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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

my bobcat won't start!

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phils toys

congrats on getting the window fixed, some how i missed this sooner. I just acquired some glass yesterday out of a wagon about to be crushed. both doors and the tail gate and a few interior parts. i don't know what was holding the seat in as there was no floor, but the best part all for FREE :lol:
2006, 07,08 ,10 Carlisle 3rd stock pinto 4 years same place
2007 PCCA East Regional Best Wagon
2008 CAHS Prom Coolest Ride
2011,2014 pinto stampede

dirt track demon

That's cool you got it fixed. And at a reasonable price.  :fastcar:
Favorite place to race:on the xbox

Fomoco's biggest achievement:
The PINTO!!

Fomoco's biggest mistake:
Not offering a V-8 Pinto!!!!!!!

krazi

I finally fixed the window. a local used parts dealer had one for $40. I took it to the auto glass center and they installed it for me for $50. I appreciate everyone's help, and I would like to buy all the spare glass I can get.

krazi
yeah, I'm Krazi!

dirt track demon

Ok, well sorry I cant help with the window then.  Thanx for the info Phil.
Favorite place to race:on the xbox

Fomoco's biggest achievement:
The PINTO!!

Fomoco's biggest mistake:
Not offering a V-8 Pinto!!!!!!!

phils toys

dirttrack
according to the parts sheet i have the   windows have different part number , and the wagon was priced more .
hope this  helps  some
phils toys
2006, 07,08 ,10 Carlisle 3rd stock pinto 4 years same place
2007 PCCA East Regional Best Wagon
2008 CAHS Prom Coolest Ride
2011,2014 pinto stampede

dirt track demon

Have you found out whether or not a sedan door window will fit a wagon?  Let me know so I can save the window for you if you want it.  I think I might clean house soon, and the parts car will probably be going to the crusher.  I'm getting tired of looking at the ones that dont move under their own power.  NO FUN IF THEY DONT RUN! :lol:
Favorite place to race:on the xbox

Fomoco's biggest achievement:
The PINTO!!

Fomoco's biggest mistake:
Not offering a V-8 Pinto!!!!!!!

krazi

now now, it's not nights to mak fun of one wit a speets...er tiping impediment.

Quote from: dirt track demon on March 26, 2006, 05:40:17 PM
Now dat funy rite dere.

sorry for the bad grammar but i wanted him to be able to understand. ;)
yeah, I'm Krazi!

krazi

aluminum cam  gear. put it in myself. distributor turns. rotor put back in place on shaft. newer spark module and coil. tank of fresh gas. and I moved out of the snow under it's own power. I think I'll build a 4 poppper for it. stroker crank, stovebolt sicks (6) rods, keith black pistons, twin side draft carbs, big shiney header, maybe with a switch between a glaspac goin out the back and a weed burner out the side.

krazi

Quote from: ford guy on March 26, 2006, 10:11:36 AM
is the dist turning.
if im not mistaken they might have fiber cam gears

its been a long time since i seen  a german motor tore down
forgot
now its time for a 351w

wayne
yeah, I'm Krazi!

dirt track demon

Now dat funy rite dere.

sorry for the bad grammar but i wanted him to be able to understand. ;)
Favorite place to race:on the xbox

Fomoco's biggest achievement:
The PINTO!!

Fomoco's biggest mistake:
Not offering a V-8 Pinto!!!!!!!

Pintony

Quote from: ford guy on March 26, 2006, 10:11:36 AM
is the dist turning.
if im not mistaken they might have fiber cam gears

its been a long time since i seen  a german motor tore down
forgot
now its time for a 351w

wayne

Hello Wayne,
Is a 351 a BIG block?
From Pintony

turbopinto72

Quote from: ford guy on March 26, 2006, 10:11:36 AM
is the dist turning.
if im not mistaken they might have fiber cam gears

its been a long time since i seen  a german motor tore down
forgot
now its time for a 351w

wayne

I thought it was time for a 460...........
Brad F
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1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

ford guy

is the dist turning.
if im not mistaken they might have fiber cam gears

its been a long time since i seen  a german motor tore down
forgot
now its time for a 351w

wayne

krazi

would a new air fresh'ner count?

Quote from: Pintony on March 09, 2006, 11:33:09 PM

Glad to hear to gave her a good bath and not just a sprinkle of colone.
From Pintony
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dirt track demon

Hey krazi, you're from nebraska, correct?  I get out that way once in awhile,  if the drivers door window is the same in a wagon as a car, I'll hook you up with one for next to nothin' as you put it.  Congrats on getting your car to run.  the car the window is in is a 77 or 78.  I cant help with the other windows though.
Favorite place to race:on the xbox

Fomoco's biggest achievement:
The PINTO!!

Fomoco's biggest mistake:
Not offering a V-8 Pinto!!!!!!!

Pintony

Hello Krazi,
That sucks that the vandals got to your pin-- ah.. er.. Bobcat.
Glad to hear to gave her a good bath and not just a sprinkle of colone.
I have glass sorry I'm so far away.
Are you going to KNOTTS show?
From Pintony

krazi

 :what: not even an ooh, aah, good job or even an I told you so? I'd like to offer everyone a one up for your support and suggestions, but I don't know how to do it.
  I took the ol' 'cat out for a drive today. it purrs just like always, and my friend really liked it. I took it to the car wash and gave it a good scrubbing. (not an automatic carwash) hopefully someone local has some glass I can buy for next to nothing. and by early july, I hope to have it painted.
:fastcar:
krazi
yeah, I'm Krazi!

krazi

thump-thump-thump-thump! that's the sound I got the bobcat to make! I pulled the dist. cap, and found the rotor loose. I pushed it back where it belongs, put the cap back on, and it started thumping when I turned it over. then I moved the distrubutor a little, tried to start it, and it fired right up! I pulled it in the driveway (for the first time in months!) and cleaned up all the broken glass. (vandalism zoops!) and after that, I put back in it's parking place out in the street. I gotta drive it to my friend's tonight and take him for a ride. I'm really happy I finally got it to run! thanks to everyone for your continued help!
:fastcar:
krazi
yeah, I'm Krazi!

sspncr

I had a 1975 Mustang II  a few years back, 2.8, 4 spd . It did the same thing. By the time i found out that it was the pin that sheared in the dist. shaft, I'd spent quite a bit of additional cash, on changing parts. Brain box, wires, plugs ,etc....   I got a dist. from a freind of mine from his Capri, stuck it in & didn't have any more problems.      Sound's like ya might want to check that dist. really close, if it's not the ign.control box ( brain box ).   
                                                                  sspncr

krazi

I got my truck running, found out it was the fuel pump. if it gets warmer here today, I'll go outside and do some more work on my car.if it is the stator, I'll just pull the distributor out of my '79 and try it in the bobcat. I hope it'll work.

krazi
yeah, I'm Krazi!

pintoguy76

Might also be the stator in the distributor. I had to replace mine once and the new one worked for a few days and then left me sitting at a stop light. When i got the car home (on a tow truck) i took the distributor and stuff back out, retimed everything. it started and ran, revved good. cleaned the carb put the breather back on and everything else. Jumped in it for a test drive, got right out of my driveway and it stalled again and wouldnt restart. It did alot of the things you are describing. I had everything tested. Replaced the plugs, replaced the wires, cap and rotor weres new (as were plugs and wires, but i replaced them anyways, because i wasnt happy with what i got the first time) and it wouldnt run. Took the distributor back (was almost cheaper to buy a whole new distributor than just the stator in the distributor) and replaced it and now my car runs good again. I'm not mentally satisfied with the 2nd new distributor but it does run well and like it is supposed to. Might be something to check if all else fails. What i dont understand is how it still sparked but didnt run. Guess ill never know, but that was the problem for me.
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dirt track demon

that minute that it ran, was it running smoothly?  If it was running smoothly then started acting up, it is pointing more and more to the dspark box.   Any way I hope your truck didn't have diarrhea went it did that to you.   ;)
Favorite place to race:on the xbox

Fomoco's biggest achievement:
The PINTO!!

Fomoco's biggest mistake:
Not offering a V-8 Pinto!!!!!!!

krazi

here's what happened today. I finally got around to checking the spark module, and I believe that was it. it started and ran for about a minute, then died. I kept trying and it started popping out the exhaust. I'll get my timing light and try again. hopefully I can get it going today, because my truck just took a crap on me. I'm sure it was the fuel pump.

krazi
yeah, I'm Krazi!

fast34

If you have no spark then it is DEFINITELY an ignition problem.  By the way you have described your problem, I agree with the Demon, Spark control module#1 if thats not it, shear pin in  dist.  Just pull cap and crank over and see if it spins.  EVEN if it spins it could be bad.  I have had my v6 start running bad, pull cap, see it spin and think it O K, but it was not.  I grabbed rotor by hand and gave it a twist, just to have it finally break on me.  I'm still betting on module.  You do not have to mount it to fenderwell to check it either, just plug it in. GOOD LUCK!!!

Pintony

Great Info there DTD!
Keep the knowledge flowing~~~~~~~~~
From Pintony

dirt track demon

have you pulled every plug and looked at it?  While you have the plugs pulled turn the motor over and see if there is still a tight spot. if the tight spot goes away with the plugs out. put one back in and see if it has a tight spot, keep putting them in until you identify the bad cyl.    has it tried to start at all or does it just turn over and hit a tight spot and that's it?    If it still hits that tight spot with all the plugs out, you have a crankshaft problem (spun bearing).
  if the tight spot goes away with the plugs out.  pull your valve covers.  check the rocker movement and make sure all valves are getting the same travel.  The cam lobes might have wiped out.

I hate to sound grim, but if everything is in time and it still wouldn't start while spraying something down the carb, then something is wrong internally.  unless the duraspark module is messing up.   There are 2 power wires to the duraspark, one supplies power from the igntion switch, and one comes from the starter solenoid circuit and tells the module that the car is trying to be started and changes the timing for starting purposes.   if you have access to another module try plugging it in and seeinf if it starts,  as far as I know there were only 2 different durasparks for the 70's one with a blue plug where the wires go into the module (standard module), and one with a white plug( california emissions module).   Good luck. 
Favorite place to race:on the xbox

Fomoco's biggest achievement:
The PINTO!!

Fomoco's biggest mistake:
Not offering a V-8 Pinto!!!!!!!

krazi

still won't start, still don't know what's wrong. distributor rotor is in the right place, and it still won't run. still upset that I can't get it to run.
yeah, I'm Krazi!

lostandfound

my pinto was doing the same thing execpt mine has been sitting for about 5 years how i fixed it is i pulled the valve cover off and made shure it was tdc and then took the distrubiter cap off it turned out that i when it was tdc it was pointing to the number 2 two tower now it fires and trys to run but i have to replace the fuel pump  hope this helps some
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phils toys

i would have to agree with early diagnoses it has jumped time, weather it be a belt or a gear
by the Wait thanks for the complement on my bobcat. :laugh:
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2007 PCCA East Regional Best Wagon
2008 CAHS Prom Coolest Ride
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krazi

oh fudge!! and you know what I mean by that. the rotor rotates, the fuel pump pumps, and I'm not sure if the compression rings compress. I have yet to pull the distributor, but when I was cranking it, it'd do this. > > > > < > > > > <. it'd crank like normal, then it'd stop at a hard spot, and then keep going. it also would spit a puff out of the carb every now and then. it's starting to get cold here in nebraska, so I might have to put the car into hibernation. :'(

krazi
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Bipper

Even if the rotor looks fine, while you have the cap off crank the engine over and make sure the rotor is spinning. If it isn't spinning the distributor gear roll pin has sheared. It's rare but I've seen it happen. Even if it is spinning check that the engine is in time. #1 piston @ TDC compression stroke, pointer on 0 degrees, rotor pointing to number plug tower. If it isn't pointing to #1 tower find out why.

Bob
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