Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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Fred Morgan

I did Tom about a month ago. Kinda like NY.  Fred   :o
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Did anyone notice the date in the document that Fred posted regarding the crash?  It was:

9-11 - 1973

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Fred Morgan

FAA documents arrived. Mizar 210 ser. # P-001 was assigned to Oxnard airport departures to west only on runway 25, all flights over ocean. Craft reg. app.applied for 11-10-72. There were 5 Ns applied for and N68X was last on list.  Fred   :)
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Quote from: Fred Morgan on March 04, 2009, 07:40:33 PM
Wait a minute you cant land that it doesn't have the gear down. Then the little man in the grey box says PULL UP PULL UP PULL UP.  ;D  Fred

Don't worry Fred, I converted it into a flying saucer so it can hover  :lol:

Turns out, this whole time, everybody's been looking for the little green men when they should have been looking for little green Pintos!!! :amazed: RIGHT UNDER THEIR NOSES :hypno: While everyone was looking at tin foil in the desert near Roswell, New Mexico, (a clever decoy) they didn't notice a little green Pinto slowly putt, putting away from the scene!!! :fastcar:

The UFO mystry has been SOLVED!!!! :drunk:  It's very easy to park :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Wait a minute you cant land that it doesnt have the gear down. Then the little man in the grey box says PULL UP PULL UP PULL UP.  ;D  Fred
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"Life is a series of close ones...'til the last one"...cfpjr

Fred Morgan

Hey look another flying Pinto   ;D  Fred
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Los Angeles Times  May 9 1973   "if a Pinto passes flying low, you'll know idea works"   Fred   :)
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Always remember when the FAN QUITS the pilot gets hot. I know I have been there.  Fred   :)
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Fred, looking forward to getting this out on the site...

Let me know how I can help... You know where the address & phone number is as a Charter Member right?
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On NTSB report showed it still listing as a 210. Brian's probably right. But the report was not listed as that being cause of accident. The plot thickens. The FAA guy was looking at the airframe while I was talking to him, he described picture over phone. There is 3 items on the report that got me flamming.  Fred   :evil:         December 99 thanks to Mark didnt get last name
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Fred,
Having talked with some people   there was only  1  that flew  the reason the it crashed was they modified the engine to a larger one and were told it was not safe.  to much HP for the designe.But they tried it against the warrnings.
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Fred Morgan

Oh yea and he also talked about the 1 Tony bought.  Fred   :)          You know I was just reading what I put up a 540 on 1 does that mean there could be a third car ?  ??? ???  Wow cant wait for the FAA paper work !
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Fred Morgan

Finally thanks to my flight buddy on east coast  with the recommendation on who to call. at FAA MIDO = Manufacture inspection District Office. The aircraft originally had the Continental IO-360 stock 6 cyl. that was on the 337. This was certified experimental 6-14-73 serial #P001. Carl was looking at film and said production model had cowl off and there was an IO-540 Lycoming installed. The 540 at that time went up to 300HP  as compared to the cont. eng. with 210HP. He talked how Galipin Ford was involved and he had flight video. So he is mailling me the info. that with right address to Scott Hamilton I will mail to because he would know how to put up on here and Scott lets me sell so much junk on this site  ;D
  Fred   :)
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entropy

Quote from: Fred Morgan on February 26, 2009, 10:08:22 AM
While I am on aircraft stuff somebody needs to tell the news people that the flight recorders are bright orange not black. Also from what I hear so far N68X did not have T.C. = type certificate.  Fred   :)

Ah, but if they say Orange Box, people will assume they're talking about hacking phone systems.

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Doug if there was separation of any 337 parts from vehicle it is still considered a single accident. The right wing strut broke loose from forward wheel well attach fitting. I was in a hurry yesterday lot of broken cars over here. FSDO = Flight Standards District Office. FBO = Fixed Base Operator. J3 on floats = Piper aircraft J3 Cub. While I am on aircraft stuff somebody needs to tell the news people that the flight recorders are bright orange not black. Also from what I hear so far N68X did not have T.C. = type certificate.  Fred   :)
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dholvrsn

Wouldn't there be two accidents? First you would have the Pinto part falling out of the sky. Then wouldn't you have the Sky Master half flopping around uncontrolled and unstable before it augured in?
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Yea that is hard to read unless you can go full screen. Yes there was fire.  Fred 
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Fred Morgan

Talked to the maint. guys at the FSDO in Van Nuys, the 1 that deals with older aircraft actually called me, they must have run out of donuts. I use to go in that office often fighting with the maint. guys over military aircraft. I just contacted flight inst. that use to work for my aircraft maint. FBO he is on east coast he is good with FAA and computers. He also told me I could ski behind his boat I said sounds great, he has a J-3 on floats, cant wait.  Fred   :)
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Pintopower

Well, I talked to Pintony a few days ago. His plans are to leave the exterior alone and just clean up the interior. Right now, it is a piece of history. He is going to take many slow and small steps on this car. I just bought a battery for it last week and installed a battery tray in it. So at least now, it can start (with out the stolen battery from my Fiat) and will have a few of the parts that were missing.
I have many Pintos, I like them....
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#2. 1977 Wagon V6 Restored
#3. 1980 Sedan I4 Original
#4. 1974 Pangra Wagon I4 Turbo
#5. 1980 Wagon I4 Restored
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...Like i said, I like them.
...and I have 4 Fiats.

Norman Bagi

 :happy_bday:  Awesome, Pintony congratulations, you and Cookieboy found the holy grail of Pintos.  I do hope to see it one day and take a picture with it.  Do not put wings on it, in my opinion, I would restore it to the backup Pinto it was.  Maybe you could rebuild one of your other Ponies to resemble the flying one, that is of course if you were planning on the traveling road show.  But do not change the history of this the greatest of Pinto barn Finds.  I can only say I am extremely jealous.

discolives78

It would be cool to have a 'replica' of the Flying Pinto, even for display and 'novelty' use only, but it brings up the thought of the Edmund Fitzgerald, so a project of that undertaking should be persued with thoughts of the originators' families in mind. Respectful to all :)

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dholvrsn

How can you not love the Chitty Chitty Bang Bang of Pintos?  ;D :-* ;D

Maybe somebody could go down to the local Army Surplus and start picking up aviation gauges until they have enough to recreate that control panel.
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Pintosopher

Greetings all..
I too will watch for more input on this thread. I wonder, does anyone have the original design prints for AVE and the car that crashed? This would be of interest even if we couldn't get someone with deep pockets ( Hey Jay, wanta underwrite a one of a kind project? ;D) to recreate the wing sections and powerplant, with controls)
Given the amount of money people in Aviation spend on historical aircraft reconstruction, this one would be cheap. Even if it never flew  :rolleye:
Maybe Popular Mechanics/ Popular Science could get in the act, given the content of the last 60 years of publications and the fact we now have $100k Tesla roadsters.
Think outside the box, Pintony has a real piece of history, it should be a real coup to get this one completed!

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I think it's safe to say that this one will be preserved quiet nicely. Brian will not let Tony cut it up or destroy it  ;D   They want to take it on tour as soon as they both feel it's ready (running better, cleaned up, ect)
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75bobcatv6

I will be, ( like most of the forum) watching this thread closely. I want to know more and to see what pintony does with this magnificent car. =)

phils toys

here are cookieboys  replys
"Hey Phil, based on what we have been able to find out so far and according to what Bert Boeckmann owner of Galpin Motors has told me personally there was only the 1 Flying Pinto with wings. With the crash of the AVE Mizar Flying Pinto the project was halted. The one Pintony has was put together by Galpin Motors for the video because the wings didn't detach from the Flying Pinto and they needed one for the video to be used to show potential investors in the AVE Mizar project. The Flying Pinto 2 (as dubbed by Beau Boeckmann) never had flight instrumentation installed or wings attached.

I will try doing more research into the "others" that were mentioned on the Wikipedia page but unsure where to start at this point. I do have a direction to go there but am waiting for a reply on an email I sent requesting more information from someone who knows more of the story and people I could talk to.

As far as the "Flying Pinto 2" Pintony has... It is confirmend by the people at Galpin Motors we have talked to and shown "The Flying Pinto 2" to as the one used in the video. Tony plans at this time to leave it in as close to "as found condition" as possible but is on the hunt for an early Pinto with brown interior matching the Pinto he has. The seats, carpet, visors, dome light and other misc items inside are in rough condition and he would like to "transplant" a correct interior into the car that is in better condition than what is there. Doesn't need to be "perfect" but good useable condition would be helpful. Even parts and pieces might be considered if anyone has anything that could help.

and before you ask... it is confirmed by the video production manager that the interior on the "Flying Pinto 2" did have brown interior and was "doctored up" to appear white in the video. There is one scene in the video as the woman gets out of the "Flying Pinto 2" at the airport where the bottom of the door is brown and the top is white
Hehehe... the pinto with the wings was right behind as they backed up the non-flying pinto... trick video ;-)

if you watch close you will see it doesn't back up all the way :-)

this from the production manager."

Phil

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