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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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dianne

Quote from: Reeves1 on May 10, 2014, 07:37:12 AM
Quit messing around with half the cylinders you require  ;D

http://www.fordracingparts.com/parts/part_details.asp?PartKeyField=12378

NOW THAT WAS BETTER THAN SEX REEVES!!! WOW, that's so hot!
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

Reeves1


dianne

Quote from: D.R.Ball on May 09, 2014, 05:06:36 PM
Because in Canada you can import engine's and cars from the U.K. that can not be imported into the U.S.  If, of course you are a Canadian. While the Merkur XR4ti was sold in the U.S. the twin cam 2. 0EFI Turbo  engine was not. The reason of course is still the EPA etc.

How hard are these to get here? Parts and all that also...
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

D.R.Ball

Because in Canada you can import engine's and cars from the U.K. that can not be imported into the U.S.  If, of course you are a Canadian. While the Merkur XR4ti was sold in the U.S. the twin cam 2. 0EFI Turbo  engine was not. The reason of course is still the EPA etc.

dianne

Quote from: D.R.Ball on March 25, 2014, 08:36:01 PM
Sweet talk a Canadian into shipping a 2.0  Ford EAO twin cam turbo  from any thing with Ford and Cosworth name plates and have at it, or any fast I-4 or I-6 from some Japanese car.....Like a RB26 DETT  just to piss everyone off...After all not every one can be a Turbo Joe...and use a 2.3.

What is that? Sorry, I just saw this when I was on Google looking at engines LOL

They have these engines in Canada? Why don't we have them here? How about parts for them for rebuilds?
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

D.R.Ball

Sweet talk a Canadian into shipping a 2.0  Ford EAO twin cam turbo  from any thing with Ford and Cosworth name plates and have at it, or any fast I-4 or I-6 from some Japanese car.....Like a RB26 DETT  just to piss everyone off...After all not every one can be a Turbo Joe...and use a 2.3.

dianne

If it wasn't for the liberals that halted the American expansion, from the north to south poles would have been America :D  That was political... Although Canada did kick our butts in Niagara back in the day...  Sheesh, didn't mean to get political either LOL
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

Wittsend

Ok, I get it.  It kind of had me thinking that you (Reeves 1) were referring to selling to the world at large (by excluding the "States"), and not Canada (more specifically).  But now I get it.

Dianne, yes I know you are in Idaho. Hopefully what I wrote above explains all.

Slightly kidding but..., isn't everything from the Arctic Circle to the Yucatan Peninsula  considered "North America" anymore?   LOL Just ask Pintosopher, he knows!! We have the healthcare from the upper border and a large population from the lower border.  Ok, enough said, I was trying to be observational, not political.

dianne

Wittsend, are you thinking I am out of the country? LOL Idaho is in the US :) Well, last time I looked anyway, we haven't broken away from the US yet! Hey Texas is the closest to doing it, but Idaho wouldn't be far I guess ;)
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

Reeves1

Wittsend - wages here in Alberta , due to the patch are high.
Common for people (like me) to make well over 100k a year.

While there are many more Pintos in the States that are in better condition , there are still lots up here. Seem to find other Pintos each year , in all Provinces.
Plus it's easy to bring them up from the south.

Also depends on where our (Canadian) dollar is at. Right now it's less (about .90c ) to your dollar ?
For a long time it was higher. When higher, I pound $ into my USD account, for future buys. Saved me over 1k on an engine one time.

Wittsend

"One day (not soon) I'm going to put together a V8 swap "kit". Complete from rad back, including headers trans & maybe a diff. Will not likely sell in the States though......wi ll not be cheap."


Wow, I didn't realize there was such a demand outside the USA to convert Pinto's to V-8 power.  And here I'd have thought the very limited numbers of Pinto's out of the country, the limited access to American V-8's, the higher fuel cost and a general lower wages in other countries would have precluded it.  But, hey, here's to tapping the markets that others have missed. Go for it!

This whole concept makes me wonder where and how many Pinto's were exported. I recall about a year ago there was some guy who had one in Australia. I find the subject very interesting.  Years ago a gentleman wrote "THE" book on Sunbeam Tigers.  It took 25 years after the cars were built that anyone States side was aware that 79 were sold to South Africa as "knock down kits" to avoid certain taxes.  Something new is always popping up out of something old.

dianne

I read the sub-division rules and it's about the oil drip on the Galaxie. I promised I would have the leaks fixed. The car needs a lower rebuild and am having that done and since they are pulling the motor I'm having all the leaks fixed. So cat litter on the oil and soon as the crank and bearing get here my mechanic will be rebuilding it. Honestly, I couldn't sell it even when offered 2,500.00 and a thousand rounds of 5.56. Just couldn't sell the Pinto to be honest. It's too cool of a car :-D

I'm having this one painted in April also (Pinto that is). I need to do some more work on the body and then off to someone to shoot for me. Little by little I'll get all the cars done, but I can drive 3 of 4 for now and the 4th in the next 2 or 3 weeks.

So the Pinto is staying LOL
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

pintoguy76

Dianne did you decide to keep the pinto? How are you managing to do that?
1974 Ford Pinto Wagon with 1991 Mustang DIS EFI 2.3 and stock Pinto 4 Speed

1996 Chevy C2500 Suburban with 6.5L Turbo Diesel/4L80E 4x2

1980 Volvo 265 with 1997 S-10 4.3 and a modified 700R4

2010 GMC Sierra SLE 1500 4x2 5.3 6L80E

74 PintoWagon

Quote from: Reeves1 on March 22, 2014, 07:31:48 AM
One day (not soon) I'm going to put together a V8 swap "kit".
Complete from rad back, including headers trans & maybe a diff.
Will not likely sell in the States though......will not be cheap.
That would be cool. 8)
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

74 PintoWagon

Quote from: tonij1960 on March 21, 2014, 08:32:11 PM
Every time I get one to sprout someone comes along and cuts it down :(
At least you get it to sprout,lol.. ;D ;D
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

Reeves1

One day (not soon) I'm going to put together a V8 swap "kit".
Complete from rad back, including headers trans & maybe a diff.
Will not likely sell in the States though......will not be cheap.

ToniJ1960

Quote from: pintosopher on March 21, 2014, 03:53:24 PM
I went to the nursery to buy a Seedling for a Money Tree, they said the state of California won't allow it , seems they would rather tax all of our existing money and besides, we don't have the water to grow it! ???

Pintosopher, One flush away from real drought management!

Every time I get one to sprout someone comes along and cuts it down :(

Pintosopher

Quote from: 74 PintoWagon on March 21, 2014, 12:06:22 PM
I try to grow a money tree but for some reason it just won't grow no mater what I do, lol..
I went to the nursery to buy a Seedling for a Money Tree, they said the state of California won't allow it , seems they would rather tax all of our existing money and besides, we don't have the water to grow it! ???

Pintosopher, One flush away from real drought management!
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

Check my Pinto Poems out...

dianne

Quote from: 74 PintoWagon on March 21, 2014, 12:06:22 PM
I try to grow a money tree but for some reason it just won't grow no mater what I do, lol..

LMAO - doesn't work for me either LOL
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

74 PintoWagon

Quote from: dianne on March 21, 2014, 11:55:31 AM
And getting another Mustang II, that's where the 302 is going to go. I'll do the Pinto after I guess on the swap. That or the Galaxy will be the first to be painted I guess.

Problem is that I'm not made of money LOL
I try to grow a money tree but for some reason it just won't grow no mater what I do, lol..
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

dianne

Quote from: 74 PintoWagon on March 21, 2014, 07:59:44 AM
Sorry to hear about your problem, must be rough,lol.. ::) ;D ;D

And getting another Mustang II, that's where the 302 is going to go. I'll do the Pinto after I guess on the swap. That or the Galaxy will be the first to be painted I guess.

Problem is that I'm not made of money LOL
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

74 PintoWagon

Quote from: dianne on March 21, 2014, 07:28:07 AMI didn't even know I was made of money LOL
Sorry to hear about your problem, must be rough,lol.. ::) ;D ;D
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

dianne

Well, right now instead of painting the cars I'm getting them ready for the paint booth. I found someone to spray my cars for $400.00 and that guy is awesome. So getting 4 cars painted over the summer I guess :) That will hold off on the engine swap for now :) I also am having the bottom half of the Galaxie's 351 redone - bearing is bad. Mustang engine almost done, sheese and I didn't even know I was made of money LOL

So the engine swap will have to wait a tad for now.
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

Bigtimmay

Quote from: 71pintoracer on March 20, 2014, 07:08:05 PM
Whittsend are you saying the T-birds ran 16's or the Pinto's with turbo T-bird engines? I sure hope the Pinto's are running faster than that! My 2.0 ran low 13's with a 50 shot of nitrous and slicks!  Dianne, anything you swap into the '73 will require fabricated engine mounts and probably fabricated everything else. Ask me how I know lol! Completely different animal from the '74 & up. The V6 was not the greatest engine Ford ever produced, sorry to say. No power, lousy fuel mileage and constant oil leaks.

87-88 T-bird 100% stock ran 16's that's a heavy car and those times are factory stock tires done by car and driver in 87 when the car was car of the year. That's 100% stock that's not including turning the boost up on a stock motor and adding better intercooling ,larger exhaust, air filter, porting and ETC ETC  to increase HP on the cheap. with cheap hp mods and the weigh reduction of a pinto that's easy 13s if not 12s.
1978 Mercury Bobcat 2.3t swapped.Always needs more parts!

Pinto5.0

Finding good V6 heads is challenge number one. Both of mine were cracked on a 77K mile car. The 2.3 with a good tune & free flowing exhaust has comparable HP numbers to a V6, is a bit lighter, gets slightly better fuel mileage & is waaaaay easier to find parts for.

A good running V6 has a smoother idle & a little better pick up from a standing start. Pinto V6 was automatic only but I know people used MII V6  4-speeds to go stick. I'm sure some T5's made the swap too but I've never researched the swap.

A V8 gets 10 mpg, mine sure did, but with patience & a good combo of parts you could see 20 mpg out of it. EFI/T5 swap maybe 25 if you drive normally. Engine mounts are expensive, frame mounts either need welded or holes drilled. Oil pan & pickup are expensive as are MII manifolds & most headers. Most run hot if you don't spring for a good radiator. The rear axle needs swapped to an 8" at the very least. Auto trans kickdown is a bear to fit just like the dipstick tube so get Lokar parts to make it easy.

A 2.3T swap is as cheap as it gets if you find a complete parts car (Merkur, Turbo Coupe or SVO) that runs. Several Merkur's have been on craigs under $600 but you have to be ready to pounce on them. I've been rounding up turbo parts off craigs for over 2 years as cheap stuff pops up. A total cash outlay of roughly $2500 over that time has netted me 4 complete shortblocks, several good heads (hard to find crack free), VAM's, intakes, 2 IHI & 2 T3 turbos, several E6 manifolds, intercoolers, a Merkur engine harness, several T5 trannies, 2 D5, 2 D9 & 2 bellcrank bellhousings plus boxes of other parts. A good low mileage 302/C4 with all the parts needed to install it in a Pinto can cost 2/3 of that.

You will need a Pinto 2.3 oil pan & pickup & a high pressure external fuel pump but the rest can come right from the parts car with little other expense. If you go auto the C4 is your best bet but the bellhousing can get pricey. The T5 swap is easier & cheaper if you like stick.
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

71pintoracer

Whittsend are you saying the T-birds ran 16's or the Pinto's with turbo T-bird engines? I sure hope the Pinto's are running faster than that! My 2.0 ran low 13's with a 50 shot of nitrous and slicks!  Dianne, anything you swap into the '73 will require fabricated engine mounts and probably fabricated everything else. Ask me how I know lol! Completely different animal from the '74 & up. The V6 was not the greatest engine Ford ever produced, sorry to say. No power, lousy fuel mileage and constant oil leaks.
If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?

Wittsend

"I had Hooker headers, Offy manifold with a Holley 390, Mallory dual point distributor, Crane cam.  It ran a 15.5 at the strip with open headers and street tires.  It loved to rev but lacked low end umph."

Actually that ET is pretty good.  Us turbo guys generally pull our engines from Turbo Coupes. And, even the better ones ('87-'88) with about 30+ additional HP only ran 16.3 quarter miles.  I've seen that V-6 in a Sunbeam Alpine. It looked and sounded cool.  I have heard the same that they are low on torque, but rev well.

Glad you guys with V-6 backgrounds are able to provide Diane with more information.

amxtra

   I have 2 words for you
Turbo !

Yelby

If you go the V6 route grab the drive shaft too. :D

dianne

That's great to hear, that the V6 Mustang II engine may be a near perfect fit :)
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

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