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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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dick1172762

Try pulling one of the plug wires off while it running. Look at the color of the spark. It should be a very nice blue color. If the color is white, you do have something wrong in your electric system. Most likely the coil.
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

r4pinto

One suggestion I have. Get a spark tester from the auto parts store. They hook in line of the spark plug wire. Start the car and observe the spark if you're able to get it started. You can then see what it looks like color wise to give an idea of what is going on. It will also tell you if the wires are even firing. Have someone crank the car or use a remote starter at the solenoid. Just make sure it's in neutral if manual. That'll give you an idea of the kind of spark and if a cylinder isn't firing.

Also go ahead and take the module to the auto parts store and have them test it. Just because it's a new part doesn't mean it's not bad. Check the coil resistance as well. I don't recall the specs but go from terminal to terminal on the coil, then terminal to the tower the wire plugs in to. It's possible the coil or module have gone bad.

Of course double check your cam timing. If it's off, even one tooth it can give issues.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

TIGGER

Maybe try and run power from the pos battery terminal to the positive side of the coil and see if it fires.  That would tell you if you had an electrical problem VS a mechanical one.
79 4cyl Wagon
73 Turbo HB
78 Cruising Wagon (sold 8/6/11)

Jef_Leppard

Yeah I actually have had what you're talking about happen before.

With this, there is no spark happening at the coil. It's a new coil and I replaced the control module with it.  It seems like there is no electric reaching the coil....

Pintosopher

My Two cents..
Have you considered the Intermediate shaft that drives the Distributor. If the Shaft has cracked and sheared then the rotor would not rotate consistently. Likewise the gear on the bottom of the Distributor that meshes with the Intermediate shaft may have worked loose or stripped the teeth, and again , lost consistent ignition timing. This would also affect the oil pump drive too, and that is critical ,even if it did run enough to show some oil pressure. Worth crossing off the checklist before launching into electrical diagnosis.

Pintosopher... Pennies of concern where Dollars fear to tread
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

Check my Pinto Poems out...

Jef_Leppard

So I thought this was case closed but NOPE!

After replacing the distributor cap and rotor, it ran normal for two days, including an 80 mile drive. Then I noticed it seemed to be starting harder, taking longer cranking to get it to fire up and then once started, it would just barely idle.  Got stranded in a parking lot again. I was able to advance the timing enough to limp it slowly home but again, if I tried to speed up it would stumble and almost stall out.

Now I'm wondering if maybe replacing the cap and rotor really didn't do anything but rather it was some intermittent electrical problem that randomly went away at the time?

I didn't have much in the way of testing equipment but I thought to run a timing light gun connected to each of the cables. I found that all of them had very intermittent spark.

I replaced the coil and also the ignition control module but then it seemed like it was actually getting worse. I tried replacing the connectors on the coil harness and still no improvement.

I tried disconnecting the tachometer connector inside the dash because it had long been acting weird with a bouncing needle... wondered if maybe that wiring could be messing with it somehow. No luck.

From there, I don't know where to go next. I don't understand the electrical system enough to not feel like I might just create new problems if I start digging around. Actually, I'm worried now that I already may have, messing with the coil connectors and tach.  It currently has no spark at all.  It's been at a garage for a couple days and they haven't been able to figure it out either. 

Help??

one2.34me


Thanks for the compliments, this is basically what I've done to the suspension,

Tires -BFG Sportcomp2's  195/55-15
Wheels- Mustang 10 hole, 4x4.25", 15x7" (getting these was a big mistake, it took 5/16th spacers and a lot of trimming to clear the wheels from the upper A frames, which are now rubbing again. Looking at 4x4.25", 15x7", 3" back space Aero wheels)

Rear,
Rock Auto-YBKG5514 Gas-A-Just shocks
1" lowering block
Addco  #345 Rear sway bar kit

Front,
Rock Auto-YBKG4511 Gas-A-Just shocks
Spring shop cut coils approximately 2", Still didn't look low enough, so I cut another half coil.
Addco  #184 Front sway bar kit
5/16" wheel spacers.


I'm not sure what the issue was, but both sway bar kits required a lot of cutting and fabricating to get the sway bars to mount to the front and rear chassis and A frames.

dick1172762

Jack has built a very nice Pinto street racer while watching were the $$$$ should be spent. GREAT car.
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

65ShelbyClone

Is there anywhere to find more info or photos on your car? I like the stance and am shopping for Aero or Bassett wheels now, just need to figure out what is going to fit.
'72 Runabout - 2.3T, T5, MegaSquirt-II, 8", 5-lugs, big brakes.
'68 Mustang - Built roller 302, Toploader, 9", etc.

one2.34me

Quote from: dick1172762 on July 28, 2017, 02:47:12 PM
Jack! New picture of your Pinto looks GREAT! Nice and low like a Pinto should be. Keep up the good work.

Thanks Dick, I appreciate it! A photographer was taking pics as cars were idling by to get into this years Fabulous Fords Forever in Buena Park. Needs some Aero wheels with less offset and to get the air dam closer to the pavement.

Billnparts

Swap out the ignition box.


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dick1172762

Jack! New picture of your Pinto looks GREAT! Nice and low like a Pinto should be. Keep up the good work.
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

one2.34me


Glad it was a simple inexpensive fix.

dick1172762

Help on a Pinto problem is what we're here for among other Pinto things.
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

Jef_Leppard

Thanks for the help. Being able to go to a place like this and brainstorm is really valuable for keeping this old car running, especially with my somewhat limited mechanical experience.

Actually Tigger's suggestion to look at the ignition gave me the idea to recheck the distributor and it was looking like maybe the cap was more beat than I thought when I first checked.

Surprisingly my local O'Reilley's had one dusty distributor cap left on a shelf and even a rotor to go with it.  So $14.00 later, vroom!  Back on the road.

Anyway, feel dumb for overlooking something like that but glad that's all there was to deal with. Thanks again!

dick1172762

Had that too but with a battery. My driveway was down hill so the parked cars were at an angle. Every day I had to jump the battery on my car, but when I would get off work it would start right up. The problem? Low acid in the battery causing no connection on a hill. Toped off the battery and all was ok.
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

one2.34me


This'll sound ridiculous, but it happened to me. Way back when,  I was driving my 2.3, 1979 Pinto home from work, when I hit a hill the engine would shut down and barely crawl. Down the hill it ran fine. It turns out that when the tank got to a quarter full and I went up an incline something was floating in the tank that would block the fuel line. From that point on, I didn't let the fuel get to a quarter of a tank. I never had another problem with it.


No laughing, it really happened.

dick1172762

Timing belt may have slipped a tooth or two.
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

TIGGER

Maybe check your ignition because in my experience tail pipe backfires are usually due to ignition.  Years ago, I had an ignition module go bad and the car would hesitate, buck, and backfire when driving but would idle fine.  I chased my tail for a couple weeks and finally figured it out when I had a dwell meter connected.  I bumped the throttle and dwell was all over the place when the car would come down to idle and then it would stabilize again.  I replaced the module and things were good.  Hopefully you figure it out.
79 4cyl Wagon
73 Turbo HB
78 Cruising Wagon (sold 8/6/11)

r4pinto

How is your fuel output? May want to do a volume test to see if it's getting enough fuel.

Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

Jef_Leppard

Hoping I can get some help with a little problem!

My 77 wagon has a pretty basic 2300 motor with a Holly 500cfm carb.

The other day it suddenly started sounding different and I found that when I tried to accelerate, it would hesitate and backfire from the tailpipe.
I could barely limp it along and found that it couldn't get up enough power to go up an incline. Had to leave it and come back with a towtruck.
Anyway, I've been trying to solve this problem with no luck.

So far I have replaced the plugs and wires. Checked the cap and rotor... they seem okay.
I took off the carb and did a bit of disassembly and cleaning. Not thorough but it actually seemed quite clean inside. I can see that fuel is squirting inside.
Checked the timing belt. It didn't jump.
Disconnected the fuel lines and blew through them with an air compressor.

I'm not sure what to try next.  Any help would be appreciated!