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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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Bipper

Going back to the original post I think there will always be car collectors in the future even for our Pintos and Bobcats. They might not be in the numbers that they currently are but they will be there. As for who would restore an 80's or 90's car if you wait 20-50 years you will see. Some of them will be restored. History is interesting. My dad is 90 years old. He has told me in the depression people would literally leave a car in a vacant lot and walk away because they couldn't afford it, similar to people walking away from a house they can't afford today. There was everything from Cadillacs to Model T's and everything in between. They were everywhere in LA and Glendale where he grew up. In 1940 people had the same attitude, why would anyone want a car from the 20's or 30's. They are of no value and never will be. They're just junk. With the passage of time that attitude changed. And where did all those abandoned vehicles go? By 1943 they had all been picked up and used for the war effort as scrap metal.
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Pintosopher

Quote from: joebob on April 16, 2012, 10:27:36 AM
Forgive me, did I imply anyone was wrong to like what they like? I did not state that there is no room here for diversity? I just pointed out two things.  1.There is a difference be vintage and hot rod  2. It seems that the next generation is not interested in vintage cars.  I do not know why that is offensive. Please tell me what was offensive, so I do not repeat the mistake.

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Bill
Bill,
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JoeBob

Forgive me, did I imply anyone was wrong to like what they like? I did not state that there is no room here for diversity? I just pointed out two things.  1.There is a difference be vintage and hot rod  2. It seems that the next generation is not interested in vintage cars.  I do not know why that is offensive. Please tell me what was offensive, so I do not repeat the mistake.

Respectfully
Bill
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Pintosopher

Quote from: joebob on April 15, 2012, 04:53:29 PM
With out a doubt, the most popular car at any show I have been at, has been mine. This is not bragging. There is nothing special about my restoration. I have a good looking, all original car with upgraded wheels. It is not really a show grade car, just nice. It is the most popular because of what it is.
    There are certain observations that can be made about the spectators. I am sure you have noticed this too. Nobody under 35 even slows down to look at the car. People 35-45 want to know what is under the hood. People over 50 seldom ask about the engine at all, but will talk a long time about the car. The older generation is first interested in the cars of their youth, but also love style and design of the cars that predate them.
    I may be wrong, but the conclusion I draw is this. To the younger generation, if it is not one of four of five famous classics they are not interested. The car is only something that holds the power plant. Any body and frame will do. It is all about the technology. A great paint job or other modification will always draw some interest. It seams to me that the only relevance the word "vintage" will have to the hobby in the future will be this. Does it make sense to buy a new car, take out perfect working equipment, to put in better equipment? It would be cheaper a vintage car.
Bill ,
I believe that the Perception that classic cars, as Museum pieces, will never survive the passing of the Generations, is flawed. These trends flow like the tides, and trying to stereotype a generation and a "gap " between such is not a sound , objective outlook. Everyone is entitled to their Fears and Zeal, however out of touch with reality and human nature. The Club exists for all types of Enthusiasts, Stock , Concours, Unrestored, Restored, Resto mod and Even us Vintage racer types. Flapping our Gums ( or beating our keyboards) about our preferences and using fear will serve no purpose.  You have a car that you are happy with, as do many in this club. The type of audience at a show and the attention you can garner is irrelevant. The shows exists, the cars exist, let the chips fall where they may.. Otherwise, this is all just strutting around being overly judgemental..
With all due respect.. This is supposed to be Fun!
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Check my Pinto Poems out...

dave1987

It scares me to think of these topics. I plan to hand my pintos down to my daughter and knowing she may not be able to maintain them due to the lack of parts availability is unsettling. I want my dauhter to enjoy driving my pintos as much as I have been able to. Of coarse, all of this depends on what she likes when she grows up and i can only influence her aspect of driving and car preferances.
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blupinto

Bill, I'm with you. I've always favored the original stock cars, as these are the lil' ponies I remember fondly from my childhood. It thrills me to see an as-original old car. I'm not saying I'm a hater of hot-rodded cars, but I do think the old work-horses are getting rarer and rarer because some people don't like the "boring, slow, putt-puttering" stock Pinto. At the last couple Fabulouus Fords shows I didn't see a ONE stock Maverick, and I think they were ALL two-door models. It bummed me out. AS for seeing wooden spokes on a Model T, yes I have (not sure if they were Model Ts but they were that era Fords) I saw at least a couple at Fab Fords the last couple years and a BEAUTIFULLY restored one at the Green Valley Lakes show that had all kinds of wooden components. They're rare, but they do exist.

I disagree that it was a stupid article. It brings a valid point that the everyday cars we saw back in the day are disappearing as we know it and being turned into a sort of hybrid (not to be confused with the greenie's modern hybrid vehicles). The hybrids I speak of have a Pinto body... and little else Pinto.  I suppose I would be called a purist or even some nasty names for me saying that, but that's my story and I'm sticking to it! ;D
One can never have too many Pintos!

JoeBob

With out a doubt, the most popular car at any show I have been at, has been mine. This is not bragging. There is nothing special about my restoration. I have a good looking, all original car with upgraded wheels. It is not really a show grade car, just nice. It is the most popular because of what it is.
    There are certain observations that can be made about the spectators. I am sure you have noticed this too. Nobody under 35 even slows down to look at the car. People 35-45 want to know what is under the hood. People over 50 seldom ask about the engine at all, but will talk a long time about the car. The older generation is first interested in the cars of their youth, but also love style and design of the cars that predate them.
    I may be wrong, but the conclusion I draw is this. To the younger generation, if it is not one of four of five famous classics they are not interested. The car is only something that holds the power plant. Any body and frame will do. It is all about the technology. A great paint job or other modification will always draw some interest. It seams to me that the only relevance the word "vintage" will have to the hobby in the future will be this. Does it make sense to buy a new car, take out perfect working equipment, to put in better equipment? It would be cheaper a vintage car.
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Pintosopher

Quote from: joebob on April 14, 2012, 09:09:46 PM
So I was at the doctors office and I see a magazine article with a title something like "owning the colector car of your dreams."  So I pick it up. It is in the AARP mag. First it says that vintage car prices are at an all time high. It says car collectors are silver haired people with plenty of disposable income. Therefore the high prices. Next is says that car collecting is ending soon. Collectors are reliving their past. There will be no next generation of collectors. After all, who would want to restore an 80s celica or any other 80s or 90s car. The cars we love mean nothing to this new generation.
   I started a thread here once " Who is going to love my bobcat when I am gone" I think it is a good question. Today our cars get the most attention at any car show we attend. But in 20 years people will say "what the hell is a pinto? I don't know, who cares."
Our cars will die with us.
Bill
Bill ,
I challenge you to Rethink your position on the future of car collecting, The AARP is no longer an objective publication or organization for free thinking individuals. We have an issue with a radicalized EPA and government intrusion into classic car hobbies. I would ask you to read the SEMA SAN literature online before you proclaim classic car hobbies dead in the near future..
Respectfully.. Pintosopher,
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

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OhSix9

I don't think i missed your point or that of the articles at all.  I Have never really separated hot rodding from restoration in the whole old car hobby.   There are really only two classes of cars.  conquers correct down to the grease pen mark 100 pointers and then there are the rest. .  I will also state that the article itself is nonsensical and stupid.

On classic cars.  really when was the last time you saw a model t on wooden spokes, a deuce that wasn't chopped and channeled or a nash metro with the factory 4 banger in it.

No one will remember my pinto in 20 years because it has a now current twin turbo or maybe a battery pack and flux capacitor under the hood for motivation... this is the basis of your classic cars vs hot rod mentality.   doesn't make sense.

Things follow a cycle.  for a long time a period correct model T or 32 with all the black paint and brass trimmings where the high dollar collectible car.  At a point the market changed . interest in these cars died out.  the people who drove their prices where no longer around to support them, as with any commodity when supply outstrips demand  the price drops and an interested party will get a good deal.   Lots of these worthless restorations became the rods of the next generation. and they actually recycled some of the original parts back into the system allowing the remaining super original examples to continue to live a little longer. 

There are only so many NOS parts on the planet so at some point the supplies of usable spares dwindles to the point where it becomes impractical to try and maintain an original piece while still using it for its intended purpose. Old stuff gets rarer every day, Prime examples have value for being just that and are relegated to display purposes only to preserve that value. the rest , reproduction parts when available or clever "upgrades" to modern components that keep them viable in lieu of what was original.

80's stuff is starting to be restored. it is definitely a more daunting task with the given added complexity of modern vehicles and the associated black boxes.  it is these items that make maintaining or rebuilding these cars more expensive and there are more things that can signal the death blow. unobtainium integrated circuits are the hardest part about these cars.     combine this with the fact that you just don't find the farmers fields full of 20 year old cars anymore since the advent of modern recycling cash for clunkers,  immediately funneling many many restorable and rare editions directly to the crusher  etc etc etc   .  Will people restore and maintain the remaining prime examples...  always.

so after making my head hurt trying to figure out your original position here is the best answer.  NO the hobby is not dying. Some dipsh1t author for a crappy magazine needed to fill a page and a half of rag to make a deadline.  Our cars are as relevant to the next generation as a 55 chevy is to mine or a deuce to my dad.   In the same way that the restored 85 supra mk II my friend is working on will be to her kids who are a couple years old right now.

Modest beginnings start with the single blow of a horn man..    Now when you get through with this thing every dickhead in the world is gonna wanna own it.   Do you know anything at all about the internal combustion engine?

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Pintosopher

Hello all ,
All perspectives being valid here.. The curve ball I will pitch for you all is this: Noone lives forever, perspectives can be passed on to generations. Think of your possession as you would a Museum Curator, You won't own it forever, but you might be a  good steward of it's existence. Modified or stock, makes no difference, The future of Classic cars is in your hands today, Get going , stop the forces that would erase the heritage you are trying to preserve..  There are no modern day Picassos, but someday there could be.
You are in it now , Be the "ball" Danny!
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JoeBob

069 you missed the point of my post. I am talking about classic cars not hot rods. We have always had hot rods from the beginning of time and always will. The guy who added a second horse to his chariot had the first hot rod. The guy doubled his horse power, that's a hot rod. The space shuttle is just a hot rod to the stars. But the classic car is one that people enjoy for it's classic looks and original function.
     You dream of a new power plant in your old car. The t-bucket is the modern version of what you are talking about. Some of the old with some of the new. You imagine that kind of thing with your pinto. You imagine it with a pinto because you are part of this generation. In the year 2535 people will still be building hot rods, mustangs and corvettes will be remembered and used. I agree with the article I read, the classic cars we love will be lost in time. Almost no one will be building hot rods out of pintos, mavericks, or el caminos, they wont even know what they were.
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FlyerPinto

I have to say there is some truth in what both of you say. While the big buck collectors tend to be silver haired with disposable income, that is the nature of the beast. When you're twenty five, disposable income, what little you have of it, is directed towards lots of other pursuits, from women to stereos to rent to women to clothes and to women. And don't forget women. The idea of disposable income is hard when you're young and just starting out as your income is lower in the first place as you're just starting out. There is a place over in Springfield, Ohio called Mershons. It is about forty minutes from my house, and they have very cool stuff. Old Vettes, Ferrari's, Mustangs, Cobras, everything hi-po and ready to roll. The dealership is a neat place, but for under fifty grand you should go down the street and buy a Honda Accord. Six figure cars there are the norm. Who can afford that anyway?


Young collectors have to modify or restore what they can afford to buy and repair. Our cars will still have a following, I believe, because they are an iconic nameplate, whether good or bad in the mind of the general public. For those who don't know what a Pinto is, that's cool. Let's show them by getting out to events with our cars and showing the flag, so to speak. I go to a lot of auctions for cars, parts, tools and the like. I see a lot of cars that no one seemed to have any interest in while the person had it cross the auction block, and they always generate interest from the crowd. The latest issue of Pinto Times shows a beauty of a Pinto that sold at auction just a little while ago and there were several bidders. The car was beautiful, and I would have just about killed to bring it home, but I wasn't shopping for a car and my wife would have killed me. People will find the cars they want and that Pinto was wanted by more than a couple of people. They will pass that interest on to someone else, just like the car, and I'll think we'll be ok.


I also like the idea of putting a more modern power plant, or at least some of the components, into one of my cars. It would be fun, and a Stealth Pinto would be pretty cool. Lots of power, no outward sign of it at all, and a big surprise for some import toy.


I have to say that folks seem to be drawn to my Pinto when I take it out. People like them, and people remember them. When the time comes that I can't keep them, for whatever reason, I know where to go to find someone who will care for them in much the same fashion as what I have.
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dga57

Well said, OhSix9!  By the way, I have an Ecoboost V-6 in my 2012 Lincoln MKT and it is an absolutely awesome powerplant! 

Dwayne :)
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OhSix9

Times change, the economics of things say that we will all be riding ultraefficient boring peoplemovers on a day to day basis. energy costs will ensure that sucking back 15 mpg is a luxury and you will need the bankroll to handle that far beyond the cost of the equipment.  As far as it being an old mans sport this has always been the way of the hobby.  Real steel deuces and vickies have been turned into megabuck collectibles for a long time, then the attention turned to the shoebox chevys and followed to the musclecars.

The common folk among us build the lesser stuff to add variety to the hobby.  Think about this.  20 years ago when we where firing up the gas axe and slicing out every pinto front clip that came into our possession to build hot rods did anyone ever think our little pintos would ever be collectible or fashionable.   Humans have a thing with nostalgia. Think about the efforts and hours people have put into the most unusual restoration projects of all kinds that will never provide return on investment.    moving forward there are some really neat things happening.  people are finding and building less mainstream stuff.  (some of the old japanese rwd imports are neat as He hockey sticks if you can find them not rotten) some 80's and 90's stuff is collectible or getting there. Gn's and monties, 5.0's the last 2 generations of supras are still stone cold killers.   the hotrods are going through a generation change. i know lots of what i would consider younger hotrodders in the say 20 35 year old crowd that have some disposable income getting their hands on the stuff and redoing them to taste.    Kit cars are better than ever letting us afford to build some of the really rare stuff. Dynacorn builds new 60's mustangs and camaros every day. FFR and others make cobras and deuces...   My next project without a doubt is gonna be a FFR type 65 coupe.

The other thing i see changing involves dropping modern drive lines into the old steel. we are seeing a quantum shift in efficiency of the old fashion internal combustion engine.  Direct injection, turbos and electronics are finally showing their potential now that the heat is on re. cafe standards. In regards to the coupe I have a total Woodie over the idea of bolting in a new ecoboost v6 mated to a 6 speed. think 5 years to the future when we are loading 2 liter turbos making 275 and getting 40mpg on 87 octane into the pinto.   that is where the future is.  the hobby is fairly strong and some people still like to get their hands dirty. Modern techniques allow us to make small production runs of parts for decent money making it possible to salvage some of the less mainstream stuff. As long as their are cars there will be people who remember the ones they had as kids, or always wanted....

Speaking of which...  the sexiest thing ever powered by Ford

http://www.factoryfive.com/kits/type-65-coupe/   

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Modest beginnings start with the single blow of a horn man..    Now when you get through with this thing every dickhead in the world is gonna wanna own it.   Do you know anything at all about the internal combustion engine?

Virgil to Sid

JoeBob

So I was at the doctors office and I see a magazine article with a title something like "owning the colector car of your dreams."  So I pick it up. It is in the AARP mag. First it says that vintage car prices are at an all time high. It says car collectors are silver haired people with plenty of disposable income. Therefore the high prices. Next is says that car collecting is ending soon. Collectors are reliving their past. There will be no next generation of collectors. After all, who would want to restore an 80s celica or any other 80s or 90s car. The cars we love mean nothing to this new generation.
   I started a thread here once " Who is going to love my bobcat when I am gone" I think it is a good question. Today our cars get the most attention at any car show we attend. But in 20 years people will say "what the hell is a pinto? I don't know, who cares."
Our cars will die with us.
Bill
77 yellow Bobcat hatchback
Deuteronomy 7:9