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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

The Restoration Of my 1977 V-6 Pinto Crusing Wagon

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dga57

Congratulations DBSS1234!  Looks like a summer full of car shows well spent!  You should be proud!


Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

Reeves1

QuoteNext on my list of personal cars to restore is my 1967 Mustang coupe. Same car as I had in high school in the mid 70's. It will be restored to 70's hot rod style. Big tires, jacked up, load exhaust....... ..........you get the idea!


http://www.fordracingpartsdirect.com/FORD_RACING_BOSS_CRATE_ENGINE_ASSEMBLY_363_500HP_p/m-6007-z363ft.htm


;D

74 PintoWagon

Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

DBSS1234

Car show season in the great white north is pretty much over now. :'(  Here is how my Pinto done at the area shows.
It was fun listening to the comments. One I heard many times was, as people seen it was a Pinto they made some smart comment about blowing up or them being a piece of ____.  :( Then as they looked at it I heard them say This is pretty nice, I like it."  :)
Next on my list of personal cars to restore is my 1967 Mustang coupe. Same car as I had in high school in the mid 70's. It will be restored to 70's hot rod style. Big tires, jacked up, load exhaust.................you get the idea!


dianne

Yep, it's a great restoration project for certain.

Thanks for sharing it!
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

Runabout75

Great resoration. One of my favorite Pinto designs. Thanks for sharing the process.
Runabout75

DBSS1234

At car shows people keep asking me how many 1977 Pinto Cruising Wagons were made so I ordered a Marti Report for my car. It breaks down as follows:

225,097 Pintos produced in 1977
  10,029 were Cruising Wagons
       811 were silver with the 3 tone stripe package

Of the 225,097 Pinto produced 11.774 had the V-6 engine or 5.32% of production.

Applying the 5.23% to the 811 silver striped Cruising Wagons you get about 42 V-6 power silver striped Cruising Wagons................

How many are left???? I only know of one...........
It should be a safe bet I won't have a dozen or more like me at a show.  ;)

dga57

That's a good looking pair of ponies!!!


Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

DBSS1234

Just a little update. After getting a second set of wheels cleaned up and some new tires mounted I now have a "driver" set of wheels so I can let the little wagon leave city limits. I tested the quality of my mechanical restoration by taking in a show with Cookieboy in Aitkin, MN, a 378 mile round trip! It made the trip with out any problems, never had to even look at my emergency tool kit. :D

Here is a picture of the 77 and Cookie's 80 at the show.


Pintosopher

DB,
This has been the best restoration I've seen in detail, Thanks for showing the Perfection in effort execution. Of course,  if I had a career path that drove me nuts, My racer would be my escape as I bought every possible AN fitting to plumb it with and built a state of the art cage into it.  But instead, I'm writing Sci- Fi  automotive literary efforts and trying to save the Pinto corner of the Hobby from the EPA and CARB.  Your persistence and presentation is an inspiration to us all.

Keep it Shiny, and rolling! ;)

Pintosopher :)
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

Check my Pinto Poems out...

Pinto5.0

It's almost a shame that it's going to get dusty & dirty from use.
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

Reeves1


bbobcat75

Looks awesome! Great job!  And it started and rolled out on its own power!! That's a feet in itself!!
1975 mercury bobcat 2.8 auto
1975 ford pinto - drag car - 2.3l w/t5 trans - project car

74 PintoWagon

Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

dga57

I wish I COULD make it to Apple Valley Ford - I'd love to see your car in person.  It's a beauty!!!


Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

dianne

Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

Alpine615

Wow!! Congrats on a job VERY well done! I am in awe of your restoration. Have fun at Apple Valley. -Steve
1980 Runabout

DBSS1234

DONE!!!!! Rolled it out of the shop under it's own power and took a few pictures. Sorry for the quality of the pictures.....come to Apple Valley Ford on June 1st to see it in person! 8)





P.S. Just to clarify, a couple of times I referred to doing some work on customers cars. I am not a professional restoration shop. My 8-5 job is a mechanical desginer at a local manufacturing company. The restoration stuff is to maintain my sanity. 

P.P.S.  Cookie Boy, see you in Apple Valley! ;D

DBSS1234

Quote from: Pinto5.0 on May 14, 2014, 03:05:28 PM
Good God you work fast. I've been trying for 3 weeks to find time to bolt the head on my 2.3 & paint it.

I have a deadline! Cookieboy has promised people it will be at the Apple Valley, MN all Ford show on June 1st. I don't have the heart to tell it won't! :o

Pinto5.0

Good God you work fast. I've been trying for 3 weeks to find time to bolt the head on my 2.3 & paint it.
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

dianne

Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

DBSS1234

Interior is installed! Still need to paint and install the front spoiler, install a new pipe between the muffler and the cat., and do the detailing touchups. Next Wednesday it has an appointment for a front end alignment then it is as done as a hobby car ever is. Meaning it is never really done!



DBSS1234

The chrome trim was dicussed before in this forum:
  "I found a source for replacment chrome insert molding for Cruising wagon bubble windows. They are idenical ( except the back side is flat not pionted} to the ones used on 1978 Bronco windshield moldings.I matched my old one up the the new onesa friend just got. He got it from broncograveyar d.com . It is the same with and has lock edges like the Pinto's , like I said the back is flat , but I dont see why it wont work. Here is a link. http://broncograveyard.com/bronco/i-25180-windshield-reveal-molding-chrome.html "   As for the gaskets, I was lucky that mine were in fine shape. Up here in the rust belt metal disappears but rubber survives very nicely!

Svtcobra97

Curious about the portholes.  Where did you find new gaskets and retainer rings?

dga57

Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

dianne

Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

DBSS1234

Been a VERY busy weekend. Saturday I installed the bubble windows and the rear glass then buffed the paint out. The buffing process I use is as stated before sand out to 3000 grit. First buff is with a foam cutting pad and Meguiar's M100Pro Speed Compound followed by a final buff with a foam polish pad and Meguiar's M205 Ultra Finishing Polish. Finally wash the car, have a beer and go take a nap! Sunday I started reassembly, about all I have left is front bumper, and interior install. Then it is misc. paint touchup, final checking of the mechanicals and a test drive. ;D


Clydesdale80

Quote from: TIGGER on May 09, 2014, 04:18:48 PM
I do not think they are useless however they are going to be harder to sell in my opinion.  You will have find the right person.

Fair enough
Bought a 1978 hatchback to be my first car.

TIGGER

Quote from: Clydesdale80 on May 08, 2014, 09:19:44 PM
I have no filler pieces or inner panels with the ones I have.  I guess my uncle didn't know those were necessary when he took them off 30 years ago.  So are my panels just useless then?

I do not think they are useless however they are going to be harder to sell in my opinion.  You will have find the right person.
79 4cyl Wagon
73 Turbo HB
78 Cruising Wagon (sold 8/6/11)

dianne

Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied