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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

1977 Pinto- project in the works

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r4pinto

At least those of us that seem the car and followed this post know how bad it was underneath and all over. My 80 has some rust underneath but repairable and in much better overall shape.


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1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

dga57

Quote from: r4pinto on December 12, 2016, 02:55:10 PM
It is actually going towards the debt the 80 and the Impala racked up lol


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Same thing! ;D
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r4pinto

It is actually going towards the debt the 80 and the Impala racked up lol


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1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

dga57

I hope you got enough out of it to help fund some of the remaining items on the '80.  I know it's hard letting go, but sometimes it's the only logical thing to do.


Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

74 PintoWagon

Well, too bad you had to sell it, but good luck on the 80..
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

r4pinto


The car was picked up this morning by the new owners. Glad to have it gone to someone who will be able to either use the parts from it, or possibly fix it. Bitter sweet but beyond time.


I did manage to save the brake caliper and rotor from the right front, front brake hoses, exhaust, stereo, wiper delay I previously installed, driver door seal, and engine. Those parts will be installed in the 80 if they haven't been already.


It was beyond time to get rid of the car. I couldn't save it, and it was just taking up valuable real estate in my garage/driveway.


RIP Harold II
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Well crap I put this on the wrong car post


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1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

dga57

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r4pinto

This is  with the carb from the 77


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1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

74 PintoWagon

Sorry to hear about the death of the 77 but it does happen, time to move on best of luck with the 80.
Art
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r4pinto

Yeah she didn't die without a fight although her heart doesn't wanna live thanks to the 1980 curse I did forget to mention the rusted out radiator core support corners and rusted out trunk corners. I dunno why but I never was a fan of the hatchback. Even when I bought the 1978. Oh well she will live on in the 1980. Her side marker bulbs already got installed in the 1980 since those didn't work and turn signal flasher installed in place of the dead one


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1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

dga57

Matt,


I know it's hard to let go, but sometimes there just isn't any other logical choice.  Harold II did not die without a good fight!  I find it interesting that you prefer the sedan.  I've owned all three body styles and the Runabout is, by far, my favorite.  Oh well... different strokes for different folks!


Dwayne :)
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r4pinto


This is it... The OFFICIAL ending to the 77. I just now had to take off the RF rotor, caliper, and brake hose to use on the 1980 Runabout. The list of parts to scalp to put on the 77 is getting much to big. In addition I was under the car and found the inner structure of the RF was much worse than I thought. There is a major hole under the battery tray, seam that goes from the wheel well to the body is gone, and fire wall seam rusted beyond repair. In order to save this car I would have to pull everything including the dash board just to get access to the rust damage. It's not worth the time and more importantly the money that would be needed to save this car. I will be pulling the transmission which will be rebuilt and saved as a spare just in case the 1980s C4 fails, RF brake assembly already yanked with the 1980s bad rotor installed. I will pull the seats and clean them. Eventually I might dye them and put them in the 80 since the fabric on the 80 seats are a little worn in places.  The radio will be kept for a future Pinto of the era. 8 track unit. I haven't decided but I might transplant the nose from the 77 to the 80 since I like that look better.


Parts needed to save the 77:


Front brakes, extensive sheet metal repair to all 4 wheel wells, patch panels to the rear quarters, possible rust repair to windshield pillar due to possible hole, firewall rust cut out & welded, exhaust repair including manifold, instrument cluster (sold the original a couple years back), new shifter assembly to replace the one being scalped for the 80, battery tray, battery hold down, LF fender, RF door, interior door panels, carpet, speakers, rear axle.


Yes, I have put a lot of money in this car and will NEVER recoup it but to throw away good after bad would be a waste of money, and plain dumb. My 80 is far from perfect, but in much better shape.


I am officially at peace with the decision. I love the sedan. It's my favorite behind the wagon, with the Runabout last and least favorite, but comes a time you say enough is enough. I've hit that moment.


With that said, Her final certificate of death.... 5/1977- 10/13/ 2016. Date of ownership: 4/28/05-current. First found the car September 2004 before I bought my first which was a 1978 Runabout with bad engine and rot issues.


RIP Harold II
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Thanks. I figure Once the 80 is back on the road I will pull the interior & see what it looks like. Since there is no engine I will know more of what is too far gone. If I can save it then I will collect parts to fix the car since some of the parts are going to fix the 80.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

dga57

Well, you really have very little to lose by trying and much to gain.  Here's wishing you the best of luck!


Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

r4pinto

One thing is for sure.... Between Ohio winters & time in Georgia she lived a rough life. Figure I don't know what I can do until I try. Might just surprise myself & get it safe. Then play musical engines lol
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

russosborne

OK, you're crazy. :P
Well, you said to.  ;D

Seriously, that is a good plan. At worst, you will have learned how to weld on a rusty car. At best, you save a car. If needed, you can always get rid of it later on.

Me, I am stupid. I have to replace the floors on my Ranchero, and I won't be practicing first. That's the reason I am a lousy bass player. I hate practicing. I figure by the time I get done I should have a clue.

Speaking of clues, I took a 3 hour evening welding course last year. Mig. I have a flux core, sigh. But what I learned was to not try to run a bead at this point. Just do "spot" welds, rotating around the patch. That way there is almost no chance for warping the metal. So quick spot weld on one side, move to the next side, continue. Eventually they will form a solid weld. Once they get fairly close (like an inch or so apart) you can run a bead between them, starting in the first and ending in the second weld.

Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

r4pinto

Call me crazy but once I get the 80 back on the road I will remove everything from the interior & take pics of the car. I want to see just how rusty this car is. Who knows, maybe I can use it for welding practice before I weld on my nicer 1980. I just can't bring myself to let her go. I'm so torn but if I can experiment with welding & it be solid then we'll see. I know I should let her die completely but who knows
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

RIP Harold II... 1977- 8/20/16.

I pulled the engine 8/21/16 but started taking parts off 8/20/16. The car will live on in the un-named 1980. It still saddens me to see how the car is currently in my garage. Today I will drain the gas from the tank so I can take the fuel sending unit and use it on the 1980, as well as fuel lines. Next will be pulling the brakes, including the line going to the back of the car. I replaced the wheel cylinder and line going over the axle in 2012 so I will take those parts, as well as all the springs which were replaced when I bought the car in 2006.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Yup that's the plan. Wiring, nuts, bolts... Anything I can save and store will be saved.


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1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

russosborne

Understood.
Like I said, probably not worth it unless that specific car means something to you, like if it was your mom's car.

Before you have it hauled away, I would take as much as possible off of it. Every nut, bolt, bracket, etc. Anything not rusted away. Assuming you have the storage that is. Glass too. Dash, panels, etc.
Really, everything possible. You never know when you might need something.

Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

r4pinto

Quote from: russosborne on August 21, 2016, 04:37:34 PM
Matt.
The car IS fixable to be safe to drive for years to come. Many Mustangs (mainly from the 60's) have been brought back from worse.
However, at the point this one is at it generally isn't worth the work and the cost. Odds are a Pinto will never be worth Mustang money.
If this WAS your mom's car, then I would say keep it and fix it a little at a time. But since it isn't go ahead and let it go. Which it sounds like you already are doing.
Russ

Yup, I got the engine yanked from the car today. I know what you're saying and yes it would be fixable but when it comes to the point where there is more rot than anything you have to ask is it worth throwing away any more money? I don't know how to weld, and the car needs more than I can give. The 1980 I have is far from perfect but more is good on it than bad. I'm going to be pulling the brakes off it since the ones on the 80 are gone and will go from there as to what can be used before getting that thing hauled to the scrapper
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

russosborne

Matt.
The car IS fixable to be safe to drive for years to come. Many Mustangs (mainly from the 60's) have been brought back from worse.
However, at the point this one is at it generally isn't worth the work and the cost. Odds are a Pinto will never be worth Mustang money.
If this WAS your mom's car, then I would say keep it and fix it a little at a time. But since it isn't go ahead and let it go. Which it sounds like you already are doing.
Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

r4pinto

Quote from: Reeves1 on August 21, 2016, 01:42:42 PM
Get a mortgage & buy my white car  ;D

Much cheaper than Shelby's 001 car that just went for 13.8m !
Quote from: Reeves1 on August 21, 2016, 01:42:42 PM
Get a mortgage & buy my white car  ;D

Much cheaper than Shelby's 001 car that just went for 13.8m !

Quote from: Reeves1 on August 21, 2016, 01:42:42 PM
Get a mortgage & buy my white car  ;D

Much cheaper than Shelby's 001 car that just went for 13.8m !
Quote from: Reeves1 on August 21, 2016, 01:42:42 PM
Get a mortgage & buy my white car  ;D
Quote from: Reeves1 on August 21, 2016, 01:42:42 PM
Get a mortgage & buy my white car  ;D

Much cheaper than Shelby's 001 car that just went for 13.8m !

LOL already got a mortgage and with an 80 Pinto, 04 Impala, and 85 Omni Turbo I got too many cars as it is.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

Reeves1

Get a mortgage & buy my white car  ;D

Much cheaper than Shelby's 001 car that just went for 13.8m !

r4pinto

The end of the project has come. The car has been pulled in the garage, hood removed, grille removed, and started to remove engine parts. It's a sad moment for me but needs to happen. I don't have the time or money to save this car. Rust at the firewall, entire floor gone except for the transmission tunnel, rust possibly around the windshield, rusted out corners of the core support, around the trunk panel, wheel wells, area around leaf spring perch, passenger door, front fender, and possibly rocker panel. It's just not financially advisable, and not safe.

Yesterday I took the car for one last drive, although only around the block. The car fired right up with the push of a button, and other than a misfire at idle due to a vacuum leak the car ran well. I put Skynyrd in the 8 track player and parked in the garage. Towards the end of Freebird it quit working. Put Kenny Rodgers in and it worked a moment but that was it. The horn also quit working. It's as if the car knew her time had come. Sad moment that I will admit brought a tear to my eye. I've had so much time and money invested in this car that I bought 5/7/05. It has been transformed from an ugly brown turd of a car with worn out tan interior to a beautiful shade of blue but not knowing how bad the structure was turned out to be my biggest issue. Realistically I should have looked more underneath the car before I considered it. Had I done that & seen the galvanized aluminum and pop rivets  on the driver side I would have passed on it.

This has been a very hard decision to make but I know it's the right one, for a car with no structure is not a safe car.

I will be gutting the car, and what doesn't get used on the 80 or put in my parts collection will be sold off.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

So my plan is to go ahead and still pull the engine and transmission from the 77, and put them in the 80. That car is in much better shape and needs an engine to run. I will be rebuilding the transmission from the 77 more than likely, as it has no 3rd gear, and occasionally no second. Unless I can replace it cheaper. I will cross that bridge when I get there. I will pull the wiring from the engine compartment, and take a closer look at the rust in it. I will also proceed to pull the windshield, and interior. Now, before I do all of this I will need to get my shed fixed, so I can lock up the body parts. The seats will stay in the garage or possibly go inside the storage in my house. Once I gut the interior I will have a better idea of what needs to be done to save this car. If anything I can practice my welding skills on her.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Quote from: dga57 on September 21, 2015, 10:28:19 AM
Well, we all have our reasons.  My most basic affinity for Pintos dates back to 1974 when, at sixteen, I bought a brand new Runabout.  It was my first car and is a huge part of my history.  The Pinto I have right now is a '72 Squire wagon, much like the '72 Squire my mom drove back and forth to work back in the day.  Her Squire was later replaced by a '77 Bobcat Villager which proved itself to be something of a lemon (gasp!) and that was soon traded back in on a '79 Bobcat Runabout.  So I have family ties as well as personal.  Follow your heart.


Dwayne :)
Which is the big problem I have. My head says cut it up & get rid of it. My heart says one last ditch effort to see exactly how bad the cancer is.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

dga57

Well, we all have our reasons.  My most basic affinity for Pintos dates back to 1974 when, at sixteen, I bought a brand new Runabout.  It was my first car and is a huge part of my history.  The Pinto I have right now is a '72 Squire wagon, much like the '72 Squire my mom drove back and forth to work back in the day.  Her Squire was later replaced by a '77 Bobcat Villager which proved itself to be something of a lemon (gasp!) and that was soon traded back in on a '79 Bobcat Runabout.  So I have family ties as well as personal.  Follow your heart.


Dwayne :)
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