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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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Quote from: dick1172762 on October 24, 2017, 01:26:39 PM
Or you could do what I did and buy up a set or two for the future. As little as a Pinto goes on long trips or high speed romps, the old but unused tires should be just fine. BTW the legion race car that race with motorcycle engines, use a 205/60/13 BFG tires on all 4 corners. They don't have a DOT number I think. Would be worth looking into if they race near you.
For 2 of theses off eBay &126.00 including shipping
NEW FEDERAL 205/60r13 87h ss 595  SOLD INDIVIDUALLY



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LongTimeFordMan

Check my previous post for a link to the gps app.

You only need a functioning android pbone with gps, doesnt need any cell network to work.

But there seems to be a problem with the "trip mileage" recorder and reset functions .  Could be related to my older phone. I just leave it connected to power and running all the time and themileage just keeps accumulating like with the mechanical odo so I can calculate my gas mileage, etc.

For navigation I use my activated phone and google maps..

The bluetooth amplifier cost like $30 and has 5 watts power. Its connected to the car speakers and links to my phone for I heart radio and google maps..

I really lucked out with my speedo gear change.. with my gearing, 14" tires and a change to a 17 tooth gear, my odometer reads exactly measured over 100 miles but my speedo reads about 5 mpg slow at 55 mph.

So I mostly just use the speedo app,  in fact i have cheep insurance with a 5000 mile anual limit and somehow my mechanical odo just stopped working...
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Wittsend


Quote from: LongTimeFordMan on October 25, 2017, 01:49:20 PM
... a retired phone with no cell service with the speedo app  ...



Been there and yes it sure is a great way to test the speedo after gear/tire changes. What App do you use. I like the big bright numbers.


Cop: Sir do you know how fast you were going. Old Driver: Ahh..., no officer I wasn't watching my digital phone/GPS based speedometer. Cop: Why not? Old Driver: What do you think I am, a Millennial?   ;D

LongTimeFordMan

Some pix of my digital array it has mounts for my current phone with google maps, a retired phone with no cell service with the speedo app and a mount for a small backup camera monitor.

All of the mounts use existing holes, so no mods to dash,.

There is a detail of the clamp which has a 1/4 20 screw socket for mounting to the selfie stick. I think i got the sticks at dollar tree.

I also made a shade from thin abs plastic and painted it black.

I recently moved to the dallas area from los angeles and rely heavily on the gps for daily driving as well as for longer trips to car shows and weekend trips..

Getting a little off the topic, but I replaced the aftermarket radio that was in the car when I got it with a cb and got a bluetooth amplifier from amazon that links my phone to the in car speakers to play the radio and navigation instructions from google maps.
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dick1172762

Quote from: Jdm071755 on October 25, 2017, 06:53:17 AM
Thanks for everyone's thoughts. I think if I can I'll stick with 13 inch


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I buy all of my tires for the Pinto off of E-bay. 205/60/13 are really the only size that's hard to get. I see a set about once a month. Always Federals for some reason. This time a year many sets are postage free.
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

LongTimeFordMan

You can also calibrate your odo and speedo with a gps app. I found a freat one for android that continuously logs the odo miles and serves as a speedo.

Its called Tripmaster Speedometer
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.discipleskies.usaspeedometer

It has a large speed display and continuously logs the miles driven like the manual odo.

I have an android phone that I updated that has no phone service but the gps works fine and I just keep that in the car connected.

I used a holder from a cheep selfie stick I found at a local dollar store and mounted it to the dash with an aluminum bracket that attaches with one of the existing screws for the heater control, so no mods to the original dash are needed.

Will up some pix...
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Billnparts

Real world experience. Increasing one tooth on the speedometer driven gear (on end of cable) will decrease your reading by apx. 7 mph. Decreasing the number of teeth will increase your reading. Check your accuracy by checking your odometer against the mile markers on the highway.


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Quote from: pintosopher on October 25, 2017, 06:50:24 AM
My Panasport 13x7 wheels were originally mounted with Yokohama A001R 205/60-13 tires. It looked good and the grip was great. But I went to slicks for racing and bagged the Yokos. I wonder if they're still safe to use? I also wonder if Coker Tire would consider some new market share, or should we rely on Europe for Avon, Dunlop and the like. Bulk Container loads anyone? Bias ply Mickey Thompsons B50-13, Kelley tires in Bias ply..  ;D

Pintosopher, If it rolls it should be round and balanced :)
Thanks for everyone's thoughts. I think if I can I'll stick with 13 inch


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My Panasport 13x7 wheels were originally mounted with Yokohama A001R 205/60-13 tires. It looked good and the grip was great. But I went to slicks for racing and bagged the Yokos. I wonder if they're still safe to use? I also wonder if Coker Tire would consider some new market share, or should we rely on Europe for Avon, Dunlop and the like. Bulk Container loads anyone? Bias ply Mickey Thompsons B50-13, Kelley tires in Bias ply..  ;D

Pintosopher, If it rolls it should be round and balanced :)
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

Check my Pinto Poems out...

dga57

I was able to purchase five brand new whitewall 13" tires for my '74 Runabout last year but they were expensive and it took a lot of searching.  I have no intention of going to anything else until I absolutely have to.  My car is completely stock and I'd like to keep it that way.


Dwayne :)
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dick1172762

Or you could do what I did and buy up a set or two for the future. As little as a Pinto goes on long trips or high speed romps, the old but unused tires should be just fine. BTW the legion race car that race with motorcycle engines, use a 205/60/13 BFG tires on all 4 corners. They don't have a DOT number I think. Would be worth looking into if they race near you.
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LongTimeFordMan

I agree about the difficulty with 13" tires..

When we were in dearborn with the stampede this year, one of the cars had a 13" tire fail and he looked all over the city and could only find a special order.

It was a race car and he had no spare, so he had to borrow a couple of spares to get around to events.

Fortunately he was trailering the car so he was able to return the borrowed spares and trailer it home.

Personally I think 14" is still a good compromise and does provide a bit of gear ratio upgrade for highway use.
Red 1973 pinto wagon DD, SoCal desert car, Factory 4 speed, 3.40 gears, Stock engine, 14" rims and tires, 60 K original miles

Wittsend

Pinto's have generous wheel opening and one can put a considerable amount of tire in there (especially in the rear). The "unsightliness" becomes when the wheel itself is too large and the tire aspect ratio has a tire that looks like it belongs on a fork lift.  60 series is as small as one should go before the look is just out of step with the time period of the Pinto.  Stock a 13" tire on the Pinto looks "under-tired." But lowered and 205-60-13"s look good.  The 20-60-13" tire is still available, but you really have to look for it. The Federal Formoza being the most prevalent.

I agree with Dick that the 13"/14" tires are hard to find. Unfortunately even 15" are going that way and I find it hard to suggest 16" wheels for the Pinto. What's a Pinto owner to do???

dick1172762

One thing you should think about is the decline of tire sizes in America. Most 13 inch tires sizes are no longer made here in the USA. 14 inch will be next I'm sure. Mexico and England still have them, but at a cost most don't want to pay. I really think Pinto's look their best with 13 inch tires, but times are changing. 15 inch is really your only smart size as those tires will be around for awhile. Anything bigger just does not look right on a Pinto or so I think. Look at all the pictures of Pinto's and you will see most have 13 or 14 inch wheels / tires.
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LongTimeFordMan

Source for speedo gears..

https://www.transmissioncenter.com/shop/driven-gears-for-ford-standard-transmissions-and-ford-transfer-cases/

As mentioned, my original gear for 13" tires and 3.40 gears had 19 teeth.

At 55 mph the indicated speed was 50.

I installed a 17 tooth and it is now correct for odometer and speedo.

To calculate the tooth number you need the formula is

Correct number teeth = Real speed ÷ indicated speed × teeth count on original

For me 50÷55×19= 17

If you are reading 61 at 75 and assuming you havei a 19 tooth gear now

The equation would be 61÷75×19=15.4 so try a 15 or 16 tooth gear.. i think the lowest tooth count available is 16
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Jdm071755

Thanks so much


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I have 14" wheels on my 73 and had the same problem....  I replaced the speedo gear with a 17 tooth one and my odometer and speedo are right on as measured with my gps.

My factory gear was a 19 tooth one....

I think i have a link for the website where I ordered mine.
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Quote from: Jdm071755 on October 21, 2017, 07:41:05 AM
Is there any issues putting 15 inch wheels on my car. Any thing need to be changed like speedometer gear?


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I have 15" on my 72 Runabout.  My only issue is the speedometer reads about 7 mph slower than I'm driving at most speeds and at 61 mph I'm actually doing 75.  While you can take it to a speedometer shop to have the right gears installed, I use a GPS to give me the actual speed.


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The wheel itself at 15" diameter is not where you will encounter problems. It is the offset (in/out) that can cause the wheel/tire to hit the suspension or fender.  While it is true that with the 15" wheel you will likely have wider/taller tires the Pinto wheel wells are rather generous with space.


  I've included a picture of my wagon that for a short time used the '88 Turbo Coupe 16", 225-60-16" wheel/tires.  There was very minor rubbing on the front fender near full lock and I had to space the rears about 1/4" outward to clear the leaf springs.  Also included is a shot of 225-60-15" on a set of 90's era wheels. I called them the "Carl's Jr. Star" wheels.  ;D   Both were temporary as the tall tire really bogged the car and did not look good anyway. The ride suffered too as it seemed the tire was just too stiff. I am now running 175-70-13" on Mustang II wheels - again temporarily. I wanted to run 14" steel Mustang SSP look a like wheels off a T-Bird (real 15" SSP's are getting real expensive) but the offset is just too narrow for the Pinto and that too looked dumb.


So, yes it is doable but watch the offset and the fender clearances. Lastly wheel size can become irreverent when say... a 185-50-15" tire may be very close in actual outer size to say... a 195-70-13" tire.  It is only the large hole in the center that is really different.

Jdm071755

Quote from: robertwwithee on October 21, 2017, 10:13:29 AM
Ive never had any issues with 3 different sets of 15 rims/tires.  Ive never worried about speedo off.  There is a formula that you can use to see how much its off.  I think im like 5 over at 60mph.  Never worried about, went with traffic flow.

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Quote from: Jdm071755 on October 21, 2017, 07:41:05 AM
Is there any issues putting 15 inch wheels on my car. Any thing need to be changed like speedometer gear?


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Ive never had any issues with 3 different sets of 15 rims/tires.  Ive never worried about speedo off.  There is a formula that you can use to see how much its off.  I think im like 5 over at 60mph.  Never worried about, went with traffic flow.

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Is there any issues putting 15 inch wheels on my car. Any thing need to be changed like speedometer gear?


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