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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

2007, 3rd National Pinto Meet

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78squirewagon

Quote from: k9kohl on September 12, 2006, 01:08:00 PM
In looking at all the posts South Dakota and Wi. are to far north and not in the middle of the country. In my opinion the best spots is either Nebraska or Kansas and I these are two states im not really fond of but it makes sense being mid country

That is fine with me. I was just offering up a place to do it with another show I am putting together. I figured while I am promoting one show, I may as well get the rest of the group involved. If the club as a whole chooses not to come here, then I would certainly like to invite everyone to Drive The Mile, May 6th of 2007.  I would still make the Pintos/Bobcats the star attraction and give them top billing. If I can get a few of the members there then the flyer would say something like "Featuring the Pinto Car Club of America" or "Featuring Ford Pintos". Whatever the club wants to do. I just need to know as soon as I can.

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k9kohl

In looking at all the posts South Dakota and Wi. are to far north and not in the middle of the country. In my opinion the best spots is either Nebraska or Kansas and I these are two states im not really fond of but it makes sense being mid country
K9

k9kohl

How many Pintos would you excpect to show up or how many has shown up in the past. My thinking is having a sanctioned event the same weekend as a National Ford Show that is being held in a state in the middle of the country so it could possibly have a big turnout. I would suggest having a National in the middle of the country every year and let each other areas have their own once a year with anyone who can attend do so. Theres I believe a lot of us with modified cars that use a lot of gas I for one only get 12 miles per gallon on the freeway.
K9

78squirewagon

Ok everyobody, we have seen the post about hosting a regional event. I am here to say that I have confirmed that if we want to host a show on May 6th of 2007, we can do so at the Milwaukee Mile Speedway. We would be part of an event called Drive The Mile. This is where they invite anything with wheels to come out and drive a few laps around the track. This might turn into a two day event  (May 5th and 6th) but I would love for the group to at least consider hosting a sacitioned event here. If is only on Sunday, i will find a place to have a Saturday show otherwise there is a ton of stuff to do in the area.
This year we had over 500 vehilces at this event and only one Pinto, mine. The PCCA would be featured and have special parking. I am also checking to see if i can get a special on room rates from a place that sponsors the track.
I just need to know for sure that this is something that everyone wants to do so that i can include it in the rest of the publicity (flyers, ads in magizines, ect) I plan on doing for the Drive The Mile.
Please let me know ASAP

Mark
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High_Horse

There are so many variables involved in something like this. The logistics are staggering. My heart goes out to scott and the charter members (which I will soon be one by the way). I realize that the decision has been made to split the country up into three regions and to rotate the national meet progressively through those regions at a meeting place choosen by that region while still using fordpinto.com as the soul nucleus of communication for this activity. Having said that in breif here is my 50 cents understanding that I will accept critisizm in good faith.
Primary Goal=Getting as many Pintos together as possible.
Secondary Goal=Making it as convenient and fair as possible to all 278. Using member map.
Trimary Goal=Attending an existant car show or having our own thing.
Poll #1=Do you feel you could attend a Pinto meet wherever it was held? Yes or no
Poll #2=If yes to #1 do you want an existing meet or our own meet.
Poll #3=If yes to #1 what would be the best month for you in 2007.

Mathmatically figure the geological center of all the poll #1 yes vote locations and average the numbers to milage (remote individual locations would drive a little farther).
Apply Poll #2 if an existing meet is prefered and not if we want our own.
If an existing meet is prefered then adjust to the average month of Poll #3 and shoot for that meet.
This system may seem robot but it is fair and american. It may loose some attendees but it would gain some as well. And I think it would be the best way to achieve the primary goal potential of 278.
I think it may be interesting to try this system out in a mock fashion at least to see where it lands and what people think of that. Purely trial. 
Again it is really hard to make everybody happy. But I for one feel better going the extra mile when I know things were done fairly. After all I am a Pinto guy.

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krazi

I got an idea, how about in the central most state in the main 48, that's right! nebraska! it could be in lincoln or there's a place in grand island, or kearney, or even here in the sleepy town of hastings! just a thought

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r4pinto

Hell, I don't really give a damn where it's at. Somebody just make a decision, like Harley said, so plans can be made in advance. I don't want to be stuck in a crappy hotel that charges the wrong card & almost gets me stuck out of state again. Also so I can preven a reoccurence of this year, having my car break down. I still have a tranny replacement & carb replacement as well as odds & ends before I take it out of state again. Just my .02 worth
Matt Manter
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Pintaro

I am new to this site,I have logged 5 hours so I know my word doesnt mean much.But I would LOVE to see a pinto show in oklahoma. I have had Pintos since high school,even when they wernt cool.Thanks for listening :Pintaro

DreamBean

First of all let me say that I am very thankfull for this website. I have been to both of the meets and have enjoyed the cars but the people that I have met even more. Getting time off from work is realy hard for me to do. So I am limited as to where and when I can go. BUT! I will try to attend all the meets that I can. The trip to carlisle was a bit much for the bean and the wife. (I will have A/C next year) I don't want to wizz anyone off, But I love the idea of our own show. The all Ford show was awesome but a get together of only Pintos to show and promote OUR cars to get more press for our hard work sounds great. We have all put alot of time and love and care into our cars. I love my Pinto! It may not be the best or the fastest but I have worked hard on my car. I want to show it off. I am proud to be a P.C.C.A. member.  Thanks for letting put my 2cents worth in.
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pintoman

Where and when is the 2007 national meet.I don't know about the rest of you but I need to know so I can start making arrangements to attend.
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78squirewagon

Just passing along that I am still waiting to hear back from The Milwaukee Mile but as soon as I do, PCCA will be the first to know. Again, even if we cant host the event at the track there are tons of places here in the area that would love to have us. How about close to 1000 cars in a river park setting. it happend this past weekend and I know that I can find some place. Plus I have a Ford club just waiting in the wings to help out plus a lot of other people
Wisconsin is central so keep that in mind.
Just sharing my two cents worth

Mark
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gpinto2

Woah!!!! somebody said South Dakota!!!!!! Hey,I would go for that since I live there(South Dakota) and yes the Black Hills does have a lot of history.
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turbopinto72

Quote from: fordraceman15 on August 15, 2006, 08:00:38 AM
Hi
I was at the 2nd pinto meet and it was a blast. Thanks to the PCCA there will be a regular pinto class next year. I did win a FOMOCO pick award but did not go in the parade. I dont think it would have made it with out over heating, with having the full blone racing motor in sorry. I feel that it is to hard to pick one place and make everyone happy. How about three shows each year,west,midd and east?
thanks
John Salter

John, we are considering that. Thanks you guys for your comments.
Brad F
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fordraceman15

Hi
I was at the 2nd pinto meet and it was a blast. Thanks to the PCCA there will be a regular pinto class next year. I did win a FOMOCO pick award but did not go in the parade. I dont think it would have made it with out over heating, with having the full blone racing motor in sorry. I feel that it is to hard to pick one place and make everyone happy. How about three shows each year,west,midd and east?
thanks
John Salter

77turbopinto

We hope to make it to this meet, as this years was a blast.

I hope I am not out of line here, however I need to bring up one thing that bothered me about Carlisle this year. There were the about the same number of Mavericks as Pintos in the show (an example), and ALL 6 Mavericks that won were in the parade VS. 2 Pintos. If this were a regular show, well, ok, but at our National Pinto Meet where we PROMOTE ourselves and our cars? I understand that the parade is a bit of a pain, but there were HUNDREDS of people that took the time and effort to vote on these cars. IMHO: If you do not plan to partake in any award activities (time or other concerns), please ask that you car not be voted on.

Sorry, just my $.02.

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78pinto

well put Brad. Maybe he's planning to overthrow us? ;D  A pinto/bobcat meet can happen anytime anywhere and i'm sure it will be well received by all of us. A pi--ing contest of power....where does that come from.....really? I don't think you will find ANYWHERE on this site that the "heads of state" have ruled with an iron fist and laid down the law. (yet ;D)  I think it was an unfair comment and if you don't take it back.....the banning stick shall be brought to bear upon thou ;) ;) ;)  or the banhammer....whatever we decide!
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turbopinto72

Quote from: GRANDPA on August 14, 2006, 08:08:55 PM
I've attended both national meets and would probably go the third if it is within reasonable distance.

The main thing here is "PINTO" was fun then (1970-1980) and should be today. 

What I hear is bickering and threats of "sanctioning" a meet.  Is this group for the enjoyment of our  "Pintos", modified or restored, or a p----ing contest of power?  Organization is good to a point but control will ruin a good thing.

We will continue to gather locally, regionally and hopefully nationally with or without the said "heads of state".

Think about it before this gets out of control.

Grandpa
"If your experiencing "NO FEAR" you aren't going fast enough or having enough fun"
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Well, how do I begin to respond to this??? First, I will say that this has been a VERRY healthy discussion that involves ALL of us. Second, just who are you referring to as " heads of state" ? If you are implying that the AdMin on this site, which I am one of, are ( because of discussion and wanting to address the entire body of this site) " ruining a good thing" I think you are misled and have not been following the discussion. I can tell you this. WE ( the body of this site) will come up with a fair and just scenario for a National/Regional or other " sanctioned" event despite wether you feel it is getting out of controll. And by making a statement like the one you have just made makes me believe you have nothing constructive to say an this subject. Your comments are incitefull and that is not what this discussion is about. IF, the " heads of state " ( as you put it) were bent on a socialistic government we would not be asking the entire board for impute. Most sincerely ( one of the heads of state)
Brad F
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73pintogeek

Hmmm...funny  I haven`t picked up on any bickering or threat`s ...merely member`s voicing opinion`s on where they might like to see the next event...Jeeeezzzz....We all get along just fine here !  :welcome: Enjoy!
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GRANDPA

I've attended both national meets and would probably go the third if it is within reasonable distance.

The main thing here is "PINTO" was fun then (1970-1980) and should be today. 

What I hear is bickering and threats of "sanctioning" a meet.  Is this group for the enjoyment of our  "Pintos", modified or restored, or a p----ing contest of power?  Organization is good to a point but control will ruin a good thing.

We will continue to gather locally, regionally and hopefully nationally with or without the said "heads of state".

Think about it before this gets out of control.

Grandpa
"If your experiencing "NO FEAR" you aren't going fast enough or having enough fun"
                                                               UNITED FORD OWNERS
GRANDPA

r4pinto

As one of those that attended the meet this year I do say it would be fair to move it around & depending where it is I'll be there. Also as one of those that had car troubles, all I can say is the trip can be taxing on the cars if they aren't driven much. Mine went about 950 estimated miles before it left me on the side of the road with a crapped out carb.

Bottom line is make sure it is 100% ready before driving your pinto any long distance. Even then that's no guarantee that it will make it. I did all I could including rebuilding the carb a month before & STILL had problems.

Gettign off my soap box now.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

Srt

I would like to attend a get together.  my preference would be any where west of the Sierra Nevada
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osiyo59

As a "West coaster" I would have to say that some where in te middle of the country so that every one has somewhat of a shot at attending. I think the Deadwood South Dakota is a good neutral spot. I was there in '99 for the Sturgis Bike ralley and there is a lot of History to see there. That is my vote. That is all I have to say...Rob
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redmustangman3

Another option would be to hold the event on the East coast one year and on the West coast the next year ( or Mid-west;Southeast, etc). Another organization I belong to (R/C boat racing) does this and it works very well. It gives everyone a chance to attend the event every other year. Very few people will drive across country to attend an event for one or two days ( cost, vacation time, reliability issues, etc.). It might also be helpful to make our Pinto event part of another larger event for greater exposure-i.e. a West coast Pinto meet in conjunction with Fabulous Fords Forever at Knotts Berry Farm. We had 19 Pintos at this event last year and it was a blast. Regards, Joe
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CraftyCreations

Ok.... So I have not been here for long, and I missed the last one because I bought the PINTO less than 30 days before the show...but I REALLY, REALLY wanna go to the next meet.

With that said....

I can not drive to CA.... eevn though I would love to see that stae... too far, too costly and way too long to sit in a PINTO.... at least in mine!

I am in favor of soemthing evenly spaced for everyone... although the Milwakee Mile sounds like a blast... and that they would WELCOME us as a group... that to me is important... I hate to hear.  eeeeewwwww a PINTO !?!?

I wanna hear  """ WOW... COOL.... A PINTO! """

So, there My say is recorded, as much as it means.....
I can say if it is within 900 miles and my car isnt blown up from the TEENS driving it....I will go 'where ever' for a cool PINTO show !
I love my " Ford Blue " 1974 Runabout

Farmboy

As a west coaster as you call us, the Reno thing sounds great, I would travel thru a couple of states to get there, Sacramento don't sound to bad either, but a real long haul back to the east coast or mid west is out of the question at this time.
  Gas at 3.00 a gallon, driving a car that is 30+ years old or putting it on a trailer and towing and putting on a quick 3000+ mile journey is a bit of a streach for me as I am not a rich man. Hope everything works out as I believe we should have the next meet in Tacoma, Wa. (just kidding)!!
  I do what the voices in my Pinto tell me to do




74 Pinto Wagon
71 Runabout (parts car)

Scott Hamilton

Wow, this thread has generated lots of intrest and opinions & because of this the Admins have opened a 911 thread in the admin section to work out some if not all of your concerns...

PLEASE POST YOUR wants, feelings and desires...  We are working on a plan to make this work... We will do our best to come up with a solution... We need your feedback... Polls and such coming soon....

West Coasters, what are your feelings about a pinto meet? Alberto?

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turbopinto72

Quote from: pintoman on August 03, 2006, 06:06:30 PM
If my memory serves me right,i do believe that as a group that attended the first gathering.We did agree on having the national gathering in Branson,Mo. next year.I think we also said that maybe the 2008 would be in Vegas or Reno.If anyone can confirm this please do.If we do have it in Nev. i plane on being there,maybe without the Rallye but i plan on going.We need to settle this issue soon ,so we as a group can start to get things organized.

The problem is/was that the group you are referring of did not represent the   " body" of this site. Because of that, there are some people who are not happy with that " agreement". The Administrators of this site are having a discussion regarding this issue. There will be another discussion regarding organized events as soon as we can resolve some issues. Stay tuned.
Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

pintoman

If my memory serves me right,i do believe that as a group that attended the first gathering.We did agree on having the national gathering in Branson,Mo. next year.I think we also said that maybe the 2008 would be in Vegas or Reno.If anyone can confirm this please do.If we do have it in Nev. i plane on being there,maybe without the Rallye but i plan on going.We need to settle this issue soon ,so we as a group can start to get things organized.
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