Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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apintonut

Quote from: electrabishi on June 19, 2009, 04:18:25 AM
I got in late on this so hopefully there is still some life in it. 
I didn't read through all 8 pages of posts but did anyone mention the whole car.
With all the technology Ford has now couldn't they just re-produce the Pinto with all the safety features they ignored in the 70's ?  Everyone is doing retro anyway, why not a 2010 Pinto ;-)


some one plz take a pick of a pinto wagon parked next to a early focus wagon
i parked my old 73 wagon next to a focus wagon when they first came out and was amazed how close the body lines where to each others
74 hatch soon to be turbo 2.3
73 sedan soon to be painted
stiletto parts(4 sale)
79 pinto wagon & beentoad
wtb 75 yellow w/ black int. (rally?) like profile pic.

lowerla

I may have the poly lower steering rag joint nos ford for power steering cars.Phil
pschmidt65@prodigy.net
i saw new gas tanks on e-bay #270611457944

dardave

My list would be :

1) Grilles
2) Dash Pads
3) Bumpers
4) Seat upolstry kits
5) Fender apron sheet metal (under the battery)
6) Gas tanks and related parts
7) Horse shift knobs
8) Hoods
9) Fenders
10) Doors

77pintocw

Hey GFPRACING:

Here is the rag joint that I used on my '77 CW.  Got it at O'Reilly Autos.

http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/detail/DOR3/31002.oap?pt=N0254&ppt=C0203

77pintocw
1977, Pinto Cruising Wagon, White with Blue Graphics

GFPRACING

WERE CAN I FIND A RAG GEAR FOR 1977 PINTO POWER STEERING

Pintopowers

Intake manifolds for 2.3 engines with thicker water jacket walls that dont rot through as easily as the originals?

RSM

Seems like everyone covered all the bases on parts. The one thing that I need is the rubber moulding that goes between the front bumper and the bottom part of the headlights/grille for a 1980 wagon. I guess I'm fortunate to have a car that in very good condition.

blupinto

While I'm at it, when the Escort ZX2 first came out in '97 I thought, " that's what the Pinto would look like if they reintroduced it". I would've loved the filly emblem emblazoned on the car...
One can never have too many Pintos!

blupinto

That'd be the one all-new car I'd purchase! Alas, I think the name "Pinto" is still linked with "fiery death" to some people and the name alone would make the car guilty-by-association. Stephen King didn't help matters at all with the book and movie Cujo. For that matter, I don't think those media did St. Bernards any favors either.  >:(
One can never have too many Pintos!

electrabishi

I got in late on this so hopefully there is still some life in it. 
I didn't read through all 8 pages of posts but did anyone mention the whole car.
With all the technology Ford has now couldn't they just re-produce the Pinto with all the safety features they ignored in the 70's ?  Everyone is doing retro anyway, why not a 2010 Pinto ;-)

fastlane

I would like to find..rubber end pieces for bumpers, kick panels,consoles,grills,rear spoilers
1957 Lincoln
1966 galaxy wagon
1967 fairlane XL
1971 F-100 429ci
1980 pinto owned over 15 years
1981 RV Ford of course
and 2 other vehicles

popbumper

Hi:

  Sending unit for which year gas tank? Sedan or wagon? Let me know, thanks!

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

decruzcw

My vote would be for:
1.  Weather stripping.
2.  Sending unit (can't find this anywhere).
3.  Rear Quarter window louvers.
4.  Dash pad.

BadBean78

I am in need of a 78 gas tank and a 79 station wagon gas tank.

popbumper

Quote from: pintoguy76 on January 20, 2009, 10:28:26 PM
Absolute #1 on my list - Preformed brake lines!! I need them and it seems impossible for even a "professional" to "make" a properly fitting replacement

#2 Window/Door Seals

#3 Instrument cluster bezels and brackets

#4 Fuel Tanks :D (Yeah right. Like anyones gonna make those! lol   Cant find a new one, anywhere. You are royally screwed if you want or need a brand new one)

#5 Interior pieces. Panels, seat covers, headliners (can find sedan ones, i havnt found a wagon one yet), arm rests, stuff like that)

#6 Electrical switches. I dont know that you can find headlight switches and stuff like that still.

#7 Grilles - 76 ones are probably the hardest to find as they are a one year only item. Best looking one too in my opinion. Good luck finding one, and i need one.

#8 Repair panels. Quarters, floors, rockers, cowl panel.

#9 Original Wiring harnesses

#10 Not really sure what to put down for this last one...


You missed a NOS '76 grille on EBAY last week, went for $56. I thought that was pretty reasonable. Are you needing a gas tank? Sedan or wagon? I have a '76 wagon I am putting back together and have been looking for parts myself.

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

ponyboy

1. Body panels, of course, especially lower panels to repair rust around the fenders/lower doors.
2. ALL the replaceable front end parts, to completely rebuild the front end. I have found some, but not all of them. Also need rear suspension bushings, and the insulator that goes between the rear leaf springs and axle.
3. Armrest/door pulls.
4. The center trim and horn switch for the steering wheel.
5. The part of the dash that the original radio goes in. Previous owner cut mine up.
6. Roof rack for the wagon. Mine is starting to rust out from the inside.
7. Window cranks that don't break. I've gone through 4 from Autozone, and they all broke within 2 weeks.
8. Plastic grilles. My '73 has one slat missing out of it.
9. Mine are ok, but tail light, side marker light, and front turn signal light lenses sound like a good idea.
That's about all I need to make my car near perfect. I've already installed a rebuilt 2.0 engine and a complete new clutch assembly in it, and engine parts, seat upholstery, and carpet still seem to be easy to find. Replacement glass if it is not available or hard to find. What I really need right now though is parts to rebuild the front end. Jerry.

pintoguy76

Absolute #1 on my list - Preformed brake lines!! I need them and it seems impossible for even a "professional" to "make" a properly fitting replacement

#2 Window/Door Seals

#3 Instrument cluster bezels and brackets

#4 Fuel Tanks :D (Yeah right. Like anyones gonna make those! lol   Cant find a new one, anywhere. You are royally screwed if you want or need a brand new one)

#5 Interior pieces. Panels, seat covers, headliners (can find sedan ones, i havnt found a wagon one yet), arm rests, stuff like that)

#6 Electrical switches. I dont know that you can find headlight switches and stuff like that still.

#7 Grilles - 76 ones are probably the hardest to find as they are a one year only item. Best looking one too in my opinion. Good luck finding one, and i need one.

#8 Repair panels. Quarters, floors, rockers, cowl panel.

#9 Original Wiring harnesses

#10 Not really sure what to put down for this last one...
1974 Ford Pinto Wagon with 1991 Mustang DIS EFI 2.3 and stock Pinto 4 Speed

1996 Chevy C2500 Suburban with 6.5L Turbo Diesel/4L80E 4x2

1980 Volvo 265 with 1997 S-10 4.3 and a modified 700R4

2010 GMC Sierra SLE 1500 4x2 5.3 6L80E

popbumper

John:

  Gimme a part number for that clutch cable boot (or, alternatively, your car year/model) and I'll see what I can find for you.

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

73pintoman

I'm not going to list 10 items, all y'all know we need sheet metal, but rubber parts would be great. Door seals, the underhood seal that attaches to the cowl, hatchback seal, and the one I need right now....the clutch cable boot.  I have looked all over the place and can't find one anywhere.  Thought I found one at a Ford dealer in Carrolton, Ky but he hadn't updated his inventory.  If anyone out there has a good one let me know.

Thanks
John

dave1987

Chris, the amount of time taken to reproduce parts is understandable. I find myself fabricating things from sheet metal and misc. parts all the time and it is a very time consuming process. Take your time and don't let anyone rush you, let's get the mold down correct the first time so no money is wasted in the effort!

I agree with blupinto on the vinyl tops and the wheel center cap inserts. I would purchase a couple sets of center cap inserts if they were available!
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

blupinto

Here's my list:

pop-out window grommets that fit into the two slots in the pillar post;

early model "long" interior armrests in the appropriate colors (like saddle bronze);

vinyl for vinyl tops

the inserts for those wheel centers (mine's red color is faded and/or the clear plastic has cracks;

bonus fantasy piece: How about the kicking filly the size of the Mustang's usual grille emblem?


      In fooling with the armrests in the Baby I noticed that while 1980 armrests are compatible with 1974 holes (bolt) they are different armrests.
       
One can never have too many Pintos!

popbumper

Dave:

  I have been doing some molding here recently while laid off, working on my dash A/C console. The master (I had to make a completely new unit out of styrene) is being machined right now. Then, I need to pour an RTV mold and make copies from it.

  The dash cluster IS next - yes, I have been saying that for MONTHS - my biggest (being honest here) caveat is that I have to lay down about $200 to get the materials, and spend several days working through the logistics. Since I AM laid off, I am reluctant to lay much money down on a CHANCE - mold making is somewhat tricky, if you don't get it right you lose what you put into it. It sucks to have plenty of time - bbut not a lot of $$. What little I have been making on the side has been going into my own restoration.

  I have a good used unit from a '76 - which I plan to make others from. I hope I can get some results before too much more time goes by. Always busy, but not a lot of cash to throw around.

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

dave1987

I pulled the complete gauge cluster from a junk yard in Spokane while I was visiting. I didn't pay much ($13), but the white plastic is complete and still in great shape! If someone here does fiberglass molding and is positive that they can make a mold without destroying the original, I'd be willing to give it up. As of now I am just holding onto it as a spare, or a giveaway to someone who is really dedicated to restoring their Pinto. I don't want it to go to waste!
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

popbumper

What part of Texas? I am in Richardson, near Dallas - there is a guy up North of here (towards Wichita Falls) that has a 74 and 76 wagon (I pulled the 76 drivers fender off of that particular car), and a 79/80 sedan that is complete. If you need info, send me a PM, and I'll get you the guys' info.

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

joman

with fear of being shot on this site... We need fenders down here in Tejas...
Where can I find some? any model will do...

I have a parts car that I will only be using suspension and body parts, all glass is good, bumpers are good... it is a later model, I have no clue what year.. and an ugly a$$ed green color...


www.younggunsshootout.com

"my other pinto is a Race Car"!!

dave1987

I recall seeing on ebay, a little while back....

There is a plastic cover, that goes over outer metal elbow, that the front seats pivot upon.

You all know what I am talking about, that curved piece of metal that attaches the back of the seat to the bottom with two bolts securing it to the back, one bolt to the bottom.

I had never heard or seen one before i saw the ebay auction for it.

If we could get these reproduced (even in fiberglass by a member), I would surely purchase a couple pairs of them!!
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

Mutant pony

The white plastic parts. Such as the instrument panel backs, The gauge panel back, The side marker backs. Out of over Twenty pintos that I've had these have been the biggest problems.
'77 pinto,Reinforced stock chassis.2300,courier trans, np205 transfer,9" rear,427/430 gears

PintoDriver

Your list pretty much covers most items. I just bought a '80 Cursing Wagon, and the interior is the worst part. Dashes and Bumper Guards would be the top of my list, along with seats, arm rests, and the very hard to find radio mount. Thanks for spearheading this and let me know if I can help in any way.
1980 Cruising Wagon
1980 All Glass Hatchback

pintoman2.0

It occurs to me that I should expand on why you need to go to companies that have a relationship with Ford.

In the early 80s there were some companies that were making some parts, mostly sheet metal as that was where most of the demand was. Prices were steep, $200 for half of a front floor. Later, some other people came in to the mix with much cheeper parts, and I don't mean just price. In the early 90s Ford started to see so much shoddy material out there, and got complaints from people as if it was their fault. They went on a campaign to shut down those suppliers. Now you can't sell anything that hasn't gone through Fords people to make them authentic and have the right to state that on the part. Otherwise Ford WILL sue your butt off.

Some of these aftermarket companies acually found Fords original tools and equipment and bought them. I wonder if there are any still in existance for Pinto parts?????

P

pintoman2.0

Well, as I told apintonut last week, I'm an old guy. I started restoring Mustangs when most people saw them as they see Pintos today. I did my first one in 75. There were no parts unless you got lucky and found them NOS. And that didn't mean going to your computer and accessing anything like e-bay or Craigs List. That meant phone calls and driving.

I started my own salvage yard so I would have the parts I needed, floors fenders doors. When I strip a car I cut it into little pieces and keep just about everything. That is what I am doing with Pintos now.

I remember when aftermarket parts first became available. First it was for 65-66. We thought the 71-73s would never be popular enough to see repro floors, fenders, cowls, etc. But it did happen, just had to wait long enough. Have you all heard of Dynacorn? They are making a Ford autorized 67 fastback unibody, complete ready to build for $15,000. That was in response to the Elenore craze and that we didn't want to see all the origional 67s made into them so they would be impossible for the rest of us to get.

Start now and it can happen. I think the best ones to approach are the companies that are making Ford authorized Mustang parts now. They have the in with the company and they understand Ford collectors.

My vote is for repro cowls, upper and lower

P.