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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

I want 10 more horse power, Will a different carb do that for me?

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slowride

I've been thinking about this issue for some time (started with fabbing a plenum to raise the 5200), and what I was trying to get around is trying to use a progressive carb. Even with the EFI intake, the only advantage is the longer runners on 2 & 3 (as it relates to a progressive). I'm looking for an EFI intake to modify for a carb specific combo. Using a 38/38, I'll mill the divider between 2 & 3 and 1 & 4 effectively making a dual plane intake. With the runners being closer to equal length it should flow fairly even between planes with the added bonus of being able to jet the planes separately. The only thing I won't know till I get in it is if there's enough low speed velocity to keep the intake charge from pulsing.

amc49

Yeah, looking at the EFI manifold shows it could be a nice part but the adapter needed to mount 2 bbl. on it, well, most of them are 1 inch thick and not enough area there (at least to me) to feed the outside of the 4 runners when that short. Racer Walsh shows a 2 inch one that would be better but hood clearance could then be an issue...............

http://www.racerwalsh.zoovy.com/product/RWA1232B_ALUM/adaptor-efi-2bbl-2-Alum.html

Is this the 'euro' part? They say fits some year of Ranger..............

http://www.racerwalsh.zoovy.com/product/RWA1118/manifold-canon.html

Nothing against Webers at all, just another carb you gotta find or make parts for. I prefer Holley (got some lying around doing nothing) and next one will be a 350 2 bbl. made out of a 600 #1850 carb. Trying to figure out whether to use 1 11/16" or 1 3/4" baseplate. Parts are where you find them.

Srt


AMC is correct, the stock 2.0 manifold is closer to ideal. I massaged a Stock 2.0 manifold to take the edges off the turn from the downdraft portion on the upper portion of the Runners and gained crisper throttle response, but still no big gains UNTIL I bolted a Weber non-progressive 38DGAS onto this manifold. Then we had great power up to 3500-4000 rpm with no other engine mods , Just a Hooker Super Comp 4 into 1 header and long glasspack muffler. And then I needed more so I bought and installed the Semi race IMSA Motor with 2 sidedrafts. and Yes Virginia, there is a Santa Claus at 6500- 7000RPM 8)



ford (Europe) did manufacture a (semi) equal length runner intake for the 2.0.  it had the two inner (2 & 3) runners enter the plenum at the outside & the outer (1 & 4) runners enter the plenum on the inside. not truly equal length but closer than the original as supplied on US sold cars. 


IIRC the carb height was marginally higher but still cleared the hood with an air cleaner applied.

the only substitute for cubic inches is BOOST!!!

Jauntimus Prime

Apparently the '85-up EFI lower intake holds a lot of promise. I have one laying around waiting to be repurposed.

Who here has messed around with this setup?
Sarsaparilla Jones, '77 C/W
Coming soon: '89 XR4Ti 2.3T, T5, and a big @$$ intercooler

amc49

It's not hard to drill the primary only squirter to be one with secondary as well..........................

Jerry merrill

I'm not sure if you have an auto or manual trans but the 38/38 DGAS weber carb with secondary side opening the same time as the primary side will wake up a 2.3. I have experimented with making the secondary side open up with the primary on the stock 71 carb but without a squirter in the secondary side it will bog. The 38/38 has a squirter in the secondary side. On ebay for around 230 bucks. You will lose some economy though.

slowride

My machinist never got around to milling out the dividers and said screw it and closed the doors. I got the intake back, but all that's done to it is radiusing the top edge of the ports in the plenum.

thmpsn70

slowride that was a very good write up,, why did you stop? was waiting to see how he maifold worked after milling out the obstruction, I am doing a blow through turbo on a 2.3, and using laramee's advice im going to use the efi manifold with a holley 350 2 barrel on it, joe told me the mis match from the d-port mani to the oval head creates a vacuum  the assists the air turning into the valve, and since he is quite knowledgeable i am choosing to listen, but i was curious to what milling that out did for you.. Timmy

jeremysdad


gaeliccouple

Will the intake manifold off a stock 2.0 pinto motor bolt straight onto a 2.3 cylinder head without modifications?????

amc49

Uh, a single plane intake on a four is the same as a dual plane on a V-8, really no difference there. The single plane if designed right can have every bit of response the dual plane can. Mopar used single plane intakes on many of its' V-8 smallblocks. Look at Edelbrock's Torker series, they outperformed their own hi-rise dual plane line. The dual planes had bigger passages that lost torque at lower rpm. The Performer series one-upped that even more and designed to increase power over stock dual plane manifolds used at the time at both low and higher rpm of dead stock engines.

74 PintoWagon

Looks like I'm gonna have to find a couple of intakes and do some experimenting I guess.. :)
Art
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jeremysdad

I'll stick with my proven old school tech, any day of the week.

2.0 intake is single plane, and as such...wants a large cam, lots of gas...and a manually-shifted, high-stall automatic. Maybe with a line lock. But, burnouts are for people with tire-sponsors. :D lol

Oh...was that an EGR spacer? Why the hell did they even make those??? lol Never met one that didn't: a:)require a drill bit to actually be open, and B:)not be a horribly stupid idea lol

74 PintoWagon

Reading that thread was enlightening now I understand what's going on, that piece don't look too hard to make either.
Art
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amc49

I too at one time thought about modding a stock 2.3 manifold, after looking at it became convinced way too much effort for little gained there. The 2.0 intake with adapter just looked so much better.

When it comes to basic engine though, I'll take the 2.3, 300cc. is 30 hp in my world. The cam support in head is much better too. Not big on the intake port layout though, somebody was really sleeping when that one was designed. EVERY SINGLE PORT is different from the others, a record there.

At one time was scouting for an EFI intake to mod to take a carb but other things got in the way.

slowride

A little something I came up with for the stock intake and carb. Helped the idle and mid-range (post 24).
http://www.fordpinto.com/your-project/2-3-mods/msg113292/#msg113292

74 PintoWagon

Yeah same ole thing, "how fast you want to go is how much you want to spend",lol, No smog burdens here I refuse to deal with that crap.
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

Pintosopher

Only if you wish to stop at 160 HP Street legal on Pump gas with no Smog burdens ,then the Cyl head and Money can get you Huge power from Esslinger for the 2.3l and it will be a Moot point.... ::)
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

Check my Pinto Poems out...

74 PintoWagon

From what I gather it seems like the 2.0 is a lot better motor than the 2.3 is to begin with?..
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

Pintosopher

Quote from: amc49 on November 01, 2013, 02:11:27 AM
Too flat, the top entry has to turn too hard to change to go sideways. The 2.3 runners are two short and two long like on 2.0 but the top is woefully incomplete to make the effective length even worse than the short ones on 2.0. Half of runner length is missing on top of runner, because plenum was crammed into it. Too much change in sharp angles, the 2.0 is all gradual curves like airflow likes. 2.0 also has a length from top into runner entry that allows air to curve without dropping out fuel, which is a major problem on these motors, the ports are too big in diameter, why they half-as-ed tried to improve it by going to D port. The D port extending into manifold takes what would have been a good idea and makes it worse. Or a nice flat floor for fuel to slam into and drop out of suspension with air. The bottom half of port literally flows no air at all, all flow comes at the roof. They were trying to shrink port to bring mixture speed up at low rpm by eliminating the low flow area. The 2.0 intake is so much better that it actually still improves flow even though the entry from manifold to head on the outside cylinders does not match, a big overhang there. 2.0 manifold actually outflows almost any aftermarket manifold made to fit the 2.0, even the hi-perf ones. Works very well on 2.3 too even though mismatched ports, but you have to use an adapter plate to fit it to the 2.3 head. 2.0 does not have the EGR plate that screws up airflow even further either. You can fit a Holley or Motorcraft 2 bbl. directly on the 2.3 manifold with EGR adapter removed but the resulting combo is so flat that it does not work either. No room for fuel to turn the right angle corner from vertical to sideways. As a result, the throttle bores with a partially open butterfly really feed some screwy flow patterns there. All engines like at least 2 inches or more to get past a partially open butterfly to straighten so it can make the turn into top of runners. Why spacer plates under carb can help like V-8 manifolds at that point. Adds distance to allow mix to make the turn easily without fuel drop out. Curve at top of runner entries helps too rather than a sharp right angle. The 2.3 manifold is an absolute disaster as far as that is concerned.

Hard to believe that engineers could so butcher a manifold on a simple four cylinder engine like that but Ford definitely managed to do it. It's like they did everything they could think of to make it not work right. They could have added another inch here and there and the manifold would have added ten HP to the engine by itself, or what the 2.0 intake pretty much does.

It's absolutely the design, no way on earth could you ever port that thing out to match the other manifold.
AMC is correct, the stock 2.0 manifold is closer to ideal. I massaged a Stock 2.0 manifold to take the edges off the turn from the downdraft portion on the upper portion of the Runners and gained crisper throttle response, but still no big gains UNTIL I bolted a Weber non-progressive 38DGAS onto this manifold. Then we had great power up to 3500-4000 rpm with no other engine mods , Just a Hooker Super Comp 4 into 1 header and long glasspack muffler. And then I needed more so I bought and installed the Semi race IMSA Motor with 2 sidedrafts. and Yes Virginia, there is a Santa Claus at 6500- 7000RPM 8)
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

Check my Pinto Poems out...

74 PintoWagon

Thanks, that explains it guess I won't mess with that intake then, thought about doing a clean up and blending and make a spacer to eliminate the EGR plate, not worth messing with now.
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

amc49

Too flat, the top entry has to turn too hard to change to go sideways. The 2.3 runners are two short and two long like on 2.0 but the top is woefully incomplete to make the effective length even worse than the short ones on 2.0. Half of runner length is missing on top of runner, because plenum was crammed into it. Too much change in sharp angles, the 2.0 is all gradual curves like airflow likes. 2.0 also has a length from top into runner entry that allows air to curve without dropping out fuel, which is a major problem on these motors, the ports are too big in diameter, why they half-as-ed tried to improve it by going to D port. The D port extending into manifold takes what would have been a good idea and makes it worse. Or a nice flat floor for fuel to slam into and drop out of suspension with air. The bottom half of port literally flows no air at all, all flow comes at the roof. They were trying to shrink port to bring mixture speed up at low rpm by eliminating the low flow area. The 2.0 intake is so much better that it actually still improves flow even though the entry from manifold to head on the outside cylinders does not match, a big overhang there. 2.0 manifold actually outflows almost any aftermarket manifold made to fit the 2.0, even the hi-perf ones. Works very well on 2.3 too even though mismatched ports, but you have to use an adapter plate to fit it to the 2.3 head. 2.0 does not have the EGR plate that screws up airflow even further either. You can fit a Holley or Motorcraft 2 bbl. directly on the 2.3 manifold with EGR adapter removed but the resulting combo is so flat that it does not work either. No room for fuel to turn the right angle corner from vertical to sideways. As a result, the throttle bores with a partially open butterfly really feed some screwy flow patterns there. All engines like at least 2 inches or more to get past a partially open butterfly to straighten so it can make the turn into top of runners. Why spacer plates under carb can help like V-8 manifolds at that point. Adds distance to allow mix to make the turn easily without fuel drop out. Curve at top of runner entries helps too rather than a sharp right angle. The 2.3 manifold is an absolute disaster as far as that is concerned.

Hard to believe that engineers could so butcher a manifold on a simple four cylinder engine like that but Ford definitely managed to do it. It's like they did everything they could think of to make it not work right. They could have added another inch here and there and the manifold would have added ten HP to the engine by itself, or what the 2.0 intake pretty much does.

It's absolutely the design, no way on earth could you ever port that thing out to match the other manifold.

74 PintoWagon

Quote from: amc49 on October 30, 2013, 08:23:50 PMThe stock 2.3 manifold either round or D-port is absolute garbage for power.
What's actually wrong with it?, is it just the design or could it be improved with some porting to equal the 2.0 intake?. Sorry for the dumb questions just never got into small engines, always been into the big V8's.
Art
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amc49

Header will add more than the switch to earlier bigger carb. The stock 2.3 manifold either round or D-port is absolute garbage for power. Stock early carb flows around 270 cfm, past around 300 or so the manifold becomes the limiting factor on the intake side.

I had a 2.3 with a lightly ported head, mainly in valve pocket, stock big early carb rejetted and cam and a 2.0 intake manifold with adapter plate and a Hooker header on a Mustang II, I guarantee more than 10 horse added there, I guessed around 130ish. It stayed right up with my zetec cars which rate at 130 and the Mustang pulled harder at low to mid rpm.

You still have to retain the EGR spacer plate when dumping EGR since the lower pattern is for stock Holley or Motorcraft 2100 two bbl. No matter, the plate simply adds more garbage to already garbage manifold.

74 PintoWagon

I believe a "slider" is a flat tappet cam instead of a roller. ;)
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

jeremysdad

Basic:

2.3 that you have. Eliminate the cat, air pump (SMOG pump), EGR...everything but the PCV. Install an earlier model Holley 5200 (or better yet, buy a real Weber 32/36, but that's a diff post). Add a header from a Ranger (does require slight modification, but not a big deal since you're replacing your exhaust anyway ;)). Swap in a complete valve train from a Ranger that has the roller valve-train, and you're done. Easy-peasy, if you are mechanically inclined. :)

And as to 'slider'...I will assume that was a 'smart-phone' typo. lol I've never heard of such, except in reference to hamburgers. :)

gaeliccouple

Thanks all.

What do you mean by "roller cam" and "slider" ?? Are you talking about the cam shaft?? 

I have removed all the emissions save the PVC and cadilitic converter. No egr here :-)

Fred Morgan

You can get the 10 by removing egr adapter under existing carb and go with 2500 carb it will bolt right on your manifold. You can use existing throt. cable and fabricate arm to support throt. cable as I did on my 73 with 94 Ranger engine 2.3 .   Fred   :)

At Ford dealer they estimated I had 110 HP. I also do have Ford headers on it and of coarse roller cam. I forgot with Mazda hydraulic clutch 5 speed and about 6.7  3.50 gears.
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Pinto5.0

In a stock engine I've always heard there are a few HP in a Ranger header & free flowing 2" dia. exhaust & a Ranger roller cam replacing a worn slider delivers a few more but that's about it.
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Pinturbo75

exhaust is one of the easiest ways to free up hp....a late 80s early 90s mustang or ranger factory header will be a cheap upgrade and should give you what youre looking for...use the roller cam from them also and you should see a little more
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