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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Pertronix insanity... Need help!

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crossy

Is the Pertronix the same as the HOT SPARK unit I bought off of ebay. I assumed it was and that pertronix patent finally ran out.Good info to have for when i finally do this conversion. thanx , crossy
ehh ehhh ehhh FIRE! FIRE!

TIGGER

79 4cyl Wagon
73 Turbo HB
78 Cruising Wagon (sold 8/6/11)

Pintony


69GT

OK early on I had the feeling it was going to be a stupid simple thing that was causing my problem. So after a few days I approach the problem again with a fresh un-frustrated cause it's Friday and I am off work attitude and look really careful at the Pertronix. Ok. the reluctor managed to sit all the way down but maybe I was still missing something. So I took it all apart and noticed there is a spacer shim-plate in between the upper plate that the sensor eye is mounted on and the lower base plate that screws into the distributor that mounts the two posts that everything else mounts to. The middle plate just had the necessary holes but seemed to serve no other purpose so I removed it thus causing the eye to be more level with the reluctor  and re-assembled it, and viola no more misfire!!!! Still no explanation why three would work and one  (always the same one) would'nt but who cares. The Pinto got its first trip to the car wash in weeks and now drives like it never had a problem.  Thanks everyone for the help. 


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Pintony

Hello 69GT,
Have you checked the tiny brass baided wire between the 2 advance plates are connected?
Maybe when you installed it you knocked it off??
From Pintony

P.S. if it is off? you will need a new plate assy. or some solder

TIGGER

Is the shaft worn and does it have excessive play?  Is the braided ground wire from the housing to the breaker plate present and connected?  I have ran a Pertronix module in my 67 Mustang since 93.  6 years ago I rebuilt the engine.  While the engine was out, I took the distributor apart to clean the varnish off the shaft.  I forgot to re-connect the ground wire and let me tell you it caused some wacky crap.  The car ran awful after it warmed up and had different symtoms every day.  It took me a while to figure out what I did.  I too pulled my hair out.  I ended up replacing the module because it overheated so badly without the ground being attached.  I just did not trust it anymore.  That is the only problem I have ever had with their modules and it was caused by my dumbass.  All I can say is go back to the basics.  Good luck to you!
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73 Turbo HB
78 Cruising Wagon (sold 8/6/11)

69GT

Well today I tried both reluctors and adjusted the reluctor gap from .010 to .016 to .018 and .020. No difference. Rotate the reluctor change the plug that gets no spark. I e-mailed Pertronix and they say they will respond within 48 hours.

  The Pertronix unit I have on my 72 V-8 Maverick has worked flawlessly for the ten years it's been on the car. Maybe the whole batch of reluctors is defective. I tested the magnets and all 4 are accounted for. Though I cant tell if they are in the exact right position but pretty close.

Bipper: I checked. It's got the black rotor.

I am going out of my mind! I want my go-cart back! My friend thinks the only thing left is the distributor but I just don't see how based on what it does.

earthquake

Yep points,I got tired of the module going out and leaving me on the side of the road.No more module no more problems.I was looking at the pertonix unit because changing points in this thing is a real hassle.I have to remove the upper radiator hose,alternator,and float bowel just to get to the screws to remove the cap.
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Fred Morgan

Brian that's right but in my case with my 79 rachero the module cost to much so I changed my dist. to point back in 84. When I get time I am going to pull that fuel pig eng. out and instal 94 2.3 rocker roller D port head + auto 4 spd. with point dist. and 6200 2v on a Morgan designed intake that took me 7 day's to make using chevy 350 header pipes and other metal's welded together. voom-voom.  :lol:
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Cookieboystoys

Quote from: earthquake on April 28, 2008, 09:12:19 AM
I was just getting ready to replace the points in my 80 wagon with one of those.I don't know about that now.I tried this once before but when it arrived I found it fit everything but my pinto so I had to return it,shortly after they came out with the pinto goodies for the kit.I would still like to go the pertronix route (changing points in my car is a major pain)so keep us posted on how it goes please.


  ??? 1980 with Points  ??? 

didn't points stop at 1974 and switch to electronic ignition  ???
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

earthquake

I was just getting ready to replace the points in my 80 wagon with one of those.I don't know about that now.I tried this once before but when it arrived I found it fit everything but my pinto so I had to return it,shortly after they came out with the pinto goodies for the kit.I would still like to go the pertronix route (changing points in my car is a major pain)so keep us posted on how it goes please.
73 sedan parts car,80 crusin wagon conversion,76 F 250 460 SCJ,74 Ranchero 4x4,88 mustang lx convertable,and the readheaded step child 86 uhhh Chevy 4x4(Sorry guys it was cheap)

Wittsend

Have you checked the gap at all four positions? Perhaps the reluctors from Pertronix are eccentic (the complete lot) .  There are a bunch of guys on my Sunbeam Tiger side of life that use them. A few have has problems.  That said they (Pertronix) always seem to go out of their way to help them. I hope you get it sorted out.
Tom

Pintony

Quote from: 69GT on April 27, 2008, 08:37:26 PM
       OK. I bought a Pertronix unit for my 2.0 72 Pinto. My friend (mechanic) installed it while doing some other unrelated work on the car. It shortly there after developed a misfire on the #4 cylinder. It was not getting any spark at all. So I did all the usual things new cap, rotor, wires, plugs, no difference! So then I check the gap between the reluctor and the Pertronix pick up. It's just right. Next I take the reluctor off rotate it and put it back on. Low and behold now number 4 is firing and number 2 is getting no spark! OK bad reluctor I say and order another one from Pertronix which they send free (Very nice). I run downstairs put it on with a big smile on my face fire it up and..... Friggin exact same problem! Misfires according to reluctor position. ANY I repeat ANY ideas on whats going on here?

Thanks
-Aaron

Gee I really LOVE my points!!!!
I adjusted them in California after 2100 miles and again today. Took all of 1.5 minuets each time...
From Pintony

Bipper

I really don't know for sure if this would be a factor but you can't use the Bosh rotor when you do the Petronix conversion. It just doesn't fit in there right. If you are using the Bosh rotor, switch to the cheapo black rotor. If you are already using the black rotor, I don't have a clue as to what would be causing your problem. At least it's not expensive to try.

Bob 
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69GT

       OK. I bought a Pertronix unit for my 2.0 72 Pinto. My friend (mechanic) installed it while doing some other unrelated work on the car. It shortly there after developed a misfire on the #4 cylinder. It was not getting any spark at all. So I did all the usual things new cap, rotor, wires, plugs, no difference! So then I check the gap between the reluctor and the Pertronix pick up. It's just right. Next I take the reluctor off rotate it and put it back on. Low and behold now number 4 is firing and number 2 is getting no spark! OK bad reluctor I say and order another one from Pertronix which they send free (Very nice). I run downstairs put it on with a big smile on my face fire it up and..... Friggin exact same problem! Misfires according to reluctor position. ANY I repeat ANY ideas on whats going on here?

Thanks
-Aaron