I all goes well, I will be intalling the t-5 tomorrow. I have all the parts, plus the pedals and cable are in the car. The carpet is out as well. I will take some pics along the way.
One thing I need to address is the tranny mount flange is in a different location on the t-5. I knew this, but it can throw off the pinion angle if not addressed. My engine and tranny are dropped, so I will need to really take the time to alline it. I plan to make my tranny mount bracket adjustable (modify a stock one), and not use the one that I modified for the stock tranny drop.
Bill
Done.
Bill
Hey Bill,
I just elongated the holes in a mount the I got from a 75 automatic in my current 72 Runabout project. Also used the driveshaft and hooked it up to my 8" rear.
Everything seems to be in line OK. It drove well when I had it on the road last.
How far out of align are we talking here? Is vertical, horizontal or both?
Al
I just used the modified bracket I had in it, but spun it around. The stock bracket has the holes offset ot one side, and when you spin it, the holes are on the wrong side. I took good measurments before I did the swap so I was able to put the yoke almost where it was. Yes, It is just a matter of slotting the holes. The shifter plate that bolts to the top of the tranny is about 1/2" below the tunnel and the rubber part is sticking though the hole. I cut the hole forward to the edge of the rib in the floor in front of the hole, turned the stock boot 90* (other wise the mount bolts will hit the tranny)and installed it like ford did.
You just need to get up here and look.
Bill
I am putting in the turbo engine next month and woul love any info I might need to complete the job the right way. I also want to install the T5. Thanks to all you wonderful Pinto lovers. This site is awsome.
I did my t-5 swap about 3 yrs ago,we used the trans mount from the 86 svo mustang angles seem to be correct and the only mod is you may have to slot the holes in the pinto crossmember.
I raced a pinto for a while but have just bought a stock '72 and am restoring it. Pardon my ignorance, but why did you drop your motor and tranny? Center of Gravity? I haven't seen it done.
Thanks,
js
I have the details posted in two other threads, but the reason for the drop is without some modification somewhere, the stock efi intake will make contact with the hood.
Bill
When installing your T-5, did you reuse your existing yoke (C4 I'm going to guess) or did you use a yoke from a T-5 drive shaft? I'm doing a T-5 swap and have a T-5 yoke with a large harmonic balancer and I'm wondering if a regular C4 yoke will work just as well. Thanks!
The Pinto driveshafts for different trannies and rears are different lengths.
The yoke from a c3 WILL fit into the t-5, BUT it is NOT the same and SHOLUD NOT BE USED. I do have a driveshaft from a stangII with a v6, c4, 8", but I did not see if it was the same (don't hink it is).
I am using a driveshaft form a 85ish Stang GT turbo, and yes it too has the big thingy on the yoke.
With the 9" rear and V8 setup, I don't know how long of a drveshaft you will need.
Bill
In my 289 car with a 9" and c4 I used a Mustang drive shaft and it was the propper length.
Hi Bill,
Have used the driveshaft off a 75 auto on my 72 application and had it on the road for a short while before I started with my new engine.
Have it apart now and I can't see any abnormal wear on the splines on the output shaft nor feel anything wrong with the splines inside the yoke.
By "the big thingie" do you mean the collar by the yoke that I've seen on some drive shafts?
I realize that just because it fits, (or seems to), that it doesn't necessarily make it right. How are the yokes different?
The length is fine. I've seen shaft assemblies in the Jeg's catalog in the Mustang section. I wonder if they would do.
I tried using their steel (Jeg's),housing for the throw out bearing slide once and my bearing was too small for it. I suppose that it was because it was for the V-8 applications. Am not sure if I'd run into the same problem with the driveshaft. Are the output shafts different from four to eight cylinder applications?
I saw your ride in June and would like to come up and see your other projects before the snow flies. Have done nothing with my ride as I'm up to my neck with another project.
Al
I will double check it, but from what I remember the OD was smaller on the c-3 yoke. Mine might have been worn and/or I might be wrong.
Yes on the thingy.
I never had a v8 t5 but I have seen a bunch of posts that the input shaft is different in some way.
Bill
The imput shaft is longer on the v8 trans
QuoteI tried using their steel (Jeg's),housing for the throw out bearing slide once and my bearing was too small for it. I suppose that it was because it was for the V-8 applications. Am not sure if I'd run into the same problem with the driveshaft. Are the output shafts different from four to eight cylinder applications?
I just went through the same thing, The t-5 4 cylinder later modelTurbo Coupes used a lower 1st gear which increased the front bearing diameter, The v-8 bearing supports WILL NOT fit. If youv'e ever owned an early model or the SVO, trust me, this was a needed change. I must have stalled mine out a dozen times or more. There is a company that makes an aluminum one, I found it by using alot of different google searches but used my original one instead as it wasn't that bad, I think it was about 48.00. The drive shaft yokes from the two are the same, I droped a Ford Racing aluminum driveshaft right in and it includes the yoke.
QuoteYes on the thingy.
definition: harmonic balancer, due to the different rotatating speeds of the drive shaft and the engine when in overdrive. I sent my '88 LX 5.0 shaft in to be rebalanced and they removed it completly, 150k later there was still no difference without it.
QuoteI never had a v8 t5 but I have seen a bunch of posts that the input shaft is different in some way.
Input shaft pilot bearing diameter and there might be some different lenghths involved in the 90's years, I know the bell housing lenghth varies.
Maybe we should change form "Shiny" to " Thingy"....... ;D
Hi Jim,
On that aluminum Ford Race driveshaft, do you have a part number or availability? I suppose it's on the Ford Racing site?
Would it be the same one that I mentioned in the Jeg's catalog?
If the overall length is good, I would like to see about getting one.
Thanx for the info.
Al
Quote from: CHEAPRACER on September 12, 2006, 10:23:35 PM
I just went through the same thing, The t-5 4 cylinder later modelTurbo Coupes used a lower 1st gear which increased the front bearing diameter, The v-8 bearing supports WILL NOT fit. If youv'e ever owned an early model or the SVO, trust me, this was a needed change. I must have stalled mine out a dozen times or more. There is a company that makes an aluminum one, I found it by using alot of different google searches but used my original one instead as it wasn't that bad, I think it was about 48.00. The drive shaft yokes from the two are the same, I droped a Ford Racing aluminum driveshaft right in and it includes the yoke.
definition: harmonic balancer, due to the different rotatating speeds of the drive shaft and the engine when in overdrive. I sent my '88 LX 5.0 shaft in to be rebalanced and they removed it completly, 150k later there was still no difference without it.
Input shaft pilot bearing diameter and there might be some different lenghths involved in the 90's years, I know the bell housing lenghth varies.
I'm slightly confused on the V8 bearing support and stalling - can someone enlighten me? I guess the bottom line question is whether or not to replace the bearing retainer or if stock will work well enough?
It sounds like I can use the C4 drive shaft yoke for the T5 output shaft and it will work fine - no big thingy is required for the drive shaft to go roundy-roundy .
Yes, the front-most tip of the input shaft is slightly smaller in diameter than the V8 and requires a pilot bearing with smaller diameter hole. The SVO input shaft is also approx 0.3 inches longer than the V8 shaft.
Quote from: turbopinto72 on September 13, 2006, 09:11:00 AM
Maybe we should change form "Shiny" to " Thingy"....... ;D
I try not to get too technical sometimes. If I had to choose a name for it, and could only pick from "thingy" "shiny" and "vibration dampener" I would have to choose the one that fits best: THINGY.
Bill
Quote from: UltimatePinto on September 13, 2006, 10:51:59 AM
Hi Jim,
On that aluminum Ford Race driveshaft, do you have a part number or availability? I suppose it's on the Ford Racing site?
Would it be the same one that I mentioned in the Jeg's catalog?
If the overall length is good, I would like to see about getting one.
Thanx for the info.
Al
You can also get them from Summit
Let me be a little more clear, I stalled my SVO many times because they used a taller 1st gear ratio and a larger turbo in the early days of the t-5 behind the 4 banger, after lowering 1st gear a bit in the later Turbocoupes and a smaller turbo problem solved, however, they changed the front bearing support due to the larger front bearing. The Jeg's catalog clearly says "fits v-8" but we all assume some times that our t-5 IS the same as the v-8 as I did. I now have a brand new 2 week old steel bearing retainer packed up to go back to Jeg's. My aluminum one was very slightly worn on one side only (wouldn't even snag your fingernail) , since I was doing a complete clutch job I was going to replace it too. Unfortunately I did my research on all this after I bought the parts and wondered why they didn't fit.
The Ford racing drive shaft is the one that fits 79- (93???) fox chassis. You might have to by a special u-joint for the rear which is available at Autozone and the part number is posted somewhere on the forum.
You may also polish your aluminum driveshaft to make it shiny, and reuse the factory yoke so you can still use the thingy. :lol:
I installed a Pinto u-joint on the fox-stang driveshaft; the caps the same size on the driveshaft side. The side of the u-joint that bolts to the pinion has larger caps. Yes, the fox one WILL bolt, but it WILL NOT be correct. The front ones are the same part.
Bill