Alright....it is rearend time. I got an 8" limited slip carrier and this is a good time to give the rear suspension a good inspection,rejuvinating and painting. I spent the early part of the day pulling everything out...left the shocks hanging though because I had to clean the piles of rust dust and gear oil mixture and didn't want to lay in that and unbolt the buggers. I fail to have pics at this point cause my camera bat is dead and I need a new one. I will commence with photos as soon as bat arrives.
Two questions....When I was looking at my rear end from the side still setting on the leafs I noticed that the carrier opening seems to aim upward a bit. When I pulled the rear end out it is clear that the carrier opening and leaf mounting flats( or what ever they are called) are not 90 degrees apart. Is this normal or wasn't my rearend mounted in the jig right when they welded them on at the factory?
Also...Has anyone removed the rear 5 mph bumper mounts and mounted the bumper closer to the body like on the older cars instead of having it stick out so far? It looks like it would fit ok closer?
High_Horse
Hey Mike,
Drill a 5/16 hole in the shock. Move the bumper in untill you are happy with the alingment and drill a 2nd hole through the first hole.
drill the hole to 3/8 and install bolt.
The first hole you drill will make oil squirt out so be carefull.
From Pintony
If killed in accident this post will be dis-avowed...
Post will self-destruct in 15 seconds....
From the ChevyLover
Ok....Tonight I ordered a camera battery first thing. 12 bucks ebay.
Removed the rear bumper and my trailer hitch...I would have done the drill thing but I had to get that flap out of there....removed the rear shocks which were Motocraft Sure Trackers...Heavy duty. I can't remember putting them in but they work like brand new. I think I am going to pull the tank. OH YAH...Where can I get a new emegency brake cable setup..mine is rusted stiff.
High_Horse
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I think we should create a forum called ASK PINTONY! ;D Youjust have an answer for everything! :read:
Quote from: osiyo59 on February 11, 2008, 11:03:24 PM
I think we should create a forum called ASK PINTONY! ;D Youjust have an answer for everything! :read:
That is NOT true!!!
I do not have any V8 answers & very few Turbo-2.3 answers. :-\
Quote from: osiyo59 on February 11, 2008, 11:03:24 PM
I think we should create a forum called ASK PINTONY! ;D Youjust have an answer for everything! :read:
They did... :amazed: ...it's called ChevyLover's Anonymous, also known as 'Friends of Tony P' :showback:
Quote from: douglasskemp on February 11, 2008, 11:33:16 PM
They did... :amazed: ...it's called ChevyLover's Anonymous, also known as 'Friends of Tony P' :showback:
Hehehehehehe!!! Thats Funny!!!!!
You could start a thread called "P I N T O N Y gets a rear end job"
Long Island Ice tease on the Horse.
High_Horse.
No camera battery yet...but I pulled the seals out of the rearend housing today and begun to proccess it. Took it down to the local spray and wash for degreasing...had the whole place to myself cause the winds were out of the north at 45 mph and it was a brisk 35 degrees. Whooow! Got home and took the grinder and wire wheel to it...removed weld platter and ground weld hickeys down then wire wheeled the rust to a smooth finish...cough. Coated the housing with two coats of extend and will paint tomorrow.
High_Horse
Today I painted the rear end housing with 100% Stainless Steel 316 L Pigment... ;D...Cough. I also drilled bumper shocks out. They were filled with some kind of white fluffy styro-foam rubber stuff that was dry to the touch and was under pressure. The telescopic assembly retracted 2.5 inches leaving me with 3 inches to the flat that the bumper shroud screws to. Is there anyone with the pre-5mph big bumper that can give me the measurement from the bumper to the flat? (Wagon) I am compelled to move it in another inch so it hugs that body but am curious what the norm is. Yah Pintony...I was waiting for the oil and got Christmass tree snowed.
High_Horse
I wirebrushed the heck out of the brake backing plates...they were in pretty good shape as I last did them in 92. Put them in the oven...dryed them out and coated with extend...tomorrow paint. They should last till there next redo in 2023.... ;D
High_Horse
Quote from: High_Horse on February 18, 2008, 05:42:59 PM
...Is there anyone with the pre-5mph big bumper...
If I am not mistaken, there is no such thing. I am pretty sure the 5mph thing started in 73, the year BEFORE the 'big' bumper was installed. I think you are breaking new ground here bud. Just go with whatever looks good to you. Also, from what I understand, there are a couple different types of the 'bumper shocks'.
Finally got my camera battery so now you guys can see what I am doing. The second and third pics show the rear bumper all the way out and all the way in.
High_Horse
Well...I spent a little time in the garage tonight. I gave up trying to pull the bearings off the axles so I am going to take them to the axle shop tomorrow. I disassembled the limited slip tonight to see how it looks...and it looks good except I think I am going to use my gears instead of the ones that have been sitting for years...they are a bit crusty where mine are well broken in and smooth. I am also going to take the leaf springs in with the axles and see what I can do to put some beef to them. I am also thinking about fabbing a small rearend skirt to fit under the bumper to cover the gas tank look from the rear. Just throwing it out there. Pics to come.
High_Horse
i need ur garage
Hello HH,
Finally got to see some piccys!!! 8)
Do you have any of the posi unit???
From Pintony
Yesterday I took the axles in to have the bearings removed...$50.00. I then went to the parts store and bought 2 axle seals, 1 pinion seal for the hog nose, 2 axle bearings, 2 rear brake cylinders, 2 springs kits and 2 star adjuster kits...180.00. Today I took my leaf springs in to have them duplicated...and with a special front spring addition to eliminate the need for traction bars. I am increasing the u-bolt diameter from 7/16 tp 1/2. A new set of stock shackles and all the stock rubber grommets...325.00. Nothing to take a picture of yet.
High_Horse
Spent most of this weekend processing parts....meaning cleaning them coating them and meticulasly painting them. Here are pics of some rearend parts before they go into the oven after being anti-rust coated. It is very important to know the load raiting of ones oven rack before placing rearend parts into the oven.... ;D Her Highness_Horse asked what was cooking...I told her Hog Nose..... ;D
Feast your eyes on a brand new set of leaf springs...These were hand built by the spring shop to Ford oem specs.......original springs have 5 leafs...notice the sixth leaf that extends over the front mount leaf and back to past the halfway point. Eliminates spring wind and the need for traction bars.
High_Horse
And just for reasons of record I am including these pictures and part numbers for future reference. They are the spring clamp rubber grommets and the new shackles.
High_Horse
I have a window of opportunity to get some welding done tomorrow so I am going to do some beef work to the lower clamp plates. I found when I took them apart that there was a crack in one of them. Upon closer inspection I found that the part was not stamped correctly when it was made. It looks to me like the dies were out of alignment like by an 1/8th of an inch and considering this stock to be 3/16th thick and the kind of tonnage it would take to pound one of these puppys, the crack has been there since the beginning.
High_Horse
Also, I decided that the 2.5 inches that the bumper mount moves in will be enough because it will allow me to cut the splash in a good place instead of trying to cut off to much and have it look bad. Here are closer pics of the bumper mounts protracted and retracted.
High_Horse
Hey Mike,
You need a custom pan with louvers punched in them!!!
From Pintony
Mounted the rear bumper for keeps.
Pic 1 shows how the rear flap was, notice the dirt line where the bumper was.
Pic 2 shows how much was removed from flap.
Pic3 shows how it looks now, notice that the bumper lands right up against the corregation molded into the flap.
Pic 4 shows the bumper from the side, notice that the bumper angles slighty down and is not parrallel to the line that runs along the top of the reflector. I must put a washer into the bottom bumper mount holes to bring the bumper up in the rear just a Pinto hair.
High_Horse
I finally got into the stable to do a little work. Put the pinion assembly together and bolted it to the carrier housing.
Just for records...The pinion seal number is...National #8181NA and the o-ring is 1/8th dia. I rolled my own o-ring from bulk Buna-N cord.
High_Horse
Assembled the limited slip....added a shim to limit it's slip a tad more... ;D
Installed the carrier to the rearend housing...just for kix I siliconed some magnets into the bottom of the housing to collect any metal particals that might be there during breakin cause there is no drain plug. Just for record...the housing gasket I used is a Felpro #RDS 13270.
Nothing like neat clean stuff...oh...and tight.
High_Horse
Mounted the leaf springs today (can't begin to explain the feeling of mounting some heavy hardware...on my favorite little car). I am using all new grade 8 fasteners....and dam the luck as I was tightening one of the shackle bolts if it didn't snap...so I popped them out and used 1/2 inch grade 8 bolts for that to.
High_Horse
Found a little time to pop the rearend in....I still have not gotten the u-bolts made yet although they are paid for....tomorrow. I am increasing their size from 7/16 inch to 1/2 inch....winny!!!!
Tick Tock Tick Tock,Work Work Work,Were running out of time.I hope you are closer to being done then I am.
Mike
Pintaro,
Two months and counting.......I will be there or I will be there.... ;D
High_Horse
There may be a few sleepless nights,but I will be done!!!!!!
Pintaro,
What are you doing??? Or is it a surprise???
High_Horse
Hey HH,
That is some serious NICE work there!!
Great close up photos!!
Lots of good info here!!!
Keep up the Great work!!! :fastcar:
From Pintony
High Horse,The only part I am not touching is the engine compartment,and the only Im not doing that this year is because I am running out of time.
Pintaro
Pintony...Thank you very much.... ;)
Pintaro...Doing the car in a bitesized and buget freindly manner is the only way to go.... ;D
Picked up my u-bolts today and I will get them painted up for install. I am increaseing the size from 7/16 inch to a full blown wopping monster 1/2 inch.... ;D
High_Horse
I cleaned up the shocks and gave them a coat of paint. I can't say when I put these shocks on but I was amazed at the good condition they were in...and the action was as crisp as if they were new. Of course they are motocraft. So back in they go.... ;D
High_Horse
Lookin good there.
Aside from fixing the driver door on my work wagon so it opens and vacuuming out the Impala I finally made it to my favorite car and bolted the rear end to the leaf spings...also hung the shocks.
Because I have slightly thicker spring stock and an extra leaf in there I did not have to put in the lower positioning rubber grommet....don't think I didn't try..... ;D
That's about a 1/4 pound less weight.
High_Horse
With a rear end that shiney you simply MUST address your fuel tank ;D. By the way, I bought the house and am in the process of making the garage usable for Pinto modifications.
Hey Congrats GH440....We are looking forward to seeing some project action comming out of your stable.......... ;)
Well I took the axles in and had the bearings pressed on......
Pic1...Bearing on shaft with retainer and seal positioned where it will be in place.
Pic2...Flange gasket in place....used old one...brushed on ample anti-seize.
Pic3...Seal installed in axle housing...coated it and the seat with red locl-tite... ;D
Pic4...Axle assembly bolted and torqued in place.
Special note...I am making an effort not to work the underbody because it will distract me from what I am doing...which is installing a limited slip and new springs...When it is paint time I will strip the car to the shell and administer...what is called in Pinto talk...a frame on restoration... ;D
I expect by June to be taking some Pics of ThunderPinto in it's new digs.
Just as a matter of records...The seal number is...National Seai #3214.
The axle bearing is...Federal-Mogul#RW-207-CCRA
High_Horse
Today I mounted the brakeline junction/rearhousing breather and the wheel cylinders and ran the brake lines. Also, drew in a new set of lug studs.....no better feeling then drawing the studs in with an impact and waiting for the socket to stop.... :)
Just as a matter of records the wheel cylinder number is.....Professionals choise #WC13620 or Bendix #33620 or Wagner #79985 or Midas #1102 or EIS #34958 or Auto Spec #81022.
High_Horse
I installed the brake shoes today and set the car down on it's butt end except I still need to get a set of brake drums. Till I get those I put the front wheels up on ramps and pulled out the tranny mount. When I did my v8 conversion I fabricated my own rigid motor mounts but I left in the rubber tranny mount. Although I added additional silicone to help dampen it there still was a vibration that peaked at about 45 mph. Well I think I have a new rule of thumb....Rigid motor mounts...Rigid tranny mount.
I took a pick of the stock tranny mount with all the rubber removed. And just for informational purposes to those interested....I used the stock v6 tranny mount for my conversion but turned it around so the slots were to the rear and that is ultimately what determined the position of my 302/c4 combination....motor mounts and oil pan were fit for that location.
Just for the record I used Wagner Thermo quiet rear brake shoes # PAB474.
High_Horse
As luck would have it I was just able to have my drums turned....not bad for drums that are over 15 years ols and are on there second set of shoes. I had them turned to a like I.D. cause I like things even....the one drum would only required a shaving but the other was rounded and had a deeper groove.....groovy. Here they are being coated with rust neutralizer. The same way they were done 15 years ago.
High_Horse
Got under the car last night and zeroed in on the weld postion for the tranny mount....I am really glad I took measurements before removing the rubber grommet material from the mount. But I got under there any way to CONFIRM the position because once it is welded it is welded. Especially alot of weld..... ;D
Yes...I do all my own welding.
High_Horse
HH I enjoy folowing your thread. I have only owned my pinto for nine months, and have not taken on a project this ambitious yet.
Leonard
Lencost,
Ambition....Thanx. ... :)
High_Horse
Got under the car and installed the tranny mount but before I did that I filled the cavities with silicone to arrest ressonance. Why???? Because the modofications I do change the things that ford put in there...like gobs of insulation. I now have a full rigid engine/tranny mount and I guess filling a space that would have housed insects and mud with a vibration damper was better then wasting the space. Any way the car is ready for a drive and I will give a detailed test report... ;D
But my nephews Toyota Tacoma is sitting in front of ThunderPinto without a rear axle.
If he had followed my instructions it wouldn't be there.......but no...he had a better idea...take the axle to Midas to have the bearing removed...I am just glad he is not buying an axle now.
High_Horse
With some trick jockeying of the floor jack, some carefull too-ing and fro-ing and some strategic manipulation of the front wheels I was able to get ThunderPinto out of the garage and road test that rear end....Whew..... ;D
Anyway...I put that badboy in reverse and backed out of the drive,but, as soon as I cut the wheels at the apron the rear end sounded like it wanted to jump up into the driver seat and mar my dashboard. The car rumbled and clunked and said a word that is inappropriate for this forum.
Well, Knowing the guy who put that thing together I turned in my seat and shouted...SHUTUP. What I didn't say was that we are going to test drive you to the parts store for another quart of Hypoy-C 140/85 gearoil. The ride seemed like it took forever with this thing rumbling and moaning at every turn....clawing at me like I was some vengian of some previous time and space.....I turned and shouted...SHUTUP.
I lifted that animal and placed the driver wheel on the ramp and let it down making sure to leave plenty of space for the additional quart of Hypoy and darned if it didn't drink it all.
So back we were on the road slurring our words as we beamed obsenities at each other....till finally I had enough and pulled into a parking lot. I turned my wheels sharply to the left and gave that beast hell....around and around till we were so dizzy we bobble headed.... ;D Then to the right bobbling the other way till the monster started to quiet....back to the left....quieter...then to the right...I'm go throwup.....but I persisted. Finally the animal quieted down. So I drove home and took a nap.
Later...to check things out I took it out....again.....at the apron the beast awoke so I straightned that Pinto out and burned right back into the garage.
I jacked it up again the same as before and checked my bottle of STP...boom I had about a shot glass left....so in it went.
I ran over to that parking lot and dizzied that critter up again but it still couldn't stop grumbling at me...a low grumble but none the less. So I pulled it in the garage and watered the lawn.
Today...another day...I pulled the Pinto out...gave it a little warm up time in the drive...my wife was playing with granddaughter...I thought shucks she will get a laugh out of this....but when I hit the apron ....nothing....not a peep. Just to be sure it was the same rearend I burned out....yep, two foot prints. So I crawled back in and took off.....nothing....not a peep....Hmmmmmm....I'll take it.
Pics....Footprints in the drive.....sitting after new springs installed....too high...just right????
High_Horse