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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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Reeves1

Last started my B2 engine car last fall (Oct).

Finally got time to start it this year. Last time all settings were set.
ie: floats & fuel press. etc.
Started it up & was running "funny"......both float bowls were low & fuel press. was at 3 lbs. Was set at 6.5 lbs.
Set everything again & runs better......except the MSD dizzy.
I went up (down) to the smallest stop (red) and I'm still not getting enough advance. Stops ( no matter which stop I have in) at (about 30 degrees. Need it to go to 36-38.
Instructions are not helping. So going to ask MSD how to get this done.
This is the first car I've ever had an MSD (6AL).

I also will need some new gas. Mine is 2 years old. Hate to think of the price now. Last was $4.00 LT !

1972 Wagon

Since I have zero mechanical ability, I can't contribute in that area, but I enjoy reading about what others are doing with their cars. I also depend upon the archives. My mechanic keeps my Pinto running but I sometimes have to search the archives for repair information. My last major Pinto project was in the late fall as the very old A/C compressor had finally died. Except for the evaporator, my mechanic replaced all the parts. I just wish the 134 cooled as well as the old R-12!
*The Original Family Car: A 1972 Pinto Wagon*
Ordered by my folks from Bunnell Motor Company, Inc., Bunnell, Florida
Delivered: June 20, 1972
Entrusted to my care: August 1976

Dtmix

I concur! One word is better than none...we are social animals and thrive in sharing an interest. This Pinto website is a form of social media...but the difference is that we are supporting one another rather than putting down one another. My short experience with Facebook was met with vile put- downs and animosity...life is too short to put up with such nastiness.

We may not share the same beliefs, political leanings, or life experiences, but we support and understand one thing we all have in common...our Ponies! Ford Pintos!

Happy Motoring!
Dan
Happy Motoring!
Dan

dga57

Matt, I don't know if there's a right or wrong answer to that, but it makes sense in my mind as well!  Thanks for contributing!

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

r4pinto

I'm trying to frequent the site more and while I get views are important, so is participation. The way I see it people should participate in some shape or form. Even if it's a simple quick response.

I don't know if my logic is accurate but if people don't participate the site goes quiet and can die. Views are good, but so are comments and new posts. Again, I don't know if my logic is accurate but it at least makes sense in my mind.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

dga57

Quote from: 1972 Wagon on July 02, 2022, 01:47:28 PM
I also never had any social media accounts. I do not want to be "friended" or "followed" by people I have never met and never will. I want to visit with my friends in person. Nothing can replace time spent in the company of good friends.

I certainly can't argue with that!  My online activities are limited to this site, the Jaguar Enthusiast Forum, Classic Lincolns site, and a Britcom Forum.  I have met and gotten to know a number of people from this site over the years, as well as a few friends I've made through Classic Lincolns and the Britcom Forum.  I joined the Jaguar Enthusiast Forums a number of years ago when I had a 2011 XJL Supercharged which was a true "lemon".  It had serious problems from day one, and no matter how many times it went back to the dealership, it was never truly fixed.  When it blew a head gasket for the second time while it was still under factory warranty, I decided to get rid of it once and for all.  It was a beautiful car, but I have no regrets whatsoever about that decision!  There are a number of people on that site that I enjoy but have never met face-to-face, but they encouraged me to stick around even after I sold my Jaguar, so I did.  For about five years prior to that, I was a member of the Rolls-Royce Owners Club of America and the snobbish, unfriendly attitude of that bunch is the main reason I decided to trade my Silver Spur in on the aforementioned Jaguar.  I have wished many, many times that I'd just quit the club and kept the car... it drove like a dream and never gave me any trouble at all.  Nevertheless, I felt it was probably not a good idea to keep such a complicated and uncommon automobile without the support of a forum of more experienced owners.  I never actually met any of those people either, and I had no desire to.  I've looked at Facebook and I'm not impressed.  Have never bothered with Twitter or all the other sites... it just doesn't interest me. 

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

1972 Wagon

I also never had any social media accounts. I do not want to be "friended" or "followed" by people I have never met and never will. I want to visit with my friends in person. Nothing can replace time spent in the company of good friends.
*The Original Family Car: A 1972 Pinto Wagon*
Ordered by my folks from Bunnell Motor Company, Inc., Bunnell, Florida
Delivered: June 20, 1972
Entrusted to my care: August 1976

Wittsend

Me too. Never has any of them. I will admit to having created a Twitter account. That was because my first initial (T) and my last name (Witt) were only lacking the 'er" to complete the site name. As it was they would only give me Teewitter. I have NEVER used the account, only created it. That was YEARS ago and I'm assuming being inactive was likely deleted. I'm one of those people who could live on a deserted island for 90 days and one of two things is likely to happen. Either I'd say M-A-Y-B-E 90 days is enough time and it might be nice to interact with someone..., or I'd say I went 90 days..., I could go the rest of my life alone and it wouldn't be an issue. What I wouldn't do is get upset in less than 24 hours because I haven't had a social media interaction.

One of the saddest things I ever saw was at the college I work for. The new library had just opened and there were 200 newly installed computer stations on the lower floor. 90% of the people seemed to be on My Space. So much for a "learning tool." There was one young woman who scurried to a station and had this look on her face that what she was going to see on My Space as she logged in was the bane of her total existence. It seemed such a passing thing to base ones happiness on what others had to say about her in such an indirect way.

dga57

Quote from: Dtmix on July 01, 2022, 06:28:59 AM
I am probably the only person in the world that does not have a Facebook page


No, you're not alone... I do not have a Facebook page either.  I do have Facebook access through a family member's account, but there is nothing there in my name.  About a year ago, lousy management resulted in me boycotting what had been my regular breakfast restaurant for over a decade.  I didn't make a big production out of it, I just decided to take my business elsewhere.  After learning from another "regular" that the manager had been replaced and the waitresses that had quit had returned to work, I decided to go back after being away for about six months.  One waitress in particular told me that she had searched and searched online, trying to find me... she was concerned I might be sick or even dead.  She told me she had always been a good "cyber detective" and that I was the only person she had ever sought for whom she could find absolutely no trace.  Of course, that was unintentional and quickly remedied with an exchange of cell phone numbers, but it does show that a few of us still manage to fly under the radar!

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

Dtmix

I am probably the only person in the world that does not have a Facebook page, due to my profession as a therapist. I tried it for several weeks several years ago, and even with the privacy settings, my clients were able to find me or my family members. (Not to mention the vitriol and politics that seems to have taken over the social media sites...sigh.

I apologize for not making any recent contributions as like ,others, I have been lazy or lacked something of substance to post...my bad!

Happy Motoring!
Dan

Happy Motoring!
Dan

dga57

Matt, you've hit the nail on the head!  I realize the Facebook version provides a convenience we can't, but I personally think our archives offer information that you'll never unearth on Facebook.  It may take awhile to find the information you're seeking, but if it involves a Pinto, it will be here somewhere!  Much of it is derived from early members who have passed on, but left their legacy of Pinto knowledge in our care.  I'd love to promise this site will be around forever, but as we who are dedicated to keeping it going are aging the same as everyone else, I don't know whether others will pick up the banner and carry it into the future, or let it fall.  I am personally committed to working with the site for as long as I'm able, but not a single one of us is going to live forever. 

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

r4pinto

The Pinto world hasn't stopped, it seems to have just migrated. Social media has taken over where dedicated sites once ran strong. There are those who won't or don't like the social media pages but comes down to ease of use. Facebook for example. If you're there for one thing it's easier to be there for others.
A house divided cannot continue to stand and for whatever reason why (don't care why) the house is divided. There is a facebook page which people frequent more than here because it's there where they are.
I'm as guilty as others and see those frequent the page that were on here. I try to be on here but it's easy to get caught up without moving to other pages. It's the age of social media in that form, as opposed to this form. Can it recover? Sadly I doubt it. Will it be around in some form? I'd say the only way it won't is if the site owner stops maintaining and operating the site, which hopefully won't happen.
Just one man's opinion.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

65ShelbyClone

I feel complicit in the lack of activity, but my attention has always cycled through my many interests and I find the cycles rotate more slowly as I get older. Over the last year I got more heavily into bicycling, then laid-up twice on medicals where I really couldn't do or work on anything in good conscience. (Not life-threatening or seriously debilitating or anything like that.) Now I'm getting my fitness back, but also distracted with building a super 8 film scanner for a friend. And working on the Pinto. And the Mustang. Rewiring the Pinto's EFI properly is high on the list.
'72 Runabout - 2.3T, T5, MegaSquirt-II, 8", 5-lugs, big brakes.
'68 Mustang - Built roller 302, Toploader, 9", etc.

warhead2

No problem thank you for keeping this forum running. Its a wealth of information

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dga57

Thanks for checking in!  It's nice to know people are still visiting the site, whether they post or not!


Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

warhead2

Im also still around. Need to get back in the grove and post more on my project. But i also search for info on here alot

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dga57

It's good to hear from you!  Sorry to hear you've been down with Covid but happy that you're recovering now.  You have been missed.


Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

Pintosopher

Quote from: Wittsend on January 27, 2022, 01:18:14 PM
I know we have discussed it before... but what is happening to our Pinto site? I just went and looked. There have been only 22 posts on 7 different threads in the past 31 days. And I use 31 days because on this very site if a thread hasn't been active for 31 days there is a red lettered notification that you are posting to an old thread.


More so, years ago there was a LOT of discussion about repairing our Pintos.  It was technical discussion. It was "Car Guys" talk. While still Pinto related a fair amount of the discussion seems to be about secondary matters and not to the repair and modification of our Pintos. These 7 threads are:


Rotors (a reasonable but expensive) modification most likely don't have the money for
Coffee Mugs
An apology from a member who was replying to a post I made 3-1/2 years ago (that says something about activity right there) that they had never thanked me for the information I provided (no offense and no apology need)
A Pinto that was sold (did we lose another one?)
My posting about Part 2 of a Pinto video
Engine mounts for a V-8 swap that sadly seemed to indicate the the Mustang II part are hard to come by
A Pinto that was still for sale (are we losing another one?)


The two threads that were technical were about modifications (not regular Pinto repairs). Two were about cars sold (or not) and the rest were secondary matters. The PCCA is the only specific Pinto site I am aware of. There seems to be no competition. Two sites that I frequent for other cars I own (Corvair and Studebaker) have similar total build number to the Pinto (2-3 million). These sites compete with at least one major and other minor sites. They also have competition with Facebook etc. (a sited reason for decline here). Yet these sites get more activity between 8am and noon on any given day than we are getting here in 31 days! Why???


So, I guess my questions are is Pinto ownership such a waning interest and it shows in the participation? Are Pinto owners apathetic to make the effort to post? Effort was made to create and maintain this site. The work Dwayne does behind the scenes has been monumental. But, if we Pinto owners don't make use of what has been provided then we are letting a treasure languish. My apology if I seem to be coming down hard. I just remember how active this site was back in 2007 when I first joined.
Well my apologies for being absent, It's quite possible that my literary threads just burned out.. So much for fictional sci fi content. I went back into the working world in auto parts after being on sabbatical for many years. Just recently recovering from Covid-19 and still dull as a butter knife. Being over 65 has forced me to reevaluate my financial priorities, and having 2 disabled vehicles kept the Pinto from returning to life as a Hillclimb car. ( been since 1992 that it actually ran an event Where does the time and money go?)
My California cost of living and Min wage job w/ SSI barely keeps a roof over our heads.
As the Covid Fog clears, I may actually have a few moments to catch up with all who miss my banter...
Car Trek still lives in the back of my mind, and a few turns of the Screw may actually create a new chapter.. Given current electoral politics
My best to all you riders of the Horse of many names..
Pintosopher
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

Check my Pinto Poems out...

HOSS429

the 351 powered one i had did a nice burnout as well .. 

PintoTim2

I'd like to see a thread where we can pick Hoss429's brain - if he's willing of course.   What rear axle does he run? locker? (that's quite a burnout).  what radiator fits in a early car??  After building 12 cars he's forgotten more than I may ever learn!

Wittsend

It is good to hear that people are coming to the site. Thank you for the encouragement.

oldandcrotchety

  I too have noticed how quite this forum has become.  I check in here daily but have to admit that I am also part of the problem since I have gotten pretty lazy about posting and have become pretty much just a lurker.  I need to take some photos of how my wagon has been slowly progressing over the years since I first acquired it.  Back then I posted some that showed the truly sad state it was in.  I have only worked on it a little at a time as money allowed.  I will try to get off my butt and post a few photos if the weather will give me a chance.

HOSS429

i am ashamed to admit that my V6 is a 4.3  chevy engine .. i wanted a 3.8 ford but it was just not feasible  to make fit even though i have built a dozen V8 cars ,, i looked back thru thousands of posts but could not find a picture of the engine ..this 4.3 though has been the best engine i have ever owned   .. it`s been in the car for 22 years  now and never a moments problem and will do some impressive burnouts .. 

PintoTim2

Hoss429:   I'd be interested in the details of your V6 early Pinto.   My '72 has a Cologne V6 (2.8i) in it.  The previous owner (a friend of mine) pulled a 2.0 Turbo motor out because he liked the mechanically injected 2.8i in a buddy's Capri.  The front crossmember of my car is from a Mustang II with the v6 motor mounts and a chain as a roll restrictor.  The 2.8is are pretty rare in the US, so it's unique that way.  There's a T5 (NWC) attached with an adapter for the "short" input shaft to hold the pilot bearing.   The bellhousing I think is from a Mustang II, but I'm not positive.

Reeves1

I'm still here & check the site every couple days.

Not working as much the last couple years, so lack cash for the cars.....

HOSS429

i have built a dozen or so pintos with various drivetrains over the last 40 years and i dont remember how many i have posted on here as i dont have pictures of the first  5 or six but i will look back at what i can find of the most  recent ones and see what i can post about them ,, i still have the V6 pinto on the left but not the 351 version on the right .. i can dig up reasonable facsimiles of my old stuff and post them i due time ..  BOB Glidden had a big influence of my pinto building in the late 70`s and early 80`s ..   

1972 Wagon

Although I don't post much, I also check the site everyday. Even though I have very limited mechanical ability, I enjoy reading about other people's Pinto projects and upgrades. My mechanic only agrees to work on my Pinto if I hunt for the parts and get repair suggestions so I frequently search the archives for needed information. I am also on a horse carriage driving site. Over twenty years ago when I started driving my horse, the site was heavily used. Once Facebook came along, many people switched over to the FaceBook site and the original site has pretty much ground to a halt. I prefer the non-FaceBook site. Hopefully there are others like me who don't often contribute but are faithful readers. Without this site, my Pinto would still be sitting in my garage not running.
*The Original Family Car: A 1972 Pinto Wagon*
Ordered by my folks from Bunnell Motor Company, Inc., Bunnell, Florida
Delivered: June 20, 1972
Entrusted to my care: August 1976

PintoTim2

I check the site most days too.   My first Pinto project stalled at the painting stage (been that way for more years than I want to admit to).   Need to get the '72 painted one way or another....  So basically, I'm good at collecting parts, just not good at finishing anything!   The swap meets I go to have been dwindling in size from sellers and buyers - The All Ford Columbus Swap in Ohio is really shrinking.  People there say it's the internet - but parts on Ebay seem to be less and less too....   I've found LOTS of great info on this site, hope it stays active.

One of the Mustang II sites disappeared a few years ago and all the forum info was lost.

dga57

It saddens me when, nearly every day, I log on and find no one has posted since my last time.  I suspect a bit of that could be due to projects garaged and on hold throughout the Winter months, but that certainly can't account completely for the inactivity.  I personally do not go on the Facebook Pinto site(s) but I know some of our folks have defected to that medium instead of being here.  Another factor is that some of our most prolific posters of the past have since passed away.  I still firmly believe that we have a wealth of archived technical Pinto information that no other site can replicate.  That said however, we can't force people to participate.  It's hard to say how long we can hang on with these circumstances but I'm in it for the long haul... so as long as Scott and the rest of the board are committed to keeping it going, I plan to remain as active and engaged as I can. 

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

davidpinto

well,i'm still here.i check the site every day when i get home.haven't had a lot to say since i haven't had to work on mine in a while .she's ' right and tight ' to quote COUNTS KUSTOMS. i haven't drove it in a while since the weathers been not so good,can't stand to get her dirty.every day some body asks... where's your pinto ? just waiting on spring ,won't be long.
D BARHAM