I did a search but not to much on this subject. I want to see what cams you guys prefer for the 2.3 turbo and why. Thanks
Ranger roller, It cost 30.00 Bux and you can make over 300+ Hp with it..
Mike
AND------------For a hot street/strip the esslinger 2277 is a good choice. For a race cam, I like the Esslinger 2232.5.
Does anyone on here have a Boport cam? I bought his stage 1 to replace the RR I have and sounds real promising. The guys on turboford say his cams are the best out there and with the results he has gotten on the stage 1 vs the A237 is amazing. I will post here my thoughts on it so you guys can make a call on if its worth it. But hey... there are more options now days and Boport seems to have his stuff together so I figured why not give it a try.
What's your goal?
Goal hp? I want to be in the 350rwhp range without n2o. I am getting up there but I needed a cam to go anywhere close to my goal. Once I get the cam installed and running good again, I am going to the dyno to see what I have at that point. Hope its a big number.
You can do that with a RR & a T-3..
Spend your time & money on valves & porting you'll be in the deep 11s.
I have stock valves but the head is ported. I dont know what hp I am at now but my goal is small so I can tear it apart when I hit the dyno. I still have to finish my header but other then that I am done with porting both head and intake. I also have a 65mm tb and intercooler to hook up. I am only running 10psi now but will get it up there as I go along. I dont have tuning options yet but a friend has a tweecer I can play with then burn me a chip.
Quote from: map351 on February 27, 2008, 06:54:11 PM
You can do that with a RR & a T-3..
Spend your time & money on valves & porting you'll be in the deep 11s.
I hate to sound like a party pooper but an rr and T3 + valves and porting for about 98% of the people will not get you into the deep 11s. I'm sure you have done this for quite some time as I have but I feel that this statement is a bit misleading. There will be a significant amount of other things to do before your car will dip into the 11's. You can get the math to show you that a 2300lb car with 300hp will run an 11.6 1/4 Et. but actually doing it is quite a different matter. The car has to hook, have the proper gearing, shift correctly and pull through the lights among other things. Thats worth a ton of trips to the track not to mention a bunch of dyno time to tune the car correctly. I think a more conservative ET to shoot for would be high to mid 12's with the combo I see you using.
With this car I dont have track goals. It is a personal accomplishment to reach 350hp in my Capri. I will build a Pinto for the track and will have a different goal for that one. For now I just want 350hp or more. I think that was just a suggestion he was making. Personally I dont think a RR could ever get me into the 11 sec range with its speed and rpm limitations. Maybe with n2o but I dont want to waste time tuning for a limited cam. I have the RR in now and was not impressed with its top end so I bought a better one that keeps producing power over 6000rpm and proven to do so. I have yet to even hit the track so 11's probably wouldnt happen for me with 400hp. :accident:
I think a true comparison would be to install the cam and do nothing else. It seems like every time someone does a test it includes the saying " oh and I also changed _ _ _ _ _ along with the cam but that shouldn't make that much difference.
And why only 10lbs? Add some good gas and boost that baby, you'll probably gain 50hp just by adding 5 or 6 lbs.
Chassis type: 84 Capri RS Turbo, CHE rear arms, daily driven.
short block mods/compression ratio/displacement: Stock Short Block
head/port work/valve size: Iron head, Big valves, pocket porting
cam specs/degrees adv-ret: Ranger Roller
intake/throttle body: Rotated, gutted upper / Ported lower (Bob Lee)/ stock TB
intercooler: Large NPR
nitrous system/shot size:None
exhaust manifold: Ported E6
turbo: SVO Style T-3 (.63 turbine/.60 cold side)
wastegate: Stock
exhaust size: 3" downpipe, 3" to bumper with Aerochamber muffler
engine management: PE, Mallory ignition, 2 step for launch
a/f ratio, total timing, boost: Stock tuning, 10 degree base timing, 22 psi boost
fuel octane/brand/leaded or unleaded: pump Sunoco 94 unleaded, 1qt Torco additive per 16 gallons of gas
hp@rpm:
trq@rpm:
flex plate/flywheel: Stock
convertor/clutch: Ram power grip clutch, PP
transmission: TC 5 speed
rear/ratio/tire type/tire size: 3:55 Rear, Hoosier Quick Time Pro's, 26/9.50-16
race weight without driver: 3200#'s WITH driver 3475#
ET/MPH: 1/8th 7.86 at 86.32, 1/4 12.38 at 112.78
It's never been on a Dyno.
With this combo a 2500# pinto will be in the 11s
(http://inlinethumb44.webshots.com/42539/2905465170066453426S425x425Q85.jpg)
I completly agree that a car with those mods could go that fast but I was saying that I could not due to no experience. I am just getting the car up and going so I have yet to put the boost into play. I do however plan to get to the point where my car will be tuned to run 20psi when I want it to and 15psi as a daily driven car. I just dont know if I want to spend all the money needed to get a Bamafuel or tweecer of my own. The cam raped my wallet until I owed it money. I also spent a bunch on paint and other mods. LA3, adj cam gear (which I cant use on this cam cause he made it to run best straight up), and n20 which I am not sure if I want to run it in this car or save for the Pinto. What would be a guess on my setup at 15psi and all my mods for hp?
Chassis type: 84 Capri RS Turbo, CHE rear arms, daily driven.
Who's car is this ? ITs nice looking for sure. I use to own a 79 Turbo RS Capri, Black on Black with the green striping. I would give a bunch to have it back.
BTY I estimate that that car should have 389 rear wheel Hp or about 448 Hp at the flywheel. Now, Im not doubting that that car is as quick as the claims but for the list of modifications you listed I can not see where the horsepower comes from. Maybe some more details on how the owner made over 400 Hp on those parts?
Quote from: turbo toy on February 25, 2008, 07:39:28 AM
AND------------For a hot street/strip the esslinger 2277 is a good choice. For a race cam, I like the Esslinger 2232.5.
To try and answer your question, I am using the Esslinger 2235 roller cam . the specs are
234 dur @ .050 and 585 Lift with a 111.5 centerline. This is a real nice cam that has a street/strip profile but more suited for a big valved aluminum head. the 2232.5 is also a good cam but as classified above its pretty much a race cam with 269 dur @.050 and 620 lift. With any cam you pick try and keep the centerline profile between 109 and 112. 109 will be really lopeing and a little rough for the street though. The 2277 as referenced above would be a good multi use cam and would allow you to have great street drivability and get the most out of the combo I think you are looking at.
I was going to get that one but I went with Bo's cam for now. I have heard the 2277 is a great cam but I dont have that much work done to the head and just wanted something to swap in with little modding. I was told by Bo that at 10psi and my setup that it should give me an easy 30-50hp gain. I hope he is right. I should get it in the next few days so I will post my thoughts and results of it here. I wish I had the money to waste and get my car dyno'd before and after but its not cheap here. $200 is alot of extras for our cars vs the price of 2 dyno sessions.
BTW , who is Bo ????
Turboford, he is on there and has a site I think is Boport engineering or something like that. He ports and I think also makes heads and obviously cams too. Everyone on there loves his stuff.
Boport Flow Development.
Nice site. Looks like he does nice work too. I see he likes to use the Essy Al head.
It seems by all the feedback he has that his stuff is on the up and up. He does like the alum head but who has the money to buy one??? Not me!
Quote from: turbopinto72 on February 27, 2008, 11:16:57 PM
Chassis type: 84 Capri RS Turbo, CHE rear arms, daily driven.
Who's car is this ? ITs nice looking for sure. I use to own a 79 Turbo RS Capri, Black on Black with the green striping. I would give a bunch to have it back.
BTY I estimate that that car should have 389 rear wheel Hp or about 448 Hp at the flywheel. Now, Im not doubting that that car is as quick as the claims but for the list of modifications you listed I can not see where the horsepower comes from. Maybe some more details on how the owner made over 400 Hp on those parts?
Bob Myers it's my X RS turbo Capri. Bob is a Master tuner! I don't think the weight is correct more like 3300#.
This year with the addition of the 55Lb inj and the new axles and some more tire it's in the solid 11s.. and it's a daily driver 25+ MPG.
Here's another.
Last Saturday my 86 T-bird ran a personal best of 12.205. The head is totally unmodified for NHRA stock eliminator racing. Stock valve diameter with stock 45 degree seat angles. Stock intake manifold unmodified. Stock lift cam and completely stock T-3. Running an SDS computer, VP C16 fuel, and a C4 tranny. The car weighs 3025 pounds. The air measured 2126 feet of density altitude and a 7 MPH head wind. The 60 foot was a personal best of 1.597. If not for the tail wind it would have been in the 12 teens.
Marty
NHRA J/FIA National Record Holder
Curtis Hensley
1980 Pinto
short block/rods/compression ratio/displacement:Stock
head/port work/valve size:Iron,hacked up home ported by owner,1.89/1.59 stainless
cam specs/degrees adv-ret:
RR straight upintake/throttle body:40bob upper and lower with TC throttle body
intercooler:Reworked TC
nitrous system/shot size:None
exhaust manifold:Stock E6
turbo:T3/T4 57 Trim
wastegate:Stock internal
exhaust size:2 1/4 DP and 3" muffler
engine management:LA3
a/f ratio, total timing, boost:Don't know,24*locked,26 PSI
fuel octane/brand/leaded or unleaded:110 BP
hp@rpm:?
trq@rpm:?
flex plate/flywheel:Stock
convertor/clutch:Stock
transmission:88 TC-T5
rear/ratio/tire type/tire size:8 inch,4.62 and spool,MT ET street,11.5 X 28
race weight without driver:2360 pounds-2525 with driver
ET/MPH:7.62 @ 94.1 MPH and 1.57 sixty foot (11.80 1/4)
Just Amazing...
Those are good numbers on pretty much a stock motor. I am getting excited to get the Capri on the road with all my new stuff installed. I will have to stop being a little girl and go to the track this year. Does anyone know what the 73 Capri weighs in at?
"Here's another.
Last Saturday my 86 T-bird ran a personal best of 12.205. The head is totally unmodified for NHRA stock eliminator racing. Stock valve diameter with stock 45 degree seat angles. Stock intake manifold unmodified. Stock lift cam and completely stock T-3. Running an SDS computer, VP C16 fuel, and a C4 tranny. The car weighs 3025 pounds. The air measured 2126 feet of density altitude and a 7 MPH head wind. The 60 foot was a personal best of 1.597. If not for the tail wind it would have been in the 12 teens."
What class are you running in ? I ask because if you are running in either Q/S, V/S or W/S class you are any where from 1.75 sec to 4.5 sec under your index? which would put you ( running in Q/S ) about 1.25 Sec under the world record.
Quote from: map351 on February 28, 2008, 08:16:39 AM
Bob Myers it's my X RS turbo Capri. Bob is a Master tuner! I don't think the weight is correct more like 3300#.
Master tuner :D lol. yeah, masterbat....errr never mind.
To be more specific, we weighted the car on 4 corner scales and it was a few pounds shy of 3200 (like 319X??) with ME in the car (I'm no small guy). When the car was weighed, it was at 1/2 tank of gas, and I always race it full, so add about 8 gallons fuel weight, plus my helmet, and whatnot and its a solid 3200#'s plus a little ;)
Here is a video of the car on the 12.38 pass. This was actually bracket racing, and the sad part is, I broke out on a 12.40 dial. I really havent pushed it as hard since, been pretty happy to dial it in at 12.50 and go lots of rounds ;)
http://good-times.webshots.com/video/3048531450066453426udKGVS
Back to the topic, I actually tried an A237 cam in the car this summer. Effectively, it never ET'd any better, but did pick up a little MPH. All of a sudden, the car started to get hard on parts. I got frustrated and pulled that cam and went back to my tried and true ranger roller. We ran mostly 1/8th mile at the end of the season (long story) but I ended up running both ET and MPH equal to my best ever (with either cam) with some more cam timing adjustments.
As Mike said, I have been traction limited to some extent, and destroyed the rear end to close the season. The car will be back this year with a solid rear, and 9" wide tires (8.5 last year). The goal is to getmy junk into the 11's on a T3 and Ranger roller cam. Everyone says it cant be done at my weight, I see that as a challenge :D
Bob Myers
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Quote from: turbopinto72 on February 28, 2008, 05:57:50 PM
"Here's another.
Last Saturday my 86 T-bird ran a personal best of 12.205. The head is totally unmodified for NHRA stock eliminator racing. Stock valve diameter with stock 45 degree seat angles. Stock intake manifold unmodified. Stock lift cam and completely stock T-3. Running an SDS computer, VP C16 fuel, and a C4 tranny. The car weighs 3025 pounds. The air measured 2126 feet of density altitude and a 7 MPH head wind. The 60 foot was a personal best of 1.597. If not for the tail wind it would have been in the 12 teens."
What class are you running in ? I ask because if you are running in either Q/S, V/S or W/S class you are any where from 1.75 sec to 4.5 sec under your index? which would put you ( running in Q/S ) about 1.25 Sec under the world record.
You missed Marty's Sig.
Marty Buth
NHRA J/FIA National Record Holder
You missed Marty's Sig.
Marty Buth
NHRA J/FIA National Record Holder
No wonder I couldn't figure it out. Thats a European class right ?
So when you posted the thread about the 86 Tbird and it said " Last Saturday my 86 T-bird ran a personal best of 12.205" it was actually Marty's Tbird? So Bob has the Capri, Marty has the Tbird and you have the 1980 Pinto ? Just trying to sort it all out :)
I just bought a set of his valves...NICE :hypno:
Man I just made a complete butt of myself on the local site here. I was trying to explain the power the 2.3t has and got reemed a new one about how they are not capable of what they actually are. I must say Honda guys are pretty dumb. I hope this cam does me good cause now I have to defend the 2.3's honor. I went a bit overboard but hey... I have pride you know!
Quote from: turbopinto72 on February 28, 2008, 07:06:28 PM
You missed Marty's Sig.
Marty Buth
NHRA J/FIA National Record Holder
No wonder I couldn't figure it out. Thats a European class right ?
So when you posted the thread about the 86 Tbird and it said " Last Saturday my 86 T-bird ran a personal best of 12.205" it was actually Marty's Tbird? So Bob has the Capri, Marty has the Tbird and you have the 1980 Pinto ? Just trying to sort it all out :)
Actually, the 80 Pinto is "my" daily driver and those numbers were done early on in the mods to the car. It's now a low 10 second daily driver and still gets 23 MPG.
you beat me to it!! this guy is on www.foureyedpride.com. im a member there also for the 2.3/svo section of the forum. a ranger roller with good boost should put you at 350 as long as everything else is up to snuff.
ive read a lot on those boport cams. they have a couple write ups on turboford.net. i have the essy 2277 but have yet to run the car. i would have bought a boport cam if it was out when i got the essy. the last write up i read was that the stage 3 cam put out something like 40 more hp but 10ft/lb less. i read that boports cams are much more streetable than the a237 and the essy 2277.
Quote from: map351 on February 27, 2008, 10:22:40 PM
Chassis type: 84 Capri RS Turbo, CHE rear arms, daily driven.
short block mods/compression ratio/displacement: Stock Short Block
head/port work/valve size: Iron head, Big valves, pocket porting
cam specs/degrees adv-ret: Ranger Roller
intake/throttle body: Rotated, gutted upper / Ported lower (Bob Lee)/ stock TB
intercooler: Large NPR
nitrous system/shot size:None
exhaust manifold: Ported E6
turbo: SVO Style T-3 (.63 turbine/.60 cold side)
wastegate: Stock
exhaust size: 3" downpipe, 3" to bumper with Aerochamber muffler
engine management: PE, Mallory ignition, 2 step for launch
a/f ratio, total timing, boost: Stock tuning, 10 degree base timing, 22 psi boost
fuel octane/brand/leaded or unleaded: pump Sunoco 94 unleaded, 1qt Torco additive per 16 gallons of gas
hp@rpm:
trq@rpm:
flex plate/flywheel: Stock
convertor/clutch: Ram power grip clutch, PP
transmission: TC 5 speed
rear/ratio/tire type/tire size: 3:55 Rear, Hoosier Quick Time Pro's, 26/9.50-16
race weight without driver: 3200#'s WITH driver 3475#
ET/MPH: 1/8th 7.86 at 86.32, 1/4 12.38 at 112.78
It's never been on a Dyno.
With this combo a 2500# pinto will be in the 11s
(http://inlinethumb44.webshots.com/42539/2905465170066453426S425x425Q85.jpg)
Well I got the cam installed but have to do some more work on the upper to fit my 65mm TB. After that the n2o will get installed and off to the races. I also have a tweecer that I used to up my injector size from 35lb to 42lb'ers. I hope to be closer to the 400hp range before n2o but that will take some dyno time and lots of tuning. Next up is the MAF conversion with the tweecer to make sure the 400hp range is do'able. I will post my times and hp when I get there. I wanted to test the RR against the Boport cam on the dyno but time is money and a dyno is not cheap. March 30th I will be at the track to see what it can do.
SVOJohn's mass air conversion with a tweecer...
Look around on this search link (spysvo) or (svojohn).
http://www.turboford.net/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=search_tng;d=results;record=2454534-195031-KGAZ;result_start=0
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5924727787949338928
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3265562106980828777
http://www.turboford.net/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=2;t=044893;p=1
Thanks. I already have most the files and research done. Its just getting the MAF I want to use and getting it done. I will check those links out. Thanks again.
Quote from: map351 on March 08, 2008, 07:11:11 PM
SVOJohn's mass air conversion with a tweecer...
Look around on this search link (spysvo) or (svojohn).
http://www.turboford.net/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=search_tng;d=results;record=2454534-195031-KGAZ;result_start=0
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5924727787949338928
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3265562106980828777
http://www.turboford.net/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=2;t=044893;p=1
Two of these vids are of a maf in an intercooler??? How is that done and where is the link to that guys site? Thanks