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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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Pinto5.0

My attention getter in the early 80's was my '74 Duster with a pearl paint job & the name of the car "MOONAGE DAYDREAM" airbrushed down the quarters. It had a Super Stock suspension lifting it like a 4WD & a 660 HP detuned Super Stock engine with twin Dominators & no hood. It had a lopey idle at 1800 RPM & would bark out a 2 ft. patch of rubber at 7 MPH during an off idle 1-2 shift thanks to the SS Auto backing it up. I couldnt take that car anywhere without drawing a crowd. I MISS THAT.....LOL

PS: I still have it & hope to return it to the street one day as a Pro Street Demon. Im kicking around the idea of running a Dodge Cummins Turbo Diesel (650 HP 1000 LB.FT) & auto trans if I can reason out a front suspension to clear it all.
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

r4pinto

The only time my Pinto didn't get many looks was when I took her to Carlisle in 2006. That car was a total mess that year. Rust everywhere, messy interior, trashed engine bay.. Nothing nice to it lol. Now that is definitely different than how the car is now. Right now she is a different color, interior 3/4 way messy, engine bay looking decent... I just really need to get her finished for Carlisle 2011.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

78squirewagon

I was driving home from a cruise night on Wednesday when I heard a horn honking. It was a couple with a young lady hanging out of the passenger side window taking a picture of my wagon. Mind you we were doing 60 mph at the time. I just had to wave and keep going LOL!!!
1978 Squire wagon,red, 69000 and counting original miles

1978 Hatchback, red (built four days after  the Squire)

dholvrsn

The car from Wayne's World was a Pacer, which has been sometimes called a "Pregnant Pinto".
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69GT

       Both my Fords get attention but the Maverick often gets weird attention. Mostly in the form of "That's F#$@ing cool man.....What is it?" type remarks or the more frustrating "Dude that's an awesome Camaro" or Nova, or (yes I heard this) Pinto.

    My Pinto however is always recognized as a Pinto. Although one drunk guy swore it was the car from Waynes World.  :rolleye:

hellfirejim

As some of you know mine is still under construction.  At the last car show my Pinto attracted more attention than the $150,000 hot rod across from me.  While that was cool, the most important part was that all the people had smiles and a story.  fun day.
It's a good day to be alive!
PCCA Pinto Number #385


dga57

Quote from: Pinto1600 on July 19, 2010, 02:19:39 PM
How cool is it....
To own a Pinto?
Yesterday I took the yellow '71 to Dunkin' D's for the weekly cruise. Parked next to me was a killer Chevy hotrod(and you know who you are),he told me that more people stopped to look at the Pinto than at his car. We talked about how you've got to have something really differant to stand out in a crowd. Made me feel pretty good! And then on the way to Mighty Taco on Niagara Falls Blvd with Crankyhick,just past the 290 underpass on Twin Cities Highway a VERY nice lady shouted out her window asking me what year the Pinto was. I told her it was a '71,and she told me that she loved the car and she thought it was really cute! Oh please stop my beating heart,how really cool was that????? Just goes to show you....you don't need flashy paint,tons o' bling or a killer motor.

That's for sure!  My Pinto has an ugly old brown repaint, a dent in the hood, and rusty quarter panels and I still got more attention driving it down the Interstate to bring it home than with any other car I've owned... and that includes some very nice vintage Lincolns and a Rolls-Royce!!!

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

Pinto1600

How cool is it....
To own a Pinto?
Yesterday I took the yellow '71 to Dunkin' D's for the weekly cruise. Parked next to me was a killer Chevy hotrod(and you know who you are),he told me that more people stopped to look at the Pinto than at his car. We talked about how you've got to have something really differant to stand out in a crowd. Made me feel pretty good! And then on the way to Mighty Taco on Niagara Falls Blvd with Crankyhick,just past the 290 underpass on Twin Cities Highway a VERY nice lady shouted out her window asking me what year the Pinto was. I told her it was a '71,and she told me that she loved the car and she thought it was really cute! Oh please stop my beating heart,how really cool was that????? Just goes to show you....you don't need flashy paint,tons o' bling or a killer motor. 
Happiness is..Driving a classic Pinto

popbumper

 When I bought my wagon two years ago it sat in the driveway for a while, before it went off to covered parking and restoration.

One morning, I found a note under the windshield wiper that read:

Want to sell? Fred....and a phone number.

I don't think is was "our" Fred, but you never know   :lol:.

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

Norman Bagi

Just last Saturday i took 2nd place at a Mustang Car show.  I should have gotten first, but I think the mustang guys were gealous of all the attention my car was getting. Not any other car had the crowd around it all day like mine had. And if you guys think that driving one Pinto gets alot of attention, it is going to be great when we are driving that caravan next year. I don't want to sound too pushy, but, man you are gonna miss it if you aint in it.
Stampede it baby!

lugnut

A couple of years ago I took my wife to Target in the '79 Cruising Wagon, and parked near Baskin-Robins. When we came back to the car, i found the note in the attached pic on a paper napkin under the wiper arm.  At first I thought they were being sarcastic, but now I believe they really thought the car is cool.
mike

beegle55

Oh and besides the Pinto's that I've seen and bought (all of them I've ever seen), I know of two other Pintos in the area... my uncles '80 Cruising Wagon (I convinced him to buy) and a later model that is highly optioned like my '76 that is dark green that I want to own because it is also a low mile, one owner. On the east coast as forementioned...they are scarce. Junkyards haven't seen one in 20 years. Spectators can't remember the last time they saw one. They will be valuable one day...as if they aren't priceless to us already!  :)

     -beegle55
2005 Jeep GC 5.7 HEMI
1993 Ford Mustang
1991 Ford Mustang GT
1988 Ford Mustang
1980 Ford Pinto Cruising- Mint, Fully documented
1979 Ford Pinto Trunk- 2.3L 4 speed
1978 Ford Pinto HB- 302 drag car
1976 Ford Pinto Runabout- 40,000 mi, V6
1972 Ford Maverick Grabber (real)
1970 Ford Mustang 302

beegle55

I watch people as I drive by and notice 98% of them turn their heads...not to mention the dozens that confront me about the car everytime I drive. Just imagine when I get the V8 drag car legal for the street.
....

Including the guy at Kroger's one time that told me that I should absolutely not drive that car because it belonged on the trailer at car shows. He hadn't seen one since the 70's, especially not in mint condition.
Others just recall their Pinto stories as almost everyone over 45 has one.

      -beegle55
2005 Jeep GC 5.7 HEMI
1993 Ford Mustang
1991 Ford Mustang GT
1988 Ford Mustang
1980 Ford Pinto Cruising- Mint, Fully documented
1979 Ford Pinto Trunk- 2.3L 4 speed
1978 Ford Pinto HB- 302 drag car
1976 Ford Pinto Runabout- 40,000 mi, V6
1972 Ford Maverick Grabber (real)
1970 Ford Mustang 302

Pintosopher

Quote from: beicholz on July 12, 2010, 02:32:02 PM
Yes...71pintoracer...isn't it interesting that this car gets more thumbs up than the $100,000 cars many folks drive?   I live near many movie stars and work in the film business, where many of my colleagues drive these cars.   A few of them think I've gone totally nuts, but most others totally get it.   

I predict that the interest will continue to grow in Pintos.


I do agree, My fondest driving memories during the "80"s (before I went race car only) were driving my sinister "dark Horse" around the Napa Valley while hunting German cars with witless drivers. Oh how the mirth would flow with a 4 wheel drift at 6500 rpm and the terrified look in the mirror of the German sedan about to get a close look at my grill.
Ahem , well my exploits were enough to get some complaints, and I was tired of a police cruiser or Airplane stalking my every move as I rolled out into the traffic. Sanity prevailed, and my luck didn't get to run out... I'm still here nearly 25 years later, but I've got the itch again, and there's no smog check to deal with on my '72. I've got the pieces... Stammpeede! :fastcar:

At least half of the people who stopped me have super-expensive cars.   The Pinto brings a smile to their faces.

Wait until I post my new Window Sticker (Marti Report....it's taking FOREVER).

By the way, it's not common knowledge that there was a recall to reduce (but not eliminate) the chance of a Pinto rear-end explosion.   All of us should help publicize this to help increase the interest in and values of our cars.   No one I've talked to outside this club knows that many of our Pintos were modified to be safer.
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

Check my Pinto Poems out...

beicholz

Yes...71pintoracer...isn't it interesting that this car gets more thumbs up than the $100,000 cars many folks drive?   I live near many movie stars and work in the film business, where many of my colleagues drive these cars.   A few of them think I've gone totally nuts, but most others totally get it.   

I predict that the interest will continue to grow in Pintos.

At least half of the people who stopped me have super-expensive cars.   The Pinto brings a smile to their faces.

Wait until I post my new Window Sticker (Marti Report....it's taking FOREVER).

By the way, it's not common knowledge that there was a recall to reduce (but not eliminate) the chance of a Pinto rear-end explosion.   All of us should help publicize this to help increase the interest in and values of our cars.   No one I've talked to outside this club knows that many of our Pintos were modified to be safer.
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1972 VW Karmann Ghia Convert. (Red/Black), 2K Miles on restoration, One Owner
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dga57

Much as I love them, they make REALLY lousy snow cars!

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

blupinto

In the past 10 years I've seen no less than 7 running Pintos (excluding mine and the ones at FabFords. I think it's on account of the nostalgia factor. Perhaps Midwesterners aren't as fond of them... :look: ::) ;D
One can never have too many Pintos!

dga57

Quote from: dholvrsn on July 11, 2010, 08:50:26 PM
Mine only gets a modest amount of attention in Omaha and parts north. Maybe all that attention is a West Coast thing.

I'm on the east coast and get the same reaction.  It probably has to do with how many Pintos are in your area.  Here there are nearly none.  Other than 71pintoracer, I have spotted one running/driving Pinto on the road in the past ten years, and that was 50 miles from home!  They are pretty rare in this part of the country, and therefore garner lots of attention, regardless of their condition.

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

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Mine only gets a modest amount of attention in Omaha and parts north. Maybe all that attention is a West Coast thing.
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dga57

Quote from: OhSix9 on July 11, 2010, 03:18:49 PM
The short answer would be "NO" LOL

I have a collection of many eclectic  vehicles. The '69 while very cool in its own right can't hold a candle to this thing. lots of people stop and admire that one and i get a ton of thumbs up while rollin it. however it seems to be intimidating. I think people have a bit of a stereotype going as to the attitude of "muscle car owners"

The '65 falcon 4 slammer i have gets reaction similar to the pinto. it's a cute and friendly looking little machine that always gets a lot of "my grandma used to have one just like it" people to stop and chat with you.

The pinto...   Well yesterday was her maiden voyage. We took a short jaunt into town for some more parts, a tank of fuel and a wheel alignment.  Total attention magnet.  Heads on swivels in passing cars. everywhere I stopped by the time i got it parked someone was standing there to comment on it or ask wow it was.  When i stopped at the local auto supply these two kids in their teens came running over quite excitedly and proclaiming "that thing is totally cool...... " there was a brief pause and then one asks "Is it a pinto?"...  From out behind a pickup pops a gentleman about 10 years older than myself who says "yup it is. Us old timers don't have to ask that question. But i have never seen one like this before." While i was off in the subway having lunch she gathered a group of about 5 and got her picture taken.

The only negative on the day was the whiners at the local tire shop who wouldn't do the alignment cause the suspension isn't stock. Oh well. just gotta wait till monday and take it to my guy in the city.  serious old timer who knows his stuff. He set up the '69 and its 4 bar and coil over and never even batted an eye. these clowns yesterday saw camber caster adjustment and got all weepy cause it wasn't gonna be a 5 minute toe and go job. tried to tell me that their equipment couldn't handle the job.  I smiled.... calmly explained that i could put an alignment in the car with 2 pieces of string a tape measure a square and an iPhone and the only equipment in the place that could not handle the job was their technician. Made it clear they would never see my business again and left.

So as for a maiden voyage. All in all A smashing success

OhSix'

Sounds  like a day well spent!!!

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

OhSix9

The short answer would be "NO" LOL

I have a collection of many eclectic  vehicles. The '69 while very cool in its own right can't hold a candle to this thing. lots of people stop and admire that one and i get a ton of thumbs up while rollin it. however it seems to be intimidating. I think people have a bit of a stereotype going as to the attitude of "muscle car owners"

The '65 falcon 4 slammer i have gets reaction similar to the pinto. it's a cute and friendly looking little machine that always gets a lot of "my grandma used to have one just like it" people to stop and chat with you.

The pinto...   Well yesterday was her maiden voyage. We took a short jaunt into town for some more parts, a tank of fuel and a wheel alignment.  Total attention magnet.  Heads on swivels in passing cars. everywhere I stopped by the time i got it parked someone was standing there to comment on it or ask wow it was.  When i stopped at the local auto supply these two kids in their teens came running over quite excitedly and proclaiming "that thing is totally cool...... " there was a brief pause and then one asks "Is it a pinto?"...  From out behind a pickup pops a gentleman about 10 years older than myself who says "yup it is. Us old timers don't have to ask that question. But i have never seen one like this before." While i was off in the subway having lunch she gathered a group of about 5 and got her picture taken.

The only negative on the day was the whiners at the local tire shop who wouldn't do the alignment cause the suspension isn't stock. Oh well. just gotta wait till monday and take it to my guy in the city.  serious old timer who knows his stuff. He set up the '69 and its 4 bar and coil over and never even batted an eye. these clowns yesterday saw camber caster adjustment and got all weepy cause it wasn't gonna be a 5 minute toe and go job. tried to tell me that their equipment couldn't handle the job.  I smiled.... calmly explained that i could put an alignment in the car with 2 pieces of string a tape measure a square and an iPhone and the only equipment in the place that could not handle the job was their technician. Made it clear they would never see my business again and left.

So as for a maiden voyage. All in all A smashing success

OhSix'
Modest beginnings start with the single blow of a horn man..    Now when you get through with this thing every dickhead in the world is gonna wanna own it.   Do you know anything at all about the internal combustion engine?

Virgil to Sid

blupinto

I've always loved Pintos and I know several of us do too. That's why I said ALMOST everyone.  My parents hated them, particularily Mom because the '75 wagon she had to drive while her crappy Renault LeCar was crapped out stalled in an intersection on the way home from picking us kids up from jr. high. I think we had to be pushed to the other side but that sealed the Pinto's fate as far as she was concerned. Some of the kids I grew up with didn't care for them and would say nasty things about them. I guess it depends on the people around you where you get the "hate Pintos" perspective. That's just my perspective. ;D
One can never have too many Pintos!

dga57

Quote from: blupinto on July 10, 2010, 06:16:25 PM
lol I have to share this! I went to Ocean Beach (Fred Morgan knows where this is! Brad probably does too!) to do some antique store shopping. I had arrived early, and if you know OB it's a very laid-back beach neighborhood. While I was standing in front of the largest antique store on Newport Avenue I noticed a woman who runs a pet store taking pictures of Ruby, who was parked in front of the woman's store across the street. She was getting different angles but she must've sensed me being amused because she looked across the way and called out, "is that your Pinto?" When I answered in the affirmative she went on to tell me her first car was a Pinto and she got it when she was 18. People just love these little cars now! Remember when everybody (well, ALMOST everybody! lol) hated them!?

I was sixteen when I got my first one!  Some of my friends had more expensive cars (Toyota Celica, Corvette) or a cooler car ('55 Bel Aire), but I don't think any of them actually hated my Pinto!  We spent many a happy, carefree day cruising around in our machines and my Pinto was always just as jampacked full of teenagers as any of the other cars!  I loved my Pinto!

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

blupinto

lol I have to share this! I went to Ocean Beach (Fred Morgan knows where this is! Brad probably does too!) to do some antique store shopping. I had arrived early, and if you know OB it's a very laid-back beach neighborhood. While I was standing in front of the largest antique store on Newport Avenue I noticed a woman who runs a pet store taking pictures of Ruby, who was parked in front of the woman's store across the street. She was getting different angles but she must've sensed me being amused because she looked across the way and called out, "is that your Pinto?" When I answered in the affirmative she went on to tell me her first car was a Pinto and she got it when she was 18. People just love these little cars now! Remember when everybody (well, ALMOST everybody! lol) hated them!?
One can never have too many Pintos!

dga57

Quote from: 71pintoracer on July 10, 2010, 12:43:23 PM
At my job I drive a lot of different kinds of cool cars, Cobra Mustangs, Roush Mustangs, Lincolns, supercharged Harley Davidson trucks, King Ranch trucks and just this week a '69 MachI Mustang. No one bats an eye. But EVERY time I drive my Pinto, people wave, look, give thumbs up, take pictures, ect. Whenever I stop for gas or run in a store someone comments. Many times when I've come out of walmart or lowes or someplace like that there will be people standing around it! ;D
I have to agree with you!  I've driven Lincolns, Cadillacs, Jaguars... even a Rolls Royce, and the most attention I have ever received driving ANYTHING was when I drove my Pinto home from Hagerstown MD on I-81!  People honked and waved and gave me the "thumbs up" all the way, in spite of my dented hood, rusty quarters, and fugly brown paint!   

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

Bigtimmay

im still  betting that my bobcats not gunna get the attention my 85 chevy 4X4 got but it was sittin on 40 inch tires and would roll all 4 of them and the exhaust was just god afful loud and it was full exhaust.
1978 Mercury Bobcat 2.3t swapped.Always needs more parts!

71pintoracer

Quote from: beicholz on July 10, 2010, 09:40:03 AM
Yesterday, I did my usual shopping chores in my Runabout in Hollywood, CA.   


The neat thing is, with you living in Hollywood, I would think there are all kinds of high-end sports cars and such, but what gets attention? A Pinto!! ;D Hey, you're stealing all the thunder!  :lol:
If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?

71pintoracer

At my job I drive a lot of different kinds of cool cars, Cobra Mustangs, Roush Mustangs, Lincolns, supercharged Harley Davidson trucks, King Ranch trucks and just this week a '69 MachI Mustang. No one bats an eye. But EVERY time I drive my Pinto, people wave, look, give thumbs up, take pictures, ect. Whenever I stop for gas or run in a store someone comments. Many times when I've come out of walmart or lowes or someplace like that there will be people standing around it! ;D
If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?

RSM

I always get looks and thumbs up when I haul my car to the drag strip. I always have at least one or two people come over and talk to me about it...and a lot of looks and smiles when they see whats under the hood.  :fastcar: