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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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blupinto

I think my '74 has the plastic inserts (I should say HAD)- If we're talking where the pop-out quarter windows where they hinge into the body. I need the plastic part too for the right one. It's a one-button window (as opposed to the three-button my '72 trunk model had).  Don't know what inserts that one had, as they never presented a problem. Kim, I'm glad you're saving the yellow one.  Maybe I am biased towards '72s (that was my first Pinto- and my own birth year) but there's just something about that yellow one. Good for you!  Pinto power to you!
One can never have too many Pintos!

Pintosopher

Kim ,
I'm glad you are up to speed on our Overlord smog laws. If I had unlimited space and capital , I would have snatched up any pre-75 unibodies of any restorable condition 10 years ago.
My Little 72 runabout is not running now.( but if you look in the Ford pinto.com  archives or google Meet the Pintosopher you may find one of my old story / bio pages when it was street ( "legal)  and tearing up the Napa Valley in the mid 1980's).
I know that if my car was still registered, the temptation to go cook rice would be overwhelming. I might just have to do it anyway ;)

Best wishes ,
Pintosopher
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

Check my Pinto Poems out...

pintogirl

Ok, You guys talked me out of taking out the windows!!! :)  I will have to figure out something for when I repaint the car though!!!!  ???
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

TIGGER

Quote from: r4pinto on November 11, 2008, 05:09:32 PM
Just a warning... I have been told many, many times the clips that go with the flipper windows break very easily & are hard to come by from what I have heard.

Figured I'd give you heads up before you are in the predicament of having the windows out & now way to hold them back in place. There is a post somewhere on here. I'll see if I can find it & post you the link.

Matt is correct, you are going to want to think twice about swapping the windows if they are in good working shape as you will most likely destroy the inserts removing them.  The only way I have been sucessful in getting them out in one piece is to cut the metal from the backside and work them out from the back.  Even then I broke one.  You are not going to want to do that if you are planning on restoring the car. 

On another note, there appears to be two kinds of clips.  One style uses the plastic inserts.  The other style uses a metal spring type tang.  The set on Ebay that pintogirl referred to uses the metal style.  I assume the 71-early 72 uses the metal tang as my 73, which has factory popout windows, uses the plastic insert.  Interesting......
79 4cyl Wagon
73 Turbo HB
78 Cruising Wagon (sold 8/6/11)

r4pinto

Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Quote from: pintogirl on November 11, 2008, 04:55:46 PM
Actually, I am going to restore the yellow car too!! I am going to actually "borrow" the windows for my 'green machine' for now though! I figure the 'green machine will be my (almost) daily driver, so it will be nice to have the extra air flow, specially when the car is a non a/c model!!!

There is a set on ebay right now though, you may want to go check that out!!

Kim

Just a warning... I have been told many, many times the clips that go with the flipper windows break very easily & are hard to come by from what I have heard.

Figured I'd give you heads up before you are in the predicament of having the windows out & now way to hold them back in place. There is a post somewhere on here. I'll see if I can find it & post you the link.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

pintogirl

Quote from: pintosopher on November 11, 2008, 11:58:25 AM
Kim ,
Congrats on scoring all pre 73 pintos! As a fellow Californian and Sac area owner, I hope you can get all three running. There's no reason to scrap any early pre-76 pinto in California ( or any other state, for that matter) if the majority of the car is not collapsing in rust flakes.
  My contention is the VIN numbers on these cars in the Sunshine states makes them valuable for restoration and More Importantly , the ability to register them without the prejudice of California's smog check regulation.
If you desire a Slightly Warmed up version of  Performance from you Pinto, that VIN gives you "privileges" that aren't possible without costly "referee hearings" with the later post-76 cars.
Many will argue the legal ramifications of Smog Check visual equipment rules, but let's face it , there aren't enough classic cars to impact the air quality in CA. And lets be real , you own three "classic cars"!
  I was foolish enough to crush a salvageable '73 sedan that had a better body than your yellow car... I still get a sobering reality check when I think of the possibilities, that car presented.

Hope you enjoy the experience...
We'll see you out there..

Pintosopher,

Folsom , CA

Yah, I know all about those dumb smog laws. A few years ago I had a 76 Triumph Spit Fire. It wouldn't pass smog and it would be  several years before it was exempt, so we chose to take the state up on the offer of 1000 bucks to turn it in for junk! I now wish we would have kept it!

I work in Folsom, what a small world!!  I have never seen a Pinto running around there though!! Coarse, I'm only coming into and leaveing Folsom 3 days a week! LOL
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

pintogirl

Quote from: TOMMYS on November 11, 2008, 10:07:56 AM
HEY KIM,I WOULD REALLLLLLLLLY LIKE TO BUY THE REAR SIDE WINDOWS OUT OF THE YELLOW ONE.IF YOU CHANGE YOUR MIND ABOUT RESTORING PLEASEDON'T FORGET ABOUT ME.I'VE BEEN SEARCHING FOR A SET OF THOSE FOR MY BLUE ONE FOR MANY YEARS.THANKS TOMMYS.

Actually, I am going to restore the yellow car too!! I am going to actually "borrow" the windows for my 'green machine' for now though! I figure the 'green machine will be my (almost) daily driver, so it will be nice to have the extra air flow, specially when the car is a non a/c model!!!

There is a set on ebay right now though, you may want to go check that out!!

Kim
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

Pintosopher

Kim ,
Congrats on scoring all pre 73 pintos! As a fellow Californian and Sac area owner, I hope you can get all three running. There's no reason to scrap any early pre-76 pinto in California ( or any other state, for that matter) if the majority of the car is not collapsing in rust flakes.
  My contention is the VIN numbers on these cars in the Sunshine states makes them valuable for restoration and More Importantly , the ability to register them without the prejudice of California's smog check regulation.
If you desire a Slightly Warmed up version of  Performance from you Pinto, that VIN gives you "privileges" that aren't possible without costly "referee hearings" with the later post-76 cars.
Many will argue the legal ramifications of Smog Check visual equipment rules, but let's face it , there aren't enough classic cars to impact the air quality in CA. And lets be real , you own three "classic cars"!
  I was foolish enough to crush a salvageable '73 sedan that had a better body than your yellow car... I still get a sobering reality check when I think of the possibilities, that car presented.

Hope you enjoy the experience...
We'll see you out there..

Pintosopher,

Folsom , CA
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

Check my Pinto Poems out...

TOMMYS

HEY KIM,I WOULD REALLLLLLLLLY LIKE TO BUY THE REAR SIDE WINDOWS OUT OF THE YELLOW ONE.IF YOU CHANGE YOUR MIND ABOUT RESTORING PLEASEDON'T FORGET ABOUT ME.I'VE BEEN SEARCHING FOR A SET OF THOSE FOR MY BLUE ONE FOR MANY YEARS.THANKS TOMMYS.

dga57

Kim,

Here's some information direct from a 1972 Pinto sales brochure that will explain the trim on your car:


"LUXURY DECOR GROUP. (A, B, & C)  Give your Pinto a little more flair with this unique package.  It's sort of a comfort, convenience and designer kit all in one.

     The interior features of the Luxury Decor Group include Deluxe seat trim - you have a choice of houndstooth cloth (A) or knitted vinyl inserts, Deluxe door trim panels, a front passenger-side door courtesy light switch, full-width contoured rear seat comfort-molded with urethane foam cushions, and a rear seat ash tray.  There's more!

     The intstument panel (B) comes with bright, dress-up trim and woodtone appliques.  You get muti-directional vent registers, a Deluxe 2-spoke steering wheel and a lighter.  Now that takes care of the inside.

     The exterior features of the Luxury Decor Group include gleaming rocker panel molding plus all of the features of Pinto's Accent Group - bright window, center pillar and drip rail moldings, wheel covers, wheel lip moldings and bodyside protection molding with black vinyl inserts (C)."


Hope this helps!
Dwayne :smile:

Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

pintogirl

Quote from: r4pinto on November 09, 2008, 09:27:24 PM
Wow... That's not bad at all. The steering wheel on the yellow one is part of an interior package. I dunno what it was actually called but I always referred to it as a deluxe interior.

Very nice find. I am jeaulous of your floors.. I have a street sign for the front driver floor & swiss cheese for the driver rear. I haven't even looked at the passenger side yet.


Thanks!!

  I was really surprised that the floors were in that good of shape! The carpets (specially on the drivers side) were pretty bad!!  The guy must have hit a big (gigantic) rock at one time because the rear driver side floor board had a huge dent protruding upward. Hubby took a huge rubber type hammer and managed to bang it back down. It is not perfect, but it is a lot better then it was! The rock also put a 1 inch cut in the metal. Nothing a little bit of fiberglass can't fix though!!!!! Or maybe even re weld it up!!

I have to say, I really like fiberglass. It really does a good job at making "new" floor boards in cars!! LOL Hubby used to fix VW pans that way!! I plan on using it to fix the green machine's spare tire hole!! It has a lot of rust and has about a 1 inch or so hole in it! Just going to clean it up and fiberglass, then paint it black!! Good as new!!! LOL

I guess I will have to make a post in the "Your Projects" area!! That way you guy's can follow along on the Pinto restoration as it progresses!! :)  I will track down some before and after pics and start a new post there in a day or so!!!

Kim
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

r4pinto

Wow... That's not bad at all. The steering wheel on the yellow one is part of an interior package. I dunno what it was actually called but I always referred to it as a deluxe interior.

Very nice find. I am jeaulous of your floors.. I have a street sign for the front driver floor & swiss cheese for the driver rear. I haven't even looked at the passenger side yet.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

pintogirl

Quote from: r4pinto on November 09, 2008, 02:08:15 PM
If in doubt about what to do with the yellow one you can ship it to me free of charge  ;D

Seriously though. I concur with Tigger. It should be able to be fixed.. But ultimately the decision is yours.

Ok, sure, I'll send it right over!!!  NOT!!!!! :showback: :hypno: :lol: :smile:

Well, I have decided to restore the yellow one too!!! It is actually a 72 (just looked at the door jam today) and it has some original paperwork. It has the original recall letter and the reciept showing that Ford did the work. It also has the owners manual and another manual that shows different features of the car.

I noticed today that it has a different steering wheel. It has a fancy gold emblem of some sort on it. At first we thought it was the wrong wheel for the car, but then noticed it had fancy designs on the door panels. I'm wondering if it was a "high class" (LOL) Pinto?

Tom, you are right about the DMV stuff. As far as I know too!! The grey Pinto has been expired only 2 months. It expired in Sept. of this year. We are going to get it transfered right away!

The yellow one is a different story. They never registered it when they got it. They got it from the neighbor so tracing down paperwork wont be to bad! I also have paperwork that confirms they told me the truth on this. The neighbors name appears in some of it!  We are going to try to check on how far out of date it is, and if it has been non oped or not. If worse comes to worse, we will wait till it false out of the system, then deal with getting it re registered!!! There is no big hurry on this one. I have 2 more to play with!! Hopefully all goes well though and I can get it atleast transfered into my name and no oped for now!   I will update on what we find out later!

We did get some work done on the grey one today!!! All the interrior is out and floor board has been hosed down!! I was really happy to see that there wasn't much rust! You will see in the photos, a before shot of the floor board. You would think with all that dirt and mud, it would have been really rusty, but it wasn't!!! 

We decided to pull the tranny out of the grey one, and use it in my green machine. We will use what we need to out of the grey to get the green machine road worthy. Then I will start tearing the grey down to get it ready for a new paint job!!! Then slowly rebuild!! I will atleast have the green machine to drive!!!

In the pics, you can kinda see the steering wheel of the yellow car. Also you see a pic of the damaged roof.
The other pics are the before and after pics of the grey's floor!

Kim
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

Wittsend

Kim,
  One thing you haven't mentioned is the registration status of these cars.  Sadly here in Calif. they hit you for ALL years back to the last registered year, plus I think it is 80% penalty!!!  Thus, a very inexpensive car can still have a bill up to about $700 at the DMV to register (depending on years out of registration).

The good news is that after I believe it is 7 years the car falls off the books.  Anyway, my numbers may be somewhat dated, but unfortunately I'm sure the fees are likely similar.  You might want to confirm and factor that into which car you do what with.

  Ironically I think if someone bought the car and registered it out of State the fees get "left behind."  What a racket.
Tom

r4pinto

If in doubt about what to do with the yellow one you can ship it to me free of charge  ;D

Seriously though. I concur with Tigger. It should be able to be fixed.. But ultimately the decision is yours.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

TIGGER

The yellow car looks like it has some nice parts on it.  Popout windows and smooth bumpers.  What year is it?  It looks like it is salvageable if you choose to repair it as well.
79 4cyl Wagon
73 Turbo HB
78 Cruising Wagon (sold 8/6/11)

pintogirl

The brown Pinto is in the same spot I bought my 2 from! Here is the CL ad on it! http://redding.craigslist.org/cto/853746378.html

Yes, My yellow car is missing it's windshield. It is also damaged in the rear quarter panel, the front valance (not sure that is the correct name) and the roof has a big dent like someone must have played on top of it and it sunk down! It also has broken door handles on the inside and I'm not really sure what else on the inside!!

Here are a few pics of the damage, all except the top. I haven't taken any of it yet. I am still debating on what to do with it. I really need parts off of it for my other cars, but at the same time, I hate to just tear it all apart and junk it. I almost want to swap my bad stuff, with it's good stuff, and then let someone else have a chance to rebuild or just play with it!!



Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

r4pinto

Kim, you are one lucky girl.

Those look like they are in good shape. Are my eyes deceiving me or is the yellow one missing the windshield?

It's a shame I live where I do cuz that brown wagon looks in great shape.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

Wittsend

 Yea, I hear you on getting them home.  Just about a year ago I bought my Pinto. It was in S.F., two blocks from where my wife grew up!  The guy I bought it from worked for South West and gave me a free buddy pass to fly up.  Still a U-haul truck (the small 10 footer),the trailer and gas (and other necessities) were about $400.  That is right about a dollar a mile to get to Thousand Oaks.

  Still I was glad I did that rather than trying to drive it to my brothers in Orangevale, fixing it (when I had the time to get up there) and attempting to drive it 400 miles home.  Cheap as I am I must say it was money well spent.

By the way, I love all the yards in the Sacramento area.  Pick n Pull, one admission price and you can get into ANY of their yards all day.  There are...  like... four in a relative area!

Tom

P.S. Where is the brown wagon. It looks pretty nice.

pintogirl

Ok, Here are a couple teaser pics of the new to me Pintos!!! I will add more pics tomorrow!!

This is them ready for the long journey home! Luckily hubby works for that tow company and they let him take the truck on the almost 500 mile round trip. I do have to pay for the diesel for the trip though!! That will probably cost me 150 bucks or so!!! But it was worth it only having to make one trip to get them both home!!!

More pics later!!!
Kim
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

pintogirl

Quote from: douglasskemp on November 04, 2008, 12:50:12 PM
Hey Kim,
Saw those on CL a few days ago, good score!  That same guy is selling a decent looking early wagon too.  Did you happen to get a good look at it while you were there?  Oh, and if you ever wanna sell your 'parts' car, let me know :D

Ok, I took a better look at the wagon! It is in good shape, inside and out! All except for the normal dash pad cracking!!  It only has a couple spots that are rusting through ( that I saw)! I didn't open the hood and didn't try to start it. I tried to see what the least they would take for it, but they wanted me to make an offer. I didn't because I really wasn't "that" interested in it! LOL Also I was dealing with them Mom, the kid that owns them couldn't make it today, so I figured it would be best to deal with him insted of going through a middle man!!

Here are some better pics of the ouside.
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

pintogirl

Quote from: douglasskemp on November 04, 2008, 12:50:12 PM
Hey Kim,
Saw those on CL a few days ago, good score!  That same guy is selling a decent looking early wagon too.  Did you happen to get a good look at it while you were there?  Oh, and if you ever wanna sell your 'parts' car, let me know :D

No, I didn't look at it! I am going back up there on Sat. If I have time, I will ask to see it! 
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

douglasskemp

Hey Kim,
Saw those on CL a few days ago, good score!  That same guy is selling a decent looking early wagon too.  Did you happen to get a good look at it while you were there?  Oh, and if you ever wanna sell your 'parts' car, let me know :D
The Pinto I had I gave to my brother. The car was originally my mom's, (78 red Pinto sedan with a 2.3 and a 4spd.) I am originally from Tucson, AZ but moved to Oxnard CA :D
I'm looking for a Pinto wagon with an automatic.

pintogirl

Quote from: r4pinto on November 03, 2008, 09:26:17 PM
I think JC Whitney sells headliner kits for the car but I'm not too sure. Someone on eBay used to have them but I haven't seen them on there lately.

You might want to google Ford Pinto Headliner to see what you can find.

Yah, I will look into it more once I get the car home!!!! LOL Still in Redding till next Sat!!  Also, I plan on doing a slow restore on this one, so I may not get to the headliner for some time!! LOL Just thinking out loud!! hehe  I will need to strip everything off of the car to do a new paint job. They primered this one and most the time people don't mess with the door jams, this guy did, bummer! So I will need to have the door jams and all repainted!!  Oop's thinking out load again!!! LOL

Thanks for all the great comments!! I really like this site. Alot of nice folks here!!!  :smile:
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

r4pinto

I think JC Whitney sells headliner kits for the car but I'm not too sure. Someone on eBay used to have them but I haven't seen them on there lately.

You might want to google Ford Pinto Headliner to see what you can find.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

pintogirl

Quote from: r4pinto on November 03, 2008, 02:51:09 PM
TOMMYS, you couldn't be more right about losing interest. In the beginning of June this year I took the tranny out of my car to replace it, and it is now November 2nd and the car still sits with the replacement tranny sitting next to it. I can't blame the weather as it was nice. I just got lazy.

Kim, good luck with your Pintos, and we all hope to see you with atleast one of them, if not both at the 2011 40th anniversary of the Pinto at Carlisle.

BTW, how is the interior of the silver one anyways?

The interior on the silver is shot!! It is all there, but needs to be re upholstered! Seat covers will work for now if I really want to drive it for a bit! The headliner is gone too, and I mean gone, all the way out!! Does JC Whitney carry headliners for Pintos? I know they carry other makes!! I will have to check into all that later!!

Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

popbumper

Tommys:

 You said it BEST - there's nothing quite as disheartening than to disassemble a car and not be able to enjoy it. I worked on a 1957 Chevy for 7 years, and drove it like 4 times, and then ended up selling it! My Pinto is sitiing "stalled" right now needing the brake system worked on - it has been a real bear, and it makes having the car actually unenjoyable. I want to drive it, not look at it sit in the driveway!!

 Fortunately, it's not "taken apart" beyond a reasonable level, for that reason. Finding the time to work on it is very difficult.

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

r4pinto

TOMMYS, you couldn't be more right about losing interest. In the beginning of June this year I took the tranny out of my car to replace it, and it is now November 2nd and the car still sits with the replacement tranny sitting next to it. I can't blame the weather as it was nice. I just got lazy.

Kim, good luck with your Pintos, and we all hope to see you with atleast one of them, if not both at the 2011 40th anniversary of the Pinto at Carlisle.

BTW, how is the interior of the silver one anyways?
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

TOMMYS

I DON'T BLAME YA. IT'S A LOT EASIER TO FIX-EM AND DRIVE-EM THAN TO TEAR DOWN & WAIT.I THINK THAT I HAVE LEARNED OVER THE YEARS I MAY NEVER COMPLETELY DISASSEMBLE A VEHICLE AGAIN.IT CAN TAKE SO LONG TO GET THEM BACK TOGETHER,YOU MAY LOSE INTEREST OR WORSE MISPLACE PIECES AND PARTS.I LIKE TO ENJOY THE FRUITS OF MY LABOR,SO I JUST DO STUFF A LITTLE AT A TIME.SEE YA,TOMMYS