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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

73 Wagon Project - Brownie

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r4pinto

Dave, I dunno if anyone answered your question but no that wouldn't be a problem at all. People have switched to a seperate cooler all the time for one reason or another & it was actually suggested to me when my first transmission went out on the 77.
Matt Manter
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1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

blupinto

Dave, I'm so happy you decided to keep Brownie! You are so handy with that 2.0 you should take a trip to Cali and take care of mine. lol  ;)   

Seriously, you've done wonders with that lil' wagon.  :D
One can never have too many Pintos!

dave1987

It's been awhile!

Brownie is running strong, been driving her for a week or so, then switch back to the 78 Sedan, no issues to speak of except for an oil leak from somewhere. I cannot seem to find it, but it's somewhere on the driver side of the motor, around the distributor and the oil filter. I initially thought it was the oil filter (and still do to some point) since tightening it down slowed it, but I am afraid to tighten it to much!


I just picked up an oil cooler from an early model explorer to replace the A/C condenser I am using as a tranny cooler at the moment.


I have a question about it though.


The reasoning behind swapping out the cooler is that I suspect the condenser being to restrictive and not allowing enough fluid to return to the transmission, possibly the reason for the C4's tail shaft bushing being wiped out (lack of lube in the tail shaft).


I noticed that on the explorer, the cooler that i pulled originally is connected in series with the radiator cooler. Will it be okay just to run the cooler by itself without going through the radiator cooler first?


The reason I don't use the radiator cooler is because it is filled with crud from the original clutches going out. Instead of yanking apart the cooling system and having the entire radiator rodded and cleaned (not necessary at the moment, no leaks or cooling issues), I just plugged off the transmission cooling ports.


So, will the transmission be okay running this explorer cooler as a stand alone and not in series?
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

Now that I have the garage just outside, I can work on brownie whenever I want to!

Taking care of the little problems and projects now. I replaced the extension housing nudging on the transmission last week and yesterday i replaced the burned blower control switch.

I just tighened down the annoying exhaust clamp at the transmission and the manifold to downpipe bolts. Now installing a temperature gauge, the wiped delay and wiring up the cargo lamp.

It's going to be so nice to drive her this summer!
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

http://www.sscenterprises.com/

Scott hasn't added it to the Pinto Parts section, but I emailed him pictures and verification that it does fit the Pinto bezel perfectly as an NOS one would.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

r4pinto

Quote from: dave1987 on March 30, 2012, 10:14:49 PM
Brownie got her shift bezel restored with a new seal! :D

Dave I replaced mine years ago but sitting out in the sun has played havoc on mine & I can't seem to remember where I got it. Where did you get yours at?
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

dave1987

I checked on this radio, I had one similar in the 78 for a week, and it doesn't have the color changing option since it's a base model of the radio. It's okay though, just going to take some getting used to from the blue LED lighting in the 78 to the red LED lighting in the wagon! :P

Tonight I straightened the hood and the fenders/headlight doors to line up, so the hood doesn't extend past the fenders anymore. I also managed to push some of the driver side dent out. It will require a lot of bondo to fill it in without replacing the panel, but it is do-able to make it look decent again. Then I need to get some paint matched up so I can spruce up that fender a bit and put the replacement headlight door on.

I also messed with the wiring on the passenger side to figure out why I had to hit the fender to get the headlight to come on. I replaced the ground terminals and scuffed the contact areas, but it didn't help any. It turns out the lamp is bad, which is odd because the one I had on the car previously did the same thing. I'm going to replace them with some Sylvania SilverStar lamps like the 78 has and call it good after that.


Here are some pictures of the finished box. I got the rear connection terminals in tonight, and the banana plugs on the wiring.

The third pic of the plugs on the wiring isn't really what it's like right now, I shorted the longer wire to match after taking the picture.


1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

johnbigman2011

Dave, very clean install... You know some of them radios have a color changer for the display built in.
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dave1987

The box I built for the 6x9's isn't completely finished yet. I need to put the terminal cups on the back of each 6x9 enclosure which will make installation and remove of the assembly easier. I will do that the next time I am at my parent's house and have access to the Rotozip and will post pictures of it afterwards. Other than that this is what it will look like.

1) The amp and back of box(s) (BOSS letters glow blue when powered on, but I'll never see it! lol)

2) The 6x9 enclosure assembly and 10" sub in the middle (perfect fit and not planned! :D)

3) Covered with the black cargo cover. The sub is taller than I like, but who would expect a 10" sub in a Pinto Station Wagon???? lol
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

Brownie got a sound system installed this month. Nothing extravagant when it comes to a "performance" sound system, as the 6.5" and 6x9" speakers are no where near high end, but they are much better than the single 6.5" I had temporarily in the dash running off the cassette deck (previously the AM radio), that would crackle and cut out.

The deck and speakers are Pioneer. They all came as a set that I purchased from Walmart for $99.99, which wasn't a bad deal at all considering a low end similar deck alone would have cost me $129.99 or more. The sub and amp added up to the same price I paid for the deck and speakers. The only other things I had to get was an amplifier wiring kit (ebay @ $15.00) and the sub enclosure (would have built it but I don't have the time to right now) which was $29.99.

Total system cost - $244.97, and I can transplant it to another car in the future if need be.


I didn't cut up any of the stock panels or radio bezel, I have spares and luckily I had a spare metal radio bezel the same color as Brownie's dash from a bobcat I pulled apart a few years back. Kick panels are some I had in storage with a few broken door jam tabs, but no bad cracks, so I painted them and cut holes for the 6.5" speakers.

So, everything is reversible should I ever decide to sell the car and not loose much of the car's value!

For the rear 6x9 enclosures, I got the idea from Pintopower. He did this box design for his 77 wagon a few years back and I really liked how it is removable, yet has some style to it and simple to assemble. While mine varies in design a bit to accommodate the subwoofer box and the finish on mine is stained and lacquered, the concept is the same. You can see Pintopower's thread here:

http://www.fordpinto.com/your-project/wagon-speaker-box/msg127267/?topicseen#new


All of my speaker, remote gain, and amp remote power wires are routed under the driver's door edge, and the amp's 8 gauge power wire is routed under the passenger side door edge, with a 40 or 50 amp (I cannot remember at the moment) AGU fuse in a water tight fuse holder located on the outside of the firewall above the blower motor hole.

The amp is secured to the back of the subwoofer box to make things more "portable" if I need the cargo space. Nothing special here, a "Walmart Special" amp, manufactured by BOSS Audio, rated at 600W but an actual RMS rating of 150W (half of what my 78's Rockford Fosgate is).

The sub is also nothing special, but 2" more cone surface than my 78's sub (also a Sony Xplode), which is a Sony Xplode XS-GTX100LW 10" Subwoofer. The box needs some matting in it, as it sounds a little odd and empty right now. Maybe later down the road when I "care" about it. :P

On to the pictures!

1) The deck (fits nice, black matches the 2-tone interior, don't like the red lighting though)

2) Passenger side kick panel speaker

3) Driver side kick panel speaker

4) Amp remote gain adjustment knob
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

Brownie got her shift bezel restored with a new seal! :D


1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

bbobcat75

did that to my 78 wagon 2.3 and wow what a diff.
i cant wait till i get the 79 turbo set up on it, it wont be a rocket ship but more fun to drive on the street and to local car shows and cruises
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dave1987

Thanks you guys! You are keeping the modivation alive!

I think I figured it out! I swapped the primary and secondary jets so the larger is on the primary now. I also switched the idle jets for the same setup. Took it for a test drive and the get up and go is there now and it isn't sputtering at idle now. i havent yet adjusted the fuel air or the distributed to match up perfect but I think it is cured!

While I had the carb apart I blew everything out and did get a bit of stuff out of the primary tube and top jet, which also may have been at fault.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

bbobcat75

man that is one clean cool set up!!!

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RSM

Hey that's looking really nice there Dave  8)

dave1987

Last thing I had to do before reassembling was to secure the carburetor studs. When I first got the car the carb was secured with the nut like it should be, but it had another nut on top of it to lock eachother in place because the mounting studs would unscrew from the intake when removing the carb. I used some high strength thread locker on the threads and tightened them into the intake. So far so good!

I waited about a week to take these pictures of the motor fully reassembled with everything in place, because I wanted to replace the sticker on the valve cleaner with a repro one. I think it looks great! :D

1) Carburetor studs in place

2) Sticker difference between the old one (top) and new repop one (bottom)

3) Everything in place and motor running

4) Air cleaner assembly, and new again! :D
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

Next up was to put the head on and install the thermostat, time the motor and put the belt on, install the intake and exhaust manifolds, and put the valve cover and timing covers back on.

1) Head installed.

2) Timing belt and thermostat in place.

3) Manifolds on!

4) Valve and timing cover on. Shiney is GOOD! :D
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

5) And the charcoal canister......

6) Then the steering rack went into place, so I could drop the car off the stands and work on reassembling the motor from a more comfortable height.

With the car back on the ground I could start to reassemble the front of the motor and really start putting her back together again!

1) Head gasket and distributor in place

2) Original FoMoCo water pump back in place (still running strong!)
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

Once that was done I could start putting the oil pan on, and then finally drop the car to the ground again. For future reference, be sure that if you complete motor work with the block still in the car, and do what I did by removing the steering rack to gain clearance to remove the pan past the crank, be sure that you put the steering rack at the same time as the oil pan. If not, you will have to pull the rack completely off the car and slide it into place from the driver side.

1) Here is the amount of clearance under the motor with the steering rack dropped.

2) Repainted oil pan in place! 8)

3) What you can see of it from above! 8)

4) I figured that while I was painting the rest of the blue stuff, I might as well do a repaint of the air cleaner too!
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

When the head was done and I could continue with the less time consuming and "easier" tasks, I moved back to the motor.

1) Four piece oil pan gasket for the 2.0. Cork gaskets for the sides and rubber for the front and rear. I use Permatex Ultra Black gasket maker sealant.

2) Crank seal/timing cover and the auxillary shaft seal cover with new seals in place.

3) I installed the timing/seal covers with a light coating of Permatex Ultra Black before sticking it to the block. These go on before the oil pan does.

4) Timing/seal covers in place.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

More shots of the head being assembled. I used Sta Lube engine assembly lube (with moly graphite) on all of the lobes, followers, and lifters.

5) Valves with springs in place.

6) Camshaft and lifters in place

7) Left side of head completely reassembled

8 ) Right side of head completely reassembled
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

Here are some pictures of the head work done. Sorry about the quality, they were taken using my phone, so not the greatest quality.

1) Valves (lapped) and springs with retainers on top stacked up. (keepers on the sides)

2) Followers, lifters, and keepers all clean.

3) Top of head cleaned up

4) Bottom of head cleaned up and valve seats lapped (were done with the valves)
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

I replaced the wires with a better set and put Autolite 45's in, which helped a little bit, but the sputtering is still there.

I double checked and reset the timing today and everything is spot on. Advancing the timing makes it worse and retarding the timing seems to help a bit.

I adjusted the fuel mixture to make it bit richer and raised the curb idle a bit, and it isn't anything excessive, and doesn't want to die when idling now, but I still know something is off somewhere.


A vacuum test measured out at 15 hg with a slightly shaky needle movement, which makes me think the valves might be running a bit loose.

I can't get a compression test yet, since my gauge hose is messed up and won't thread into the plug hole.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

I just got a set of premium plug wires from NAPA and the autolite 45s (copper core). If it doesn't help then I will double check the timing and valve clearances.

Will test compression and vacuum as well.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

We shall see. The project was fun, and kept me busy and thinking. If all else fails, I'll be getting ahold of Walt to see what he can do to help out with the spare 2.0 he's got. Hopefully it wasn't all waste.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

Pintosopher

Quote from: dave1987 on March 20, 2012, 01:15:59 PM
Started her up for the first time last night, drove her home. I did notice there is a misfire at idle though. Not to noticeable while driving but deffinitely there during idle. Not sure if it is the plugs or the wires.

I removed the pertronix and put the points on and it still didn't help the misfire. Advanced and retarted the timing, no effect. Adjusted the fuel/air ratio, nothing.

What else might it be? I don't seem to have any vacuum leaks.
Dave ,
First, check plug wires while running in the dark, cross fire leaks between wires will be self evident.Change plugs , Put vacuum gauge on Intake maifold port , should be a steady 11-17 Hg of vacuum. wild swings indicate tight intake valves or possibly intakes not seating.( Not Good) Any carb adjustment that has no effect is either Mechanical, Leaks in critical areas of combustion cycle, or electrical in nature. Finally.. Leakdown tests & Compression tests.
Good hunting.. Hope the block surface was square and true, or this was a big effort yet to be repeated.
Pintosopher
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

Check my Pinto Poems out...

dave1987

Started her up for the first time last night, drove her home. I did notice there is a misfire at idle though. Not to noticeable while driving but deffinitely there during idle. Not sure if it is the plugs or the wires.

I removed the pertronix and put the points on and it still didn't help the misfire. Advanced and retarted the timing, no effect. Adjusted the fuel/air ratio, nothing.

What else might it be? I don't seem to have any vacuum leaks.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

r4pinto

Nice work Dave! That is one sharp car & gets even better every time.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

dave1987

I ordered a pertronix ignitor kit (1847V) off ebay that should arrive by the middle of next week. I will install it after I start the car and drive it around after the rebuild. I know the points system and I just want to ensure that everything goes well with the initial start up so the new rings seat properly.

Tomorrow I will be finishing cleaning the head, installing the oil pan, crank timing cover, fuel pump shaft seal, and whatever else I can get done before putting the head on. Waiting for another set of valve stem seals to come in on Tuesday and the head will go on.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

The water pump doesn't leak but I can't get a new gasket by itself, only with the purchase of a new pump. So I ended up getting a sheet of grey felpro gasket material and cut one out.

While it didn't cause any problems, it was quite an annoyance. The oil dipstick tube would come out the block whenever I would check the oil, so I used some quick setting JB Weld to keep it in place.

The distributor, like the rest of the motor was coated in oil and crud, so I cleaned it up and put a new o-ring on it. Hopefully it stays sealed up well.

Instead of raising the motor onto the mounting bolts during disassembly, I dropped the steering rack, which also made removing the starter easy, and gives more than enough clearance to work under the motor. Since I had the rack straps off, I cleaned those up as well, they look good as new! They needed A LOT of cleaning, as I couldn't tell there were any securing bolts before scraping off the inch of crud off the cross member


1) Hand cut water pump gasket

2) Oil dip stick tube secured. Correct angle?

3) Cleaned distributor

4) Steering rack mounting straps cleaned

1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!