. :showback:NO vasaline please... :lol:
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CHEAPRACER

I would have no problem buying a Honda Rebel or something even smaller to save a bunch in gas but I'm sure some moron late for work or shaving while driving would just run me off the road. Instead of car pool lanes, maybe there sure be scooter lanes.
Cheapracer is my personality but you can call me Jim '74 Pinto, stock 2.3 turbo, LA3, T-5, 8" 3:55 posi, Former (hot) cars: '71 383 Cuda, 67 440 Cuda, '73 340 Dart, '72 396 Vega, '72 327 El Camino, '84 SVO, '88 LX 5.0

D.R.Ball

Do not bllame the oil companies blame the Chinese and India , Between them they want to OWN all of the OIL and why do you ask....Because they can...The price of a gallon of gas in China is $2.29 a gallon.....So who is fu#king us yes they are...Are of course our allies( Mexico etc) because of Stalianiis way of running things ie NO FREE MARKET)!!!! We are scre@wed..........

dga57

$3.47???  Not bad.  Here in the Shenandoah Valley of Virginia, I paid $3.86 for regular yesterday.  Was going to fill up my Durango but chickened out and stopped at $75.00 instead.  That should get me through the weekend! LOL
Dwayne :smile:
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dave1957

I"m in central wyo. the price of gas here was 347 a gallon at noon the geo is a 92 and 93 bought them both for $125
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FCANON

yah for a moment I thought I was somewhere else.....


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Fred Morgan

Thank's Pintosopher, I wrote that down. These day's I haft to right everything down. I hate it when I drive to auto part's go to counter tell the guy I needed a part for a car but I have no idea what it was, so get in car drive home    ??? ???    :)  Fred.
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Pintosopher

Oops . my bad  :look:
It's Fred and I'm still terrible with names...

Pintosopher
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

Check my Pinto Poems out...

Pintosopher

Hey Frank,
Got Laptop and WI FI ? Check out gasbuddy.com. Punch in brands, cities, etc. It's a honor based reporting system, but I use it here in Sacramento, no problems with accuracy from fuel buyer reporting.

Safe trip..

Pintosopher
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

Check my Pinto Poems out...

Fred Morgan

Hi Dave, were is HERE and what year Metro did you buy.  ???   I see you are conserving for the important stuff beer and cable TV   :lol:   :)
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dave1957

 yeah the price of gas is getting aweful..just picked up a geo metro so i could afford stuff like beer and cable tv gas went up 17 cents a gallon here in a week,
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Fred Morgan

Hi does anyone else have current price's on 87 for CA, OR and WA I-5. I am leaving Monday AM thank's Fred.   ???   :)
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Fred Morgan

lost coz thank's for info, I can't go buy rail I haft to deliver pinto part's, so I will be checking this 1 everyday until I leave on the 2nd of June. Fred    :)
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Lost Coz

I just got in from a Memorial Day Ride thru Northern California. When I fueled the Harley at the Chevron in Shasta Lake City, 91 was $4.59 a gallon. The 87 octane at the same station was $4.26 and diesel was$5.00 a gallon. Right across the street was a Valero and the prices were about 2 cents less per gallon for each grade. I would say about $4.20 was the average of the several stations I passed along the ride route for the cheap stuff. I guess with prices that high, a few cents here or there doesn't really matter. We need to get used to just bending over and NO VASELINE Please! And to think, the oil companies don't make any money :lol:

Fred; From what I see around here, you might need to increase your ATM spending limit, increase your credit limit on credit cards, or carry a vault load of $$$$$$ in the back just to make it out of California! Went to Medford last week and the price in Southern Oregon was about 20 cents cheaper per gallon. Ever thought of loading your unit on a rail car and having it shipped...that might be alot cheaper than buying fuel :D
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Fred Morgan

Hi people so what is average for 87 on I-5  for CA, OR, and WA reply thank's Fred.   :) ???
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XCorePintoLover

It's 3.92 in Florida where I live. I remember just last year I could put a 20 in my tank and not have to worry!
Until recently, I drove a '79 Bahama Blue 2.3 Automatic Hatch.


Is the proud mommy of a baby girl, Haylee. :D

bob55

Just paid $ 4.05 a gallon in Washington......can't even fill my truck with a $100 bill....this bites!
In a quandry......

71HANTO


Got back from Maui Hawaii tuesday of this week. Gas is running 15 to 30+ cents a gallon higher than California for each grade. 91 grade was $4.89. :nocool:
"Life is a series of close ones...'til the last one"...cfpjr

Cookieboystoys

just paid $3.75 gallon here in Minnesota
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

earthquake

Reg was $4.05 a gal last night.next city over it is $4.25 for reg.
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ADaughen

Quote from: gordie on May 22, 2008, 10:43:00 PM
Wow!  You are 20 cents a gallon higher than in Los Angeles and probably about the highest anywhere in the US. 


Not the highest...

We jumped from 3.95 to 4.25 and dipped back down to 3.99 yesterday.  I paid 4.09 for mid-grade here in Ohio.  Across town it was higher than that.  :(
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CHEAPRACER

I posted on here a few months back about not driving my Pinto as a daily driver and enjoying the comforts of my F150. WELL THATS CHANGED! I drive it every day 45 miles round trip averaging 24-25mpg. I removed 5 degrees of timing and 5 lbs of boost so I can run the 3.89 a gallon regular and not ping it to death and ,If long time members can remember the post about my divorce and keeping the Pinto (the ex hated it) the new fiancee is just the opposite and loves to make great birthday and Christmas gifts by buying me new carpet, stereo, dash cover and more so It's starting to look like a new car inside.
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Fred Morgan

Apintonut you hit that 1 just right. Hey is there anyone out there that can keep me informed were not to buy fuel for the next 3 week's after June 2, going I-5 to Canada. Motor home ph#'s are 928-916-1268 or 928-916-1468. I know were to buy in Sandy Eggo but that's it. Thank's Fred.    ???    :)
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apintonut

its sad i cant even aford to drive a PINTO !!! let alone my f150.  but if every one got rid of there gas gusling v8 for daily driving the demand would go down and so would the price's
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popbumper

You're a funny guy, Gordie. You sit around and b%^&$ about people putting advertising at the bottom of their profiles, and yet you think it's OK to post your Bush-hating drivel in this forum. If you had your facts straight, you wouldn't be so narrow minded.  :wow:

Now, THIS is the kind of stuff that doesn't belong here - political propaganda. Moderators, are you paying attention to this GORDIE character? Personally, I've grown tired of him already. Obviously someone who likes to stir a pot. Gas prices are NOT ONE MAN'S FAULT.

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

gordie

Wow!  You are 20 cents a gallon higher than in Los Angeles and probably about the highest anywhere in the US.  We will be restoring and riding motor scooters in a few years!  Gas was $1.43 a gallon when Bush started this war!

Lost Coz

  I can't believe it, had to fill the 73 up today and for the first time, It cost over $40.00. $4.18 per gallon in Redding. I guess they need to get the price up to around $4.25 for the cheap stuff, so they might be able to make a profit this Memorial Day weekend. I wonder why they are just jumping 10-20 cents per day, why don't they just make it $5.50 a gallon and get it over with? I know...I know...no one is making any money off of gas :lol:.

I hope everyone has a great weekend! Take a minute and remember all of those that have sacrificed their lives for this great land and don't forget the fine folks in the Military for putting it on the line for us. Peace!
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