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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

74 Squire Project! ( Bella )

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pintogirl

Well I guess DMV denied my request to use the original blue CA plates on my car. The sent me new plates and registration.

I am kind of ticked because they said that all they needed is an original registration paper showing that the car was registered to those plates before. I sent my original in, and now they send me new plates. I'm going to try to fight this one.

Now I need to try to figure out who to contact about this. I will go to the website and hopefully find an email. If not I will have make an apt. at there office and go from there.

Another option my hubby suggested was if they don't let me put the blue plates back on, then to ask for Historical plates. That way we can still have the blue plates, but have the others to be legal. I haven't researched historical plates yet, so I don't know what or if there are any restrictions or whatever to have them!

I'll let you all know what happens!
Kim
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I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

pintogirl

Quote from: Fred Morgan on April 16, 2010, 07:11:11 PM
Kim I titled only no reg.. So how is my wagon looking   :lol:  Fred

I know Fred. Just trying to explain in easy terms! LOL That and it didn't matter that you did title only, CA DMV still wouldn't just let me keep the plates because technically they should have been removed when it got titled in AZ. According to them that is! LOL

Your car is still not running! I am hoping Bob will get it going tonight. We swapped the carb from the blue car (Mad Max) which ran fine on her. Some reason it doesn't do fine on Bella. We did r&r the choke and hubby has been playing with it thinking it was put on in the wrong position. She will start and die. If you keep the gas on her she will run but as soon as you let off the gas, she dies.

I bought a NOS carb on ebay and it arrived yesterday. It is missing a simple smog related part (atleast that is what I think it is). So that will be easy to take off a different carb and maybe being never ran before, it will work?? I sure hope so at least! I want to drive her so bad!!!  ;D
Kim
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I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

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Fred Morgan

Kim I titled only no reg.. So how is my wagon looking   :lol:  Fred
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pintogirl

I finally have an update on Bella!!!! Well two kind of! LOL

First of all we are back at work on her. Trying different carbs! Hopefully I can get one to work! LOL

The really good news just came in the mail today!!!! I finally heard back from DMV on my request to keep the original CA plates. (remember Fred reged in AZ which made it to where I had to ask CA DMV if I could keep the CA plates).

The sent me a letter and a form to fill out. The letter said that I need to fill out the Application for Registration, and send it and an original of a registration paper that showed that the car was registered in CA.

Now the stupid part. I tried to get the lady at DMV to send the original Registration in when she sent all the other paperwork, but she handed it back to me. She also didn't have me fill out the App. for Reg. while I was there. This would have saved a lot of time if she would have known what she was doing!

The other stupid part is, don't they have records of this car being registered in CA?? I mean they pulled it up when I was there and even told me that the PO had it on a non op! What a waist of time to have to do this!

Anyway, I have the paperwork they requested in the envelope that they sent me ( no they didn't pay the postage back, I had to put a stamp on it ) and it will be going to our main post office first thing in the morning!!! So hopefully I will be getting current tags in a few more weeks!

My temporary reg expires around the 20th of this month so I am going to take a copy of the letter they sent me to DMV when we go to take care of some other DMV stuff on the 29th. I should be able to get another Temp to hold me over till they get the paperwork they requested!!!

So now I really want to get her running!!!! :D :D
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

dga57

Keep pluggin' away at her... sounds like you're almost there!

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

pintogirl

Quote from: blupinto on February 13, 2010, 11:07:17 PM
What octane gas are you putting in?

Well right now she has gas out of some car that cleared lien at the yard! LOL So I have no idea what octane that person used! LOL

I normally just put 89 in my other Pintos and they are fine. I really think this pinging is either something wrong with motor, or it just needs to be ran for a bit. Who knows how long the motor sat before being ran again!!!

We will find out more on Monday! I'm not letting hubby start on his truck till I can drive Bella, smoke free and a little less pingy!!! LOL
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

blupinto

What octane gas are you putting in?
One can never have too many Pintos!

pintogirl

Hubby played with timing last night and today I took her for another test drive! She still pings when excellerating and also still smokes like a big dog! :(  Hubby say's that he wants to hook a vacuum tool up to the tranny vacuum line to see if the part is leaking tranny fluid through and into the exhaust. If not, then he will pull the valve cover off the motor and have a look at everything under there! Oh, also wants me to go get some octane booster to see if that will help the pinging!

Monday night is when all of this will take place. So for now Bella is outside visiting the other Pintos! LOL I did drive her around the block again today, smoke and all! LOL She drives really great and sounds so good and quiet at an idle! Now if we can get her quieter while excelerating and less of a mosquito killer, we will be doing good!! LOL

Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

TIGGER

Sounds like your rotors could be warped.  You might want to have them turned.  Also if they are warped then possibly the floating pins of the calipers could be dirty and needing a light lube.   Sounds like you are close to getting all the kinks worked out.  Nice work!
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pintogirl

Well, took her out today! Good news is, tranny was just low on fluid. I added more and she shifts and moves perfectly!

Now for the bad news!  She smokes like a mad dog! Mosquito killer! LOL It is white smoke. She also pings pretty bad when you try to make her go at a decent rate of gas. I think the 2 may be linked! LOL Hubby timed her by ear and he now needs to do it right! LOL Also she is very scary when stopping! Her brakes pulsate. Steering kind jingles when braking. This could possibly be do the the rusty rotors. I will carefully drive her around the neighborhood for a while (once she is running better) to see if brakes will get better, if not, she will need to rotors and pads!!

She is now back in the garage waiting for hubby to get home and re time her. He also wants to check the thingy on the manifold that has something to do with tranny. He says if it is bad it could cause tranny fluid to leak into manifold and cause the smoke! ??

I do have to say she sound pretty good while idleing!! LOL

Now send ju ju that we can get her running in tip top shape!
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

blupinto

Kimmy, put her through all the gears. Then check the fluid. Also, check fluid when it's warm. Good JuJu headed north! ;D
One can never have too many Pintos!

dga57

Kim,

Good cross-country transmission ju-ju aimed right at'cha!

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

pintogirl

Well, Bella is officially off the lift! She hasn't seen the light yet though! We checked fluids and she is a quart low on oil. I need to go buy some tomorrow. Also she was low on Tranny fluid. Jack put some in till the stick read full, but when I went to test her movement later in the night, she doesn't want to take off right. She has to rev up a bit before she will move. Hubby said she could need some more fluid because of the torque converter being new, it may take a little to fill that up. I am hoping he is right. I sure hate to have to start all over again on the pulling of the motor and tranny again! I will find out tomorrow, when I let her warm up and drive her back and forth in the drive way! I will check fluids again!

Well, send good ju ju that the tranny is ok!!!!  ;D  Tomorrow may be her maiden voyage!!!! That is after we get back from picking up the 72 Pinto!!!  ;D ;D That's another story! LOL I will tell it tomorrow after I get home with the car, in a new thread that is!!  :tgif:
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

pintogirl

Quote from: dave1987 on February 06, 2010, 09:30:33 PM
Very nice! Glad to see she runs, and smooth too!

Can't wait until my wagon starts to look nice again like yours kim! It's getting there, just need to finish the rest of the motor and exhaust problems/fixing, and clean up the interior, but all in all, it's going to be a lot of work until I Get to where you are!

Actually I just lucked out! Fred found a really decent shape car and I was in the right place at the right time for her! She was in good shape from the get go! Just needed some Clorox Clean Up and Upholstery conditioner!! LOL
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

pintogirl

Quote from: cromcru on February 06, 2010, 09:26:58 PM
nice job. there.iam getting ready to convert mine from the water heated choke to purely electric choke.parts came off of a 79 wagon that came into our local pic and pull yard here. keep up the good work. harold

I would rather have the electric choke but Hubby is in charge of this process and doing the work, so I don't want to complain to much. Although I did a little! LOL I may not need a choke anyway! LOL She sat all night and pretty much most the the morning and hubby just reached in and turned the key and she fired and ran!! The Ghost I have to pump gas a few hundred times (ok, just a few times), then I have to keep giving her gas till she warms up a bit. She has the water type choke! I hate it! Course it may just be an adjustment issue on her, but we haven't looked into it yet! I just suffer through having to keep the gas on her for a bit! LOL
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

dave1987

Very nice! Glad to see she runs, and smooth too!

Can't wait until my wagon starts to look nice again like yours kim! It's getting there, just need to finish the rest of the motor and exhaust problems/fixing, and clean up the interior, but all in all, it's going to be a lot of work until I Get to where you are!
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Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

cromcru

nice job. there.iam getting ready to convert mine from the water heated choke to purely electric choke.parts came off of a 79 wagon that came into our local pic and pull yard here. keep up the good work. harold
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blupinto

I had to hit replay- I didn't realize she was running til the end of the first play. I was listening for the engine starting! lol.
One can never have too many Pintos!

pintogirl

IT"S ALIVE!!!!!!!!!!! She even started right up with just a turn of the key, and no choke is even hooked up to her!!! Ran smooth too for the short time she ran!!

It's alive!!!

The people you here are my husband and his kid! Hubby didn't want to leave it running long because there is no water in it yet!

Sad part is, they have to take some stuff back off, and put more stuff back on!  So I can't even take it for a test drive yet!  :( They need to fix a small exhaust leak at the head on manifold conection, also need to fix where the exhaust pipe hooks up. Then because we used the carb with the water type choke, we have to ad the hoses to that.

So it is looking more like the end of next week before she can go for a maiden voyage!!
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

75bobcatv6

grats kim, im glad you get to work on yours. i wish i could. i plan to next weekend as this one is full

pintogirl

Well, we are in the turning the engine over stage! LOL

Someone got ahead of herself ( don't know she could be, lol) and bought new plugs, wires, cap, and rotor for a 77 distributor, not knowing hubby was planning on putting the 74 distributor in. So when we first started to turn the motor over he had the tall cap for the 77 on the 74 distributor. Well that led to the car flooding because it wasn't getting spark.  Once we put the old cap and wires on the 74 distributor we got spark and it tried to fire but it was to late. Just to flooded!

I will buy new cap rotor and plugs for the 74 distributor on Wed. to try again Wed. night! Tomorrow is out because hubby's boss takes everyone out for dinner! Bummer! LOL

Getting closer!!!!
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

pintogirl

Here's her new shoes!! Just can't put them on till after tomorrow. Her new "insoles" (brakes)lol will be in by then!!!  ;D

Went with blue walls! LOL

Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

75bobcatv6

i want your tire company, i payed 280 js tfor the rear tires on my car. plues 240 for the fronts.

dga57

Quote from: pintogirl on January 31, 2010, 09:10:03 PM
Well, we didn't get to much done over the weekend. I was hoping for more, but really some of it wasn't hubby's fault! LOL

Hubby suprised me after going to breakfast. He took my to the tire shop and we got a quote on some white wall tires. Hubby said that would be ok although it is the most he has ever spent on tires in a long time!! LOL We payed 240 bucks installed and balanced. THey had to order them so we went home and pulled the wheels of the car and cleaned them and then painted them black. Once we got done with that we dropped them off at the shop. I called at about 3pm and they still weren't done. Then they finally called at 4.30 and said we could pick them up. Thing was, we were busy cleaning garage and they closed in an hour. We chose to leave them there till Monday!

Then today I pulled the drums off and we decided to get new shoes and wheel cylinders. I called 2 places and neither had all the parts in stock, would have to order them. So I now have to wait till Tuesday to finish that job. Now I will have wheels back on Monday but can't put them on till Tuesday! LOL

Than FINALLY, I started working on getting the motor all hooked up!!!!

Got to protect those fenders!!  ;D


The motor, fan, and radiator are all in and hooked up. Now it is down to just trying to figure out where some hoses and wires go!! Then finally the test of trying to start her. I'm hopeing that will be tomorrow, but it is hard to say! Hubby works at his own pace! LOL



Oh, and in the pic above, I have hoses going to places they don't go! LOL I was just hooking hoses anywhere! LOL We need to figure out what is smog related and plug that stuff off.  I'm going to go buy some plugs so things look neat!! I hate when you see hoses with screws screwed to them! LOL

Getting closer!!!!!  ;D

Kim,
Tell your husband he should consider himself fortunate.  The last time I dropped that amount of money in a tire store, it was for ONE tire...  an OEM replacement for the tire that blew out on my '07 Lincoln Mark LT 4x4 pickup.  OUCH!!!
Dwayne :smile:
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blupinto

Because the carburetor is closer to the rear of the engine (ok it's AT the rear! lol) to get a close-up it would've cut off the front of engine. There weren't all that many hoses on the '74. I got a close-up of the tee that goes over the valve cover near the sparkplug wires and hoped the carburetor lines were clear. Naturally there's fuel lines too... I just needed specific places. Oh well, there's tomorrow (after I get more batteries! lol.)
One can never have too many Pintos!

pintogirl

Quote from: blupinto on January 31, 2010, 11:01:07 PM
Sorry it didn't help. That's why I asked where you wanted me to specifically aim... maybe I could've gotten a helpful shot. Again, too bad I'm not closer and I could bring Wildfire to assist in hose and wire hook-ups... well some anyway. There may be stuff related to the catalytic converter on the '77. '74s didn't have cats.

Not your fault Becky!! It is hard to describe how to take the pics to you via typing! LOL

Basically I wanted you to move just a bit closer to the motor so your camera frame is showing, lets say in front of the carb to the front of the motor. It would show all the way from the top to the bottem of the motor (well kind of, lol) . Then the other pic would have been from the carb to the back of the motor, still showing the top and bottem. It wouldn't be so close that you could only see a few hoses, but close enough to where you could kind of define some of them!

Like I said, it is hard to describe! LOL I am confused just reading what I wrote above! LOL If I really need more pics, I will take some of how I want you to take it!! That way you have a better idea of what I want!!!

Thanks again!!! :D
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

blupinto

Sorry it didn't help. That's why I asked where you wanted me to specifically aim... maybe I could've gotten a helpful shot. Again, too bad I'm not closer and I could bring Wildfire to assist in hose and wire hook-ups... well some anyway. There may be stuff related to the catalytic converter on the '77. '74s didn't have cats.
One can never have too many Pintos!

pintogirl

Well, kind of! LOL It's hard to see stuff in pics anyway! I will try to basically go off of the CW's stuff. That and I think alot of the hoses are for smog purposes, so I will not be using most of them. I think my main worry will be vacuum for the tranny and the distrbutor!

Thanks for trying though!!!
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

blupinto

... and rear. My battery wouldn't let me take the third pic (the firewall). Sorry. I hope these will help.
One can never have too many Pintos!

blupinto

I'll try...

Front...
One can never have too many Pintos!