IMHO: With ebays new policy that will not allow a seller to give ANYTHING but good feedback to buyers EVEN IF THE BUYER GIVES NEGITIVE F/B FOR NO REASON, there will be less people willing to deal with buyers/ebay (like me).
The thing I worry about is how many sellers will stop selling because of this, and if there are less sellers, there will be less items, and then less buyers.......... I hope I am wrong.
I went to leave feedback for 2 dead-beats, but ebay won't let me.
I still have an issue with ebay and them letting a non-paying bidder leave bad feedback for the seller; as far as I am concerned they are not a 'buyer' and ONLY buyers should be able to leave feedback for a seller.
Sorry for the vent.
Bill
actually i agree with you on that, sicne that ive stopped using E-bay for anything. there are other places we can peddle out wares so to speak, some have a membership fee but there are other ways you can do it, use Neutral on feedback and tag your comment into that instead of positive feedback if you use ebay
I was thinking of the very same thing; put the words NEGATIVE oth similar in the feedback. I bet Ebay will put a stop to that too!!
Bill
I hate ebay as well. They are the same dirty pigs that own paypal. They really dont give a flying F as long as they get their money.
They did it to stop sellers from blackmailing buyers with negative feedback. That system was broken, yes. This one is no better and I honestly cant imagine how stupid you've got to be not to see that.
The simple truth was that the ORIGINAL system kept most people from giving negative feedback for NO reason or for their mistake (like not reading details or making stupid assumptions about the items they were buying or selling). I have had buyers say "I read the description after I got the item" and tell me I should pay for the shipping back and/or give them a full refund after addmittling they made the error. I guess I need not mention how I dealt with them.....
I have never been afraid to give bad feedback where it was due.
I THINK ebay should keep the auction details and not discard them after 90 days. This will help to show when a buyers feedback is BS.
AND ANOTHER THING....
Ebay should allow SELLERS to easily see a rating of feedback left for others. I have looked at what some people leave others; its shocking to see where a person has 99.9 or 100%, but half of the feedback they leave is less than positive.
I say all of this, but I still plan to keep using ebay, just not as much.
Bill
Bill,
No problem with your complaints here. I have one Neg. in 144 transactions. Why? I gave the guy positive feedback for the item, but I commented that, "15 days Texas to California was too long," in the comments section. This guy slams me with a Neg. for that! I searched the guy out and found the slightest "un-positive" comment had this guy slamming people with a Neg. Ironically I bought the exact same item from a guy in the exact same state (on the same day). This other guy charged me 25% less for shipping and I had the item in 2 days.
Personally I feel the seller should HAVE to give feedback first if they want feedback from the buyer. As it is now there is a lot of "feedback stalemate" going on. Neither side wants to give feedback fearing that the other might give a Neg. . But to me if a guy bids, and payed in a timely manner then the first reply should come from the seller.
Other issues regard having to pay Ebay fees for deals gone bad. Twice I tried to sell a Halda Twinmaster stating USA sale only. Twice, after the fact, Europeans (who were the high bidders) wanted to "finish the deal." I fought the first time to get my $20 fee back (it sold for about $900), but the second time it was such a hassle I just ate it.
Tom
I think a system where the feedback is kept secret until both parties have submitted it would work best. You wouldnt have sellers slamming buyers who leave honest feedback with negs so there would be no reason for buyers to be less than truthful.
Ive got 100% feedback after 52 transactions on ebay and I wouldnt/dont hesitate to give someone the feedback they deserve, be it positive or negative. If I make a mistake and get something I wasnt expecting but the seller shipped quickly with fair shipping prices I wont give them anything less than a positive. If some idiot buyer or seller screws up and tries to blackmail me, I wont put up with it. Ill take that undeserved negative just to tarnish their reputation. At the end of the day it isnt a big deal for me.
I have bought a couple of items only to find out that the condition was not as described. I then contacted the sellers and expressed my opinion of the condition in a polite mannor, and had the issue resolved to my satisfaction. I saw no reason in these cases to leave anything but positive feedback because the seller made good. I never threaten or try to extort anyone, just simply state my case where needed.
My opinion is there will be an SIGNIFICANT increase in 'buyer blackmail', and that feedback scores will drop and become less important to the average member.
The feedback system has never been, and will never be perfect, but not letting sellers express their TRUE thoughts about a deal is outrageous. Don't make me say the "L" word!!
Ebay will be very quick to state that they are "just a forum" when there are issues between members. I think that letting sellers have more control over their listings/bidders/auctions will help reduce problems. I routinely sell items that I won't ship, and CLEARLY state that, but I still get bidders that need/want/EXPECT shipping anyway. If they bid early enough I can cancel them (and block), but otherwise I am STUCK dealing with people that think they are so 'special' that I will bend my rules JUST for 'them'. Sellers should be able to cancel bids AFTER the auction ends, AND have to VERIFY the buyer BEFORE the buyer can leave feedback. This would help eliminate sellers buying something from a person that they sold an item to just to leave bad feedback. Only 'buyers', not 'bidders' should be able to leave feedback for sellers (in other words, if they don't follow through with the deal they should not be able to have the privileges that 'buyers' get).
I am not happy with the detailed seller rating thing either. I CLEARLY spell out my details for shipping/HANDLING costs, shipper, and the time that it will take me to get the item shipped (to the shipper). One would think that because I do EXACTLY what I say I will do, that I would have a 5/5 rating, at least for those two things, to go along with my 100% F/B score, but I don't. How stupid is that? To buyers: IF you don't like ALL the details spelled out in an auction: DON'T BID, or don't (insert another "B" word here). The entire concept of leaving "anonymous" feedback is INSANE!!
The sad part is that it is still the best market for what it does, but I soooo hope this new (poop) backfires for ebay.
Bill
Quote from: 77turbopinto on June 24, 2008, 07:32:53 AM
The sad part is that it is still the best market for what it does, but I soooo hope this new (poop) backfires for ebay.
Bill
I know what you mean. As much as I hate ebay and all of the crap they pull, its still the best place to find stuff. Thats because of the community though, not ebay. Google already has Google Checkout which is very much like paypal. All they need is an ebay equivalent and Im sure that they would crush ebay. They have the money and more importantly IMO, the reputation.
If a seller is other than fair in his dealings I often just do not leave any feedback rather than risk getting a negative in retaliation. The only negative I had for years was from a guy in Mexico who never sent the item. I gave him a negative after three months thinking that he was too late to post. Wrong! Six months later I got a negative from this guy who cheated me just because I had given him one so it is not fair for the buyers either. I have way over 3,500 positives and always try to leave feedback as soon as I receive my item but most sellers will not leave feedback until they see what you have left them. It is really two separate transactions, one for the seller and one for the buyer. I do not think that is fair that the seller can not give negative feedback to a deadbeat buyer. It is not a perfect system but like you have said, it is the best one out there!
Well, until someone comes out with a better nationwide seller, e-bay will be here. Craigslist is only a local seller unless you pick every county in the damn country one at a time. It sucks, but they have the monopoly
Hey Bill,
E-bay aint all that bad, I found my Pinto there. And met some cool people at the same time.
Im sure the good outnumber that bad on ebay 10:1. Its just the cheated are the ones who are vocal about it :-\
Quote from: Smeed on June 23, 2008, 03:55:31 PM
I hate ebay as well. They are the same dirty pigs that own paypal. They really dont give a flying F as long as they get their money.
They did it to stop sellers from blackmailing buyers with negative feedback. That system was broken, yes. This one is no better and I honestly cant imagine how stupid you've got to be not to see that.
come on my father n law is 79 he asked me to find him a log splitter on ebay ....and he says yes so i hit buy now ,,,,then the shipping cost comes the next day ,,,,,,.....he`s already drove to cambell river and got one what do you do ......i told them he`s lost it,,,,,, help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! hes coming he wants to buy more !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!he has a great card limit but thats all..............no mind but u gotta ...................................................love em right !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: starkey and hutch on June 28, 2008, 04:31:31 PM
come on my father n law is 79 he asked me to find him a log splitter on ebay ....and he says yes so i hit buy now ,,,,then the shipping cost comes the next day ,,,,,,.....he`s already drove to cambell river and got one what do you do ......i told them he`s lost it,,,,,, help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! hes coming he wants to buy more !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!he has a great card limit but thats all..............no mind but u gotta ...................................................love em right !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Huh? Your father in law bought a log splitter on ebay, bought one locally and now he wants to buy more log splitters??
Yes....ePay is getting to be quite a challenge to use as a SELLER. I currently have a feedback rating of 1100 with no negatives. I did have to fight off one rather agressively when the UPS shipped items where stolen (?) off the buyer's front porch. It was a $300+ purchase and supposedly it was my fault the items got stolen so buyer wanted me to reimburse him for the loss. Didn't happen. I tactfully stalled the guy long enough till the feedback-giving deadline was over. Crisis averted.
Yes....their most recent fee restructuring just stinks. They were making $$ left and right at their old rate. And then they hike it up again. Please. Can't they consider dropping fees for once considering all the sales / volume they have on their website.
And then if you use the PayPal premiere account they hit you there too with more crazy fees. I have the basic PayPal account that prohibits credit / debit card payment. But NO FEES at least. And yes, many buyers are pissed because of that restriction. Oh well, send a money order or check instead. This is mentioned in all my auctions. And the credit / debit card PayPal people still hound me about not be able to use that option. Sorry.
I recently listed 20 Ford parts on eBay one night. I had the auctions end on the June 3rd since I was headed out of town for 2-1/2 weeks on the 13th. This would give buyers 10 days to get payments to me. I mentioned "8 calendar days" as my time limit on the auction pages. I was hoping that would get my point across on getting payments before I left. Well.... as you can imagine, 5 of those didn't arrive till after I had left. I even got one of these payments on 6-26. A record 23 days!!! I believe that this negative feedback changeover has made the buyers real lazy with their payment urgency. 5 of 20 auctions....25% of them......late. Hmmmm.
Yes.... my ePay selling days are coming to an end also. I still have parts to clear out so I will tolerate their new policies and related problems for a little while longer. Sorry no Pinto / Bobcat parts at this time. Can't find them around her. Still looking for a 77-79 parts car so I can resurrect my 77/78 Bobcat ( underhood fire victim ).
Just my 2ยข
Dale in KS
Quote from: rear ended on June 24, 2008, 09:20:29 PM
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I agree with Wittsend...if I send the payment before I get the item, then I should get the feedback first. The last transaction I did on ebay had this issue. The person who received my payment (via paypal no less) insisted I leave feedback as soon as I got my item before she would leave me feedback. She got bent out of shape when I explained MY policy of not giving fb til I got mine since I sent the money first. It's not ebay, it's boneheaded people who forgot about what's fair.
All I know is I bid on a computer cable for my old Commodore that I want to work and got no emails from the seller after I paid him. After almost three weeks with no cable at my place I emailed him about the cable. I left him feedback pretty much pointing out the lack of communication. It was still marked as positive, but it prolly pissed him off since I got no feedback in return. Generally when I sell merchandise I would leave feedback but then 3 people did not do the same so I would wait until the buyer left feedback, then the rule change.
Last I knew they would want to know of a bad buyer but now with the new rules they buyer gets no bad marks for not following through. That's wrong since the seller pays money but not the buyer. Kinds stupid.